Does man have free will to choose salvation?

[Hopeful 2]

In Spiritual death man loves darkness rather than light, he cant change it. Those who Love darkness rather than light dont and cant believe God, God is Light 1 Jn 1:5

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Man by nature hates the light Jn 3:19-20

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.

I thank God for allowing me to no longer be that kind of man.
I thank God for rebirth from God's perfect seed.

 

[brightfame52]

I praise and thank the Lord Jesus for allowing me to know you are wrong.
All man have access to repentance from sin, and rebirth from God's seed.
You don't have to keep the old man's nature.

Man by nature loves darkness rather than light, thats a condemnation, man by nature is dead and cant do anything about it.

 

[brightfame52]

I thank God for allowing me to no longer be that kind of man.
I thank God for rebirth from God's perfect seed.

Do you Thank God or yourself ? So you didnt have a freewill right ?

 

[electedbyHim]

Do you Thank God or yourself ? So you didnt have a freewill right ?

Awesome.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Man by nature loves darkness rather than light, thats a condemnation, man by nature is dead and cant do anything about it.

I disagree with your summation.
Man can do something about it.
He can repent of sin, and get baptized into Christ's death, in order to destroy the old man and its nature.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Do you Thank God or yourself ? So you didnt have a freewill right ?

I just wrote that I thanked God.
He is the one that gave me the choice of whether or not to be forgiven.

 

[brightfame52]

I disagree with your summation.
Man can do something about it.
He can repent of sin, and get baptized into Christ's death, in order to destroy the old man and its nature.

You disagree with Gods word,it is what it is, man naturally loves darkness rather than light. This is because by nature he is dead in sin and a slave to it. This doesnt mean man by nature cannot become moral and religious, and do good deeds, yet these things are only dead works to God and evil deeds when they are suppose to be pleasing to God . All of our righteousnesses are filthy rags by nature Isa 64 6

6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

 

[brightfame52]

Hopeful 2

He can repent of sin

False because he loves darkness !

 

[brightfame52]

I just wrote that I thanked God.
He is the one that gave me the choice of whether or not to be forgiven.

I know what you wrote, the proud pharisee also thanked God he wasn't like other men Lk 18:11

11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

And you dont have a choice not to love darkness, that's everyone by nature by God's choice and decree, he said man is dead because of his sin in Adam

 

[brightfame52]

Hopeful 2

What evil did Enoch do ?
Elijah ?
John the Baptist ?
Jesus ?
You have taken a generality and made it a blanket statement.
Did Zacchaeus, who was in the tree of Luke 19, change his "deeds" ?
Nobody is locked into their former natures.

Why did you mention Jesus ? He isn't your normal sinful man, He was and is God in the flesh, and His flesh wasn't sinful like ours, He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not sinful flesh Rom 8:3

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[KV-44-v1]

mediatrix

of all grace

Of ALL grace? Exaggeration.

and the throne of grace! Heb 4:16

No human has the ability to build your "throne of grace".

“Why is it that the mystery of the Incarnation is not realised without Mary’s consent?” asks St. Ireneus, and he answers:

God gives us our understanding. Fallible, finite, created humans do NOT. No dead people have to "consent".

Humans in Heaven don't have magic powers to affect people on earth. Sorry, but you can rely on that the RCC borrowed from Greek mythology in which little g gods affected earth and its inhabitants.

So much for that Special Authority TM, which originated from who? The RCC themselves!! "Trust me bro" if there ever was one!!

“Because God willed her to be the source of all graces.”

God is the Source of Grace.

 

[donadams]

Of ALL grace? Exaggeration.

No human has the ability to build your "throne of grace".

God gives us our understanding. Fallible, finite, created humans do NOT. No dead people have to "consent".

Humans in Heaven don't have magic powers to affect people on earth. Sorry, but you can rely on that the RCC borrowed from Greek mythology in which little g gods affected earth and its inhabitants.

So much for that Special Authority TM, which originated from who? The RCC themselves!! "Trust me bro" if there ever was one!!

God is the Source of Grace.

D

Of ALL grace? Exaggeration.

No human has the ability to build your "throne of grace".

God gives us our understanding. Fallible, finite, created humans do NOT. No dead people have to "consent".

Humans in Heaven don't have magic powers to affect people on earth. Sorry, but you can rely on that the RCC borrowed from Greek mythology in which little g gods affected earth and its inhabitants.

So much for that Special Authority TM, which originated from who? The RCC themselves!! "Trust me bro" if there ever was one!!

God is the Source of Grace.

Why am I surprised?

I did not say Mary was the source!

God is the source! Jn 1:16 Jn 10:10 Jn 14:6

God will that our salvation “Jesus Christ” come to us thru Mary!

This will does not change!
God’s gifts are without repentance!

Thks

 

[Hopeful 2]

You disagree with Gods word,

No, I disagree with your summation of God's word.
If we cannot change, why did God offer us the means of changing ?

it is what it is, man naturally loves darkness rather than light.

I am sure glad I am no longer "natural".
Since the destruction of my old man, I am a child of God.

This is because by nature he is dead in sin and a slave to it. This doesnt mean man by nature cannot become moral and religious, and do good deeds, yet these things are only dead works to God and evil deeds when they are suppose to be pleasing to God . All of our righteousnesses are filthy rags by nature Isa 64 6
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.

It isn't "my" righteousness that I have been enabled to do.
Now, I am dead to sin, instead of dead in sin !
Repentance from sin, and rebirth from God's seed, are available to everyone.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2


False because he loves darkness !

Not everyone is content to remain in that state.
I no longer loved darkness, and tried many ways to escape it, before trying Christ.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I know what you wrote, the proud pharisee also thanked God he wasn't like other men Lk 18:11
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.

And Jesus thanked God, when He broke the bread at the last supper.
So what is your point ?

And you dont have a choice not to love darkness, that's everyone by nature by God's choice and decree, he said man is dead because of his sin in Adam

I am so glad you are wrong.
Who was John talking about when he wrote..."But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7)
God provided the way out of darkness in the body of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Are you still walking in darkness ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2
Why did you mention Jesus ? He isn't your normal sinful man, He was and is God in the flesh, and His flesh wasn't sinful like ours, He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not sinful flesh Rom 8:3

Jesus had the same skin and bones we have.
It is written..." For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Heb 4:15)
Jesus didn't have anything we don't have.
No short cuts or 'leg-ups'.

For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Thanks for more proof of my point.

 

[brightfame52]

Hopeful 2

No, I disagree with your summation of God's word.

Im just witnessing the Truth, Jesus said this Jn 3:19

19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Thats a condemnation for sinning in Adam Rom 5:18

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

We are condemned in that nature of loving darkness, you are no exception

 

[brightfame52]

Not everyone is content to remain in that state.
I no longer loved darkness, and tried many ways to escape it, before trying Christ.

As long as you and I are a natural man we love darkness rather than light.

 

[brightfame52]

Hopeful 2

And Jesus thanked God, when He broke the bread at the last supper.

Uh in case you dont know, we ain't Jesus. You keep bringing Jesus down to the level of a sinful man, Jesus is God in the flesh, but we are not

 

[brightfame52]

Jesus had the same skin and bones we have.
It is written..." For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (Heb 4:15)
Jesus didn't have anything we don't have.
No short cuts or 'leg-ups'.

Thanks for more proof of my point.

Why did you mention Jesus ? He isn't your normal sinful man, He was and is God in the flesh, and His flesh wasn't sinful like ours, He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not sinful flesh Rom 8:3