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Does man have free will to choose salvation?

As I said, you do not understand what I believe.

When you read my explanation you try to put it in a context of what you already know. This is new.

What I said isn't said by others. It resolves the paradox of predestination and free will.

No one has done that before. So until you stop trying to make it Calvinist, or Arminiam, you won't understand it has elements of both.
What you have written (your beliefs( are very confusing.

Do you really blame me for not understanding you?

So your making your own doctrine based on Eisigesis.

I asked you before what the Biblical definition of free will is and you never stated that.

Does anyone really have free will?

One is either a slave to sin or a slave to Christ.
 
What you have written (your beliefs( are very confusing.

Do you really blame me for not understanding you?

So your making your own doctrine based on Eisigesis.

I asked you before what the Biblical definition of free will is and you never stated that.

Does anyone really have free will?

One is either a slave to sin or a slave to Christ.
As I said, you make no effort to understand what I believe. I have explained my belief about free will, often and repeatedly.

As you won't try to understand my belief, there is little profit in repeating the explanation.

 
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As I said, you make no effort to understand what I believe. I have explained my belief about free will, often and repeatedly.

As you won't try to understand my belief, there is little profit in repeating the explanation.
Because what you are posting is confusing.

You put the blame on me because I do not understand what you are trying to convey.

From post# 449
The children of the devil will act wickedly and do wicked things. Its who they are, but that is their free will choice. As for the "clueless", some of them will be saved, some will backslide and be lost. Once one of them is saved, they cannnot lose their salvation. They are equal to the Elect.
This says thats some will lose their salvation die to backsliding.

It also says that there others beside the elect who god will saved.

How is any of this Biblical.

Do you believe in reprobation?
 
Because what you are posting is confusing.

You put the blame on me because I do not understand what you are trying to convey.

From post# 449

This says thats some will lose their salvation die to backsliding.

It also says that there others beside the elect who god will saved.

How is any of this Biblical.

Do you believe in reprobation?
Can't you watch the video a couple of times? Is that too much to ask?

 
Can't you watch the video a couple of times? Is that too much to ask?

I did watch your video and found that it is not grounded in Scripture.

However...

In Christian theology, the tripartite view (trichotomy) posits that humanity consists of three distinct components: body, spirit, and soul. This perspective contrasts with the bipartite view (dichotomy), which considers soul and spirit as interchangeable terms for a single entity, the spiritual soul.

Your theology of the tripartite view consists of Elect, middlites and reprobate.

What made you decide to create a new doctrine?

Are you not adding to God's written word?
 
Hopeful 2

"You must be born again": sounds like something every man must do to be saved.

From Gospel writer,

(3) The Necessity of the New Birth - "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again" (Jno. 3:7). Regeneration is necessary because people are by nature totally depraved. Without the new birth, no one will be saved. Dei, the Greek word translated "must," indicates logical necessity. By the use of such a strong term, Jesus indicates that regeneration is essential, imperative, and absolutely necessary for salvation. It is a vital link in the chain of sovereign grace. Some Bible students have erroneously concluded, however, that because the word dei refers to logical necessity, it also expresses the idea of human responsibility. In other words, they think that Jesus is suggesting that Nicodemus take personal responsibility for his own new birth. Notice however, that Jesus did not tell Nicodemus to do anything in order to be born again. He did not instruct him to make a decision or even to repent and believe the gospel. "Ye must be born again" is simply a statement of fact, not a command to be obeyed. It is a declarative, not an imperative, sentence.
 
I did watch your video and found that it is not grounded in Scripture.

However...

In Christian theology, the tripartite view (trichotomy) posits that humanity consists of three distinct components: body, spirit, and soul. This perspective contrasts with the bipartite view (dichotomy), which considers soul and spirit as interchangeable terms for a single entity, the spiritual soul.

Your theology of the tripartite view consists of Elect, middlites and reprobate.

What made you decide to create a new doctrine?

Are you not adding to God's written word?
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Watch it a few more times, you'll get it eventually
 
Ummmm, ok.
Watch it and review my explanation in Post #449

Are you suggesting that the Sovereign God and Lord Jesus Christ chose to elect Alfred Persson to salvation before the foundations of the world because He knew you would love Him?

I am suggesting God knew this fallen world would prevent me from being saved, that is why He predestined I would not be lost.

This doesn't mean God foreknew to know, He is omniscient and already knew all things BEFORE He created:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. (Rom. 8:28-30 NKJ)


Our salvation is NOT based on "foreseen faith" or "foreseen love". The moment God pondered creating all things, everything that would happen because of that creation was known to Him, including TWO VERSIONS of us: 1)The unfallen version; 2)The fallen version we are now.

So in the Omniscience of God, when He contemplated creating, the "unfallen version" of us sprang into existence. As God looked upon them communicating knowledge of Himself and His love for them, 1)some responded by loving Him back; 2)Others just blinked their eyes clueless wondering what would happen next; 3)Others recoiled from Him, hating the light.

At this point in time these unfallen versions don't exist, and they never will because the fall happened. What came into existence is the fallen version of us we are today.

God selected the unfallen versions of those who loved Him, and specially knew them in His foreknowledge. Romans 11:2 implies God developed a special relationship with these in His foreknowledge.

This is separate from knowing how Satan would lead Adam to fall, and most of these would be lost in a fallen world.

God had a dilemma. He wanted to create so these who loved Him back, could come into existence but most of them would be eternally lost because of this fallen world. Therefore, to gurantee NONE of them be lost, He predestines them to be justified and glorified in Christ.

This predestintion is NOT based on what the fallen versions of them do now. Their salvation is according to God's good purpose and will. Their calling is by His grace, not their works or "foreseen faith" or "foreseen love". In the fallen realm many of these did not have any faith or love for God, they were destroyed by the fallen realm.

Only these lovers of God are predestined unto salvation, NOT the other two classes of people, the clueless and the wicked.

He does not predestine them for anything. They can choose to be saved in the fallen realm, and join the elect.

God's good purpose and will is that those who love God not be lost because this fallen realm's seductive power of sin, all things will work together for thier good, their ultimate salvation.

So God predestined me to be saved BECAUSE I would otherwise be lost. This is unmerited, I did nothing to deserve it. My calling was according to His good purpose and will I not be lost.

As the opportunity for salvation is equally available to everyone, whosoever believes in Jesus will be saved. God has not shown anyone partiality, everyone including the Elect are saved through faith in Christ. Everyone can be saved but won't be. The children of the devil will act wickedly and do wicked things. Its who they are, but that is their free will choice. As for the "clueless", some of them will be saved, some will backslide and be lost. Once one of them is saved, they cannnot lose their salvation. They are equal to the Elect.
 
Watch it and review my explanation in Post #449

Are you suggesting that the Sovereign God and Lord Jesus Christ chose to elect Alfred Persson to salvation before the foundations of the world because He knew you would love Him?

I am suggesting God knew this fallen world would prevent me from being saved, that is why He predestined I would not be lost.

This doesn't mean God foreknew to know, He is omniscient and already knew all things BEFORE He created:

28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose.
29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. (Rom. 8:28-30 NKJ)


Our salvation is NOT based on "foreseen faith" or "foreseen love". The moment God pondered creating all things, everything that would happen because of that creation was known to Him, including TWO VERSIONS of us: 1)The unfallen version; 2)The fallen version we are now.

So in the Omniscience of God, when He contemplated creating, the "unfallen version" of us sprang into existence. As God looked upon them communicating knowledge of Himself and His love for them, 1)some responded by loving Him back; 2)Others just blinked their eyes clueless wondering what would happen next; 3)Others recoiled from Him, hating the light.

At this point in time these unfallen versions don't exist, and they never will because the fall happened. What came into existence is the fallen version of us we are today.

God selected the unfallen versions of those who loved Him, and specially knew them in His foreknowledge. Romans 11:2 implies God developed a special relationship with these in His foreknowledge.

This is separate from knowing how Satan would lead Adam to fall, and most of these would be lost in a fallen world.

God had a dilemma. He wanted to create so these who loved Him back, could come into existence but most of them would be eternally lost because of this fallen world. Therefore, to gurantee NONE of them be lost, He predestines them to be justified and glorified in Christ.

This predestintion is NOT based on what the fallen versions of them do now. Their salvation is according to God's good purpose and will. Their calling is by His grace, not their works or "foreseen faith" or "foreseen love". In the fallen realm many of these did not have any faith or love for God, they were destroyed by the fallen realm.

Only these lovers of God are predestined unto salvation, NOT the other two classes of people, the clueless and the wicked.

He does not predestine them for anything. They can choose to be saved in the fallen realm, and join the elect.

God's good purpose and will is that those who love God not be lost because this fallen realm's seductive power of sin, all things will work together for thier good, their ultimate salvation.

So God predestined me to be saved BECAUSE I would otherwise be lost. This is unmerited, I did nothing to deserve it. My calling was according to His good purpose and will I not be lost.

As the opportunity for salvation is equally available to everyone, whosoever believes in Jesus will be saved. God has not shown anyone partiality, everyone including the Elect are saved through faith in Christ. Everyone can be saved but won't be. The children of the devil will act wickedly and do wicked things. Its who they are, but that is their free will choice. As for the "clueless", some of them will be saved, some will backslide and be lost. Once one of them is saved, they cannnot lose their salvation. They are equal to the Elect.

This is not Biblical
everyone including the Elect are saved through faith in Christ. Everyone can be saved but won't be.

Anyhow, your theology is very confusing.

Back in topic.

Does man have free will to choose salvation?​

 
This is not Biblical


Anyhow, your theology is very confusing.

Back in topic.

Does man have free will to choose salvation?​

We are done. I'll not answer endlessly answer the same questions. If you can't take the time to read my answers, I'll cease answering. There is no point to continuing, its not a discussion. Monologue away, be my guest.
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We are done. I'll not answer endlessly answer the same questions. If you can't take the time to read my answers, I'll cease answering. There is no point to continuing, its not a discussion. Monologue away, be my guest.
I not only read you replies, but I watched your video.

Grace and peace to you.
 
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