Does man have free will to choose salvation?

[Dougcho]

I never committed a sin until I was 7.
How could I be "born in sin" ?
I thank God for the gift of repentance from sin, and rebirth,
after my old man was killed with Christ at my water baptism into Him and His death. (Gal 5:24)
You don't have to keep maintaining your evil nature !
You can be free of it !

Yes, the NT explains that you can be free of your sin nature
only by being born again with the Holy Spirit helping you.

Haven't you read in the OT and NT ...
David said he was born in sin.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2
Im just witnessing the Truth, Jesus said this Jn 3:19
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Thats a condemnation for sinning in Adam Rom 5:18

I agree with it totally, but there is a way to stop being 'of Adam'.
We don't have to remain children of Adam !

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
We are condemned in that nature of loving darkness, you are no exception

If men remain in the "flesh", they will perish.
If men repent of sin and get baptized into Christ, they will live eternally.

 

[Hopeful 2]

As long as you and I are a natural man we love darkness rather than light.

I am no longer a "natural man".
I have been reborn from God's seed, and am now a spiritual man.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2


Uh in case you dont know, we ain't Jesus.

I know, but I have the same Father as Jesus, since my rebirth.

You keep bringing Jesus down to the level of a sinful man, Jesus is God in the flesh, but we are not

Jesus is not ashamed to call some of us "brethren".
Jesus brought Himself down to the level of men who sinned.
By His conquering of the "flesh" at that level, we have been enabled to do as He did on earth.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Why did you mention Jesus ? He isn't your normal sinful man, He was and is God in the flesh, and His flesh wasn't sinful like ours, He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, not sinful flesh Rom 8:3

Flesh is just skin and bones.
There is nothing sinful about them.
Just as He didn't walk in or after the "fleshly minded" world, so too we can walk in and after the Spirit.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Yes, the NT explains that you can be free of your sin nature
only by being born again with the Holy Spirit helping you.

Thanks be to God !

Haven't you read in the OT and NT ...
David said he was born in sin.

I have read both, many times.
David's self-deprecating comment can't be taken literally.
What sin can a baby commit ?

 

[KV-44-v1]

No human has the ability to build your "throne of grace".

God gives us our understanding. Fallible, finite, created humans do NOT. No dead people have to "consent".

Humans in Heaven don't have magic powers to affect people on earth. Sorry, but you can rely on that the RCC borrowed from Greek mythology in which little g gods affected earth and its inhabitants.

So much for that Special Authority TM, which originated from who? The RCC themselves!!

W

Also, you havent addressed this part. Not surprised.

 

[brightfame52]

Hopeful 2

I agree with it totally, but there is a way to stop being 'of Adam'.
We don't have to remain children of Adam !

Yes we do have to remain in the flesh we receive by Adam, nothing can change it but a New Birth, or being born again. What we are by nature is final, and we love darkness rather than light Jn 3:19
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[brightfame52]

I am no longer a "natural man".
I have been reborn from God's seed, and am now a spiritual man.

How were you born again ?

 

[brightfame52]

I know, but I have the same Father as Jesus, since my rebirth.

Jesus is not ashamed to call some of us "brethren".
Jesus brought Himself down to the level of men who sinned.
By His conquering of the "flesh" at that level, we have been enabled to do as He did on earth.

Again you and I aren't Jesus, are you God in the flesh ?

 

[brightfame52]

Flesh is just skin and bones.
There is nothing sinful about them.
Just as He didn't walk in or after the "fleshly minded" world, so too we can walk in and after the Spirit.

There is what scripture calls sinful flesh Rom 8:3


For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Do you deny this reference to sinful flesh ? Did Jesus have this sinful flesh when He came in the flesh? Is your flesh sinful ?

 

[brightfame52]

Hopeful 2

If men remain in the "flesh", they will perish.
If men repent of sin and get baptized into Christ, they will live eternally.

Man by nature in the flesh has no choice but to remain in the flesh, because in the flesh we are dead in sin, nothing a dead person can do. We are born dead to God, in the matters of salvation and spiritual things.

 

[donadams]

No human has the ability to build your "throne of grace".

God gives us our understanding. Fallible, finite, created humans do NOT. No dead people have to "consent".

Humans in Heaven don't have magic powers to affect people on earth. Sorry, but you can rely on that the RCC borrowed from Greek mythology in which little g gods affected earth and its inhabitants.

So much for that Special Authority TM, which originated from who? The RCC themselves!!



Also, you havent addressed this part. Not surprised.

You right and I agree it is God’s work and God’s grace! Mary is the dispenser of all grace! Lk 1:28 “full of grace” God is the source Jn 1:16
Thks

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2
Yes we do have to remain in the flesh we receive by Adam, nothing can change it but a New Birth, or being born again.

Why disagree than agree ?
Why waste so much time typing when you agree with what I wrote ?

What we are by nature is final, and we love darkness rather than light Jn 3:19
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Unless, as you said and I agree with...we are reborn.
The change God worked in my life, by His gifts of repentance from sin, baptism into Christ, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, were awesome !
They changed everything about me...thanks be to God !

 

[Hopeful 2]

How were you born again ?

When I was water baptized into Christ, my old man was destroyed, (Rom 6:4, Col 2:11): as well as receiving remission of past sins. (Acts 2:38, Acts 2:16)
While I was crucified with Christ, (Rom 6:3, Gal 5:24), and buried with Him; (Col 2:12), I was also raised with Him to walk in newness of life ! (Rom 6:4).
That new creature was quickened by the Holy Spirit. (Rom 8:11, Col 2:13)
Reborn !

 

[Hopeful 2]

Again you and I aren't Jesus, are you God in the flesh ?

I am not God, or more precisely...the Word, in the flesh.
As Paul wrote..."I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me." (Gal 2:20)
We have been gifted with all we need to..."walk as Jesus walked." (1 John 2:6)
I abide in Him !

 

[Hopeful 2]

This is what scripture calls sinful flesh Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Skin and bones have multiple definitions and are used as similes in lots of places.

Do you deny this reference to sinful flesh ?

Nope. It is indeed a reference to the likeness of "sinful flesh"

Did Jesus have this sinful flesh when He came in the flesh?

No, He had the likeness of sinful flesh.

Is your flesh sinful ?

No, as like Jesus, I have been (re)born of God.

Are your skin and bones sinful ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2
Man by nature in the flesh has no choice but to remain in the flesh, because in the flesh we are dead in sin, nothing a dead person can do. We are born dead to God, in the matters of salvation and spiritual things.

Aren't you glad we don't have to remain in the "flesh" ?
That we can change for the better ?
That we can be reborn of God's seed, so we no longer need to walk in and after the "flesh" ?
I am !

 

[Bruce.Leiter]

If we are born in sin then Jesus was born in sin . Agree or disagree ?

No, the Holy Spirit conceived him in Mary, so that he was sinless.

 

[Hopeful 2]

No, the Holy Spirit conceived him in Mary, so that he was sinless.

Would Jesus have been sinful, without having committed any sins ?