Does man have the free will choice to choose God?

[follower of Christ]

This is all true; but this was never my point.

Your point was CLEARLY that Revelation isnt Literal....and Ive refuted that assertion.

Show me where the Book of Revelation is literal?

Dude, its no wonder its nearly impossible not to laugh at your absurd posts.
I JUST presented a TON of Revelation where LITERAL beings are shown and apparenlty it just went right over your head.

How can you have a symbolic message without a sign. The whole book of revelation is a symbolic revelation of Jesus Christ; it is called the revelation of Jesus Christ or the the unveiling of Jesus Chrsit.

John was in spirit on the Lord's day. Read the first verse.

It doesnt MATTER that John was in the spirit....He would HAVE to be in order to see these LITERAL FUTURE EVENTS presented in Revelatoin ;)

 

[follower of Christ]

This has been explained to you before;

yes, we remeber that benoni has tried to perform a logical acrobatics acts and played plenty of semantics games to try to get away from the facts....but facts they remain...

what you need to show me is where does it say the Book of Revelation is literal;

No, I dont friend.
Any more than the bible must say that ITS literal....
I really dont think you see how absurd youre being trying to place these ridiculous demands on the texts, do you ?

 

[follower of Christ]

Any way you look at it Revelation is a spiritual and symbolic book and no where in God's Word does it say anything about being literal.

Good grief what an absurd statement.

You DO realize...well, given your posts Id think you dont realize....that your statement here must claim that EVERY HISTORICAL source on this PLANET for the entire history of mankind CANNOT BE literal because the author forget to STATE that it WAS literal.
EVERY writing every written, by YOUR insane reasoning, CANNOT BE literal because I doubt that MOST writers actually SAY 'THIS IS LITERAL'

The logic in your posts, benoni, is enough to make me need a serious headache prescription....

The ENTIRE BIBLE is subject to suspicion based on your faulty logic and reasoning



.

 

[Benoni]

absurd posts :crazy

I am the one quoting God's Word. You are the one calling God's Word an "absurd posts". If you do not like what God's Word is saying I cannot not help you. You can call it an "absurd posts" all day long it still only your bias opioion; with no scriptural backing. HOGWASH on your opinion. Praise God for HIS Spiritual Word. Sorry this has nothing to do with man's logic or yours....

 

[Benoni]

I already gave you chapter and verse; still you deny God's Word with your bias limited opinion. If I am wrong show me with God's Word. Far too much carnality out there in religion and your postings just prove this to be true.


Chapter and verse please :yes

Any way you look at it Revelation is a spiritual and symbolic book and no where in God's Word does it say anything about being literal.

Good grief what an absurd statement.

You DO realize...well, given your posts Id think you dont realize....that your statement here must claim that EVERY HISTORICAL source on this PLANET for the entire history of mankind CANNOT BE literal because the author forget to STATE that it WAS literal.
EVERY writing every written, by YOUR insane reasoning, CANNOT BE literal because I doubt that MOST writers actually SAY 'THIS IS LITERAL'

The logic in your posts, benoni, is enough to make me need a serious headache prescription....

 

[follower of Christ]

I am the one quoting God's Word.

Please.
I just quoted so much of Revelation to refute your absurdity that it had to be spit into THREE posts because of post limitations.
*I* have GIVEN you Gods word...

You are the one calling God's Word an "absurd posts".

If you do not like what God's Word is saying I cannot not help you.

You can call it an "absurd posts" all day long it still only your bias opioion;

with no scriptural backing.

(Almost spit my soda onto my keyboard with this one )

HOGWASH on your opinion.

Praise God for HIS Spiritual Word.

Must be nice to be able to just dismiss anything you dont like by saying its not literal ;)

Sorry this has nothing to do with man's logic or yours....

Sorry but youve been refuted....yet again today.
One would think that embarrassment would keep this from happening again...but Im betting it doesnt...

God bless

 

[follower of Christ]

I already gave you chapter and verse;

No...you RIPPED two verses out of context and tried to make them say what YOU wanted them to say....they didnt and dont.

still you deny God's Word with your bias limited opinion.

Sorry gent...Ive given you GODS word....HUGE amounts of it to PROVE that Revelation is literal .....it is a vision of LITERAL future events...

If I am wrong show me with God's Word.

MAN I need a bigger smiley for this one
You have been shown wrong benoni....you just dont want to admit it yet

Chapter and verse please :yes

Page back a click or two ;)

 

[follower of Christ]

Benoni.
We need to RETURN to the TOPIC.
Please present your case, I will respond/refute as necessary.

 

[Benoni]

You can quote every verse there is in The Book of Revelation and not one of them declares The Book of Revelation is literal. This is my point; and you do not like it because you are a literalist and know nothing about what is spiritual. You can say they are out of context; which you did; this is just more spin. Tell you what when you have something more then spin how about posting it. Mean while lets look at God's Word which is divine, not believers opinion which is bias.

 

[follower of Christ]

You can quote every verse there is in The Book of Revelation and not one of them declares The Book of Revelation is literal.

Again;
You DO realize...well, given your posts Id think you dont realize....that your statement here must claim that EVERY HISTORICAL source on this PLANET for the entire history of mankind CANNOT BE literal because the author forget to STATE that it WAS literal.
EVERY writing every written, by YOUR insane reasoning, CANNOT BE literal because I doubt that MOST writers actually SAY 'THIS IS LITERAL'

The logic in your posts, benoni, is enough to make me need a serious headache prescription....

The ENTIRE BIBLE is subject to suspicion based on your faulty logic and reasoning

 

[Benoni]

Wrong..

You have showed me nothing but beliver's bias opinion.


How can they be out of context? It is the first verse in the Book of Revelation; it is the context.

So are denying "John was in spirit on the Lord's day"; show me how that is out of context.

This verse declares John was in spirit; it does nor declare he was being literal; (that would be a lie) for nothing is written on John being literal, That is your false message not John's and not God's Word.

So you show me how these verse are out of context.

:D

see you tonight...

I already gave you chapter and verse;

No...you RIPPED two verses out of context and tried to make them say what YOU wanted them to say....they didnt and dont.

still you deny God's Word with your bias limited opinion.

Sorry gent...Ive given you GODS word....HUGE amounts of it to PROVE that Revelation is literal .....it is a vision of LITERAL future events...

[quote:1wfij1ig]If I am wrong show me with God's Word.

MAN I need a bigger smiley for this one
You have been shown wrong benoni....you just dont want to admit it yet

Chapter and verse please :yes

Page back a click or two ;)[/quote:1wfij1ig]

 

[follower of Christ]

Wrong..

You have showed me nothing but beliver's bias opinion.

Oh please...dont make me have to REpost 10 posts of scripture here again ...

Scriptural Evidence provided by FoC;
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479694
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479696
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479697
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479699
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479700

How can they be out of context?

The 1 Corinthians 15 passage was ABOUT the resurrection of the body....NOT Universal salvation.

It is the first verse in the Book of Revelation; it is the context.

It is a VISION of the FUTURE....a VERY LITERAL FUTURE...

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show His servants the things which must come to pass quickly. And He made it known by sending it through His angel to His servant John, who testified to the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, as many things as He saw, both the things that are and those that must happen after these.
(Revelation 1:1-2 EMTV)

So are denying "John was in spirit on the Lord's day"; show me how that is out of context.

Nothing but a game.
Being in the spirit does NOT dictate that the things John SAW were not literal.
That is YOUR insertion into the texts...yet again.

 

[Benoni]

Coming from a man who has who cannot acknowledge anything spiritual and rejects anything spiritual; who are you to even give an opinion on what is an what is not spiritual..

You keep posting your post that say nothing because you have nothing to say but your opinion.

Wrong..

You have showed me nothing but beliver's bias opinion.

Oh please...dont make me have to REpost 10 posts of scripture here again ...

Scriptural Evidence provided by FoC;
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479694
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479696
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479697
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479699
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=39779#p479700

[quote:2vwapjpi]How can they be out of context?

The 1 Corinthians 15 passage was ABOUT the resurrection of the body....NOT Universal salvation.

It is the first verse in the Book of Revelation; it is the context.

It is a VISION of the FUTURE....a VERY LITERAL FUTURE...

The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave to Him to show His servants the things which must come to pass quickly. And He made it known by sending it through His angel to His servant John, who testified to the word of God, and the testimony of Jesus Christ, as many things as He saw, both the things that are and those that must happen after these.
(Revelation 1:1-2 EMTV)

So are denying "John was in spirit on the Lord's day"; show me how that is out of context.

Nothing but a game.
Being in the spirit does NOT dictate that the things John SAW were not literal.
That is YOUR insertion into the texts...yet again.[/quote:2vwapjpi]

 

[follower of Christ]

Coming from a man who has who cannot acknowledge anything spiritual and rejects anything spiritual; who are you to even give an opinion on what is an what is not spiritual..

You keep posting your post that say nothing because you have nothing to say but your opinion.

yawn...

 

[Benoni]

What more can I say

Coming from a man who has who cannot acknowledge anything spiritual and rejects anything spiritual; who are you to even give an opinion on what is an what is not spiritual..

You keep posting your post that say nothing because you have nothing to say but your opinion.

yawn...

 

[Free]

This thread has more than run its course.