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Does man have free will to choose salvation?

Hopeful 2 said:
Why disagree than agree ?
Why waste so much time typing when you agree with what I wrote ?

Unless, as you said and I agree with...we are reborn.
The change God worked in my life, by His gifts of repentance from sin, baptism into Christ, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, were awesome !
They changed everything about me...thanks be to God !
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Yes we do have to remain in the flesh we receive by Adam, nothing can change it but a New Birth, or being born again.
 
Hopeful 2 said:
When I was water baptized into Christ, my old man was destroyed, (Rom 6:4, Col 2:11): as well as receiving remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38, Acts 2:16)
While I was crucified with Christ, (Rom 6:3, Gal 5:24), and buried with Him; (Col 2:12), I was also raised with Him to walk in newness of life ! (Rom 6:4).
That new creature was quickened by the Holy Spirit. (Rom 8:11, Col 2:13)
Reborn !
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A person is passive in the New Birth, because they are dead. Did you do anything to be born physically ?
 
Hopeful 2 said:
I am not God, or more precisely...the Word, in the flesh.
As Paul wrote..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)
We have been gifted with all we need to..."walk as Jesus walked." (1 John 2:6)
I abide in Him !
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Well Jesus is God/Man keep that in mind
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Skin and bones have multiple definitions and are used as similes in lots of places.

Nope. It is indeed a reference to the likeness of "sinful flesh"

No, He had the likeness of sinful flesh.

No, as like Jesus, I have been (re)born of God.

Are your skin and bones sinful ?
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This is what scripture calls sinful flesh Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

We enter this world with sinful flesh, dead in sin
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Aren't you glad we don't have to remain in the "flesh" ?
That we can change for the better ?
That we can be reborn of God's seed, so we no longer need to walk in and after the "flesh" ?
I am !
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Man by nature in the flesh has no choice but to remain in the flesh, because in the flesh we are dead in sin, nothing a dead person can do. We are born dead to God, in the matters of salvation and spiritual things.
 
This one can get very deep huh. In Rev says about the beast all will worship or die that those whos names were written in the lambs book before the foundation of the world will not worship the beasts.

Now in the OT "choose this day whom you will server". That is our free will within this bubble. There is no other choice. That middle ground that "being on the fence" never came from God. He said I rather you were hot or cold. There is no middle ground as in any other free choice. Christ or not. All I post..I need to remember this is what I believe..
 
Bruce.Leiter said:
No, the Holy Spirit conceived him in Mary, so that he was sinless.
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Did Mary have a sin nature ?

Some factions of Christianity would say Mary did not have a sin nature , it gets complicated .

Of course my thoughts are no one has a sin nature but they do have a human nature .

The location of the sin nature seems to be quit elusive .
 
Dougcho said:
David was just affirming that he was born a sinner as is everyone else!
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When a baby rebels against his/her parents' authority,
technically he/she has broken one of the 10 Commandments.
The question obviously is:
Would the baby do this, if he/she didn't have a sin nature?
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Unless, as you said and I agree with...we are reborn.
The change God worked in my life, by His gifts of repentance from sin, baptism into Christ, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, were awesome !
They changed everything about me...thanks be to God !
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What do you mean by the gift of repentance?
 
hawkman said:
Is that really what David was affirming ? I think not .

Challenge for you Dougcho read out loud this story of David's mother at this link and see if anything is revealed to you as you read . Let me know .

Nitzevet, Mother of David The bold voice of silence
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Jewish tradition.

Read Psalm 51:5 in context

David is talking about his own sin not his mother.

The text does not lie.

Psa 51:1 For the choir director. A Psalm of David. When Nathan the prophet came to him, after he had gone in to Bathsheba. Be gracious to me, O God, according to Your lovingkindness; According to the abundance of Your compassion blot out my transgressions.
Psa 51:2 Wash me thoroughly from my iniquity And cleanse me from my sin.
Psa 51:3 For I know my transgressions, And my sin is ever before me.
Psa 51:4 Against You, You only, I have sinned And done what is evil in Your sight, So that You are justified when You speak And pure when You judge.
Psa 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me.
Psa 51:6 Behold, You delight in truth in the innermost being, And in the hidden part You will make me know wisdom.
Psa 51:7 Purify me with hyssop, and I shall be clean; Wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
Psa 51:8 Make me to hear joy and gladness, Let the bones which You have crushed rejoice.
Psa 51:9 Hide Your face from my sins And blot out all my iniquities.
Psa 51:10 Create in me a clean heart, O God, And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Psa 51:11 Do not cast me away from Your presence And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
Psa 51:12 Restore to me the joy of Your salvation And sustain me with a willing spirit.
 
brightfame52 said:
This is what scripture calls sinful flesh Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

We enter this world with sinful flesh, dead in sin
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As men can't commit a sin until several years after their birth, they cannot be born in sin.
It takes a sin, to make a man dead in sin.
We weren't born that way.
 
brightfame52 said:
Man by nature in the flesh has no choice but to remain in the flesh, because in the flesh we are dead in sin, nothing a dead person can do. We are born dead to God, in the matters of salvation and spiritual things.
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Thank God we can repent of sin, and be reborn of God's seed !
Thank God we can be washed of past sin by the blood of Christ so we can be pure/sanctified !
 
MisterE said:
What do you mean by the gift of repentance?
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God has given everyone on earth the ability to turn permanently from sin.
It is written..."When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life." (Acts 11:18)
Only the Jews had that ability before that
 
Hopeful 2 said:
Thank God the new birth/born again experience CAN change it !
It sure did for me, thanks be to God.
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Thats the only thing that can change it, but man plays no part in that, he is totally passive. Jesus said Jn 3:7

Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

The words born again are in the passive voice, man must be acted upon, this is true because before that occurs, man is dead. Infact being born again is also being resurrected from the dead, so man has no freewill to choose to be born again or resurrected from the dead.
 
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