Does Satan still have access to heaven?

[Edward]

I think it would be wonderful if satan didn't exist.

:yes

Have you ever wondered how it would be if Adam & Eve never had sinned in the Garden Of Eden? Wow. We would be a much different world right now.

 

[Lewis]

The last time I was up there he dropped in for a minute or two.

 

[Edward]

I'm trying to remember...I think I read a scripture somewhere that led me to believe that, after the restrainer is taken away (The Holy Spirit) from the earth in the end times, that it is then that Satan will no longer have access even to the third heaven (or wherever it is that he's allowed to go speak to God).

Dangit. I (dislike) it whenever I can't remember something.

 

[JCitoL]

the devil never had an access to the so-called "third heaven" which is the "Holy City" of the true Saints(Rev 20:9) i.e. Their heavenly ministry, but it had an inner/domestic power in the heaven in the time before the New Testament, that is why God the Father has by the Lord Jesus Christ destroyed that devil's power about 2 millennia ago, and the original sin of eve and adam would not happen only in case there was no manifestation of the "darkness"(the wicked), because exactly the devil enticed eve and adam turning them into spiritual violators/offenders

Blessings

 

[reba]

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The last time I was up there he dropped in for a minute or two.

 

[Deborah13]

the devil never had an access to the so-called "third heaven" which is the "Holy City" of the true Saints(Rev 20:9) i.e. Their heavenly ministry, but it had an inner/domestic power in the heaven in the time before the New Testament, that is why God the Father has by the Lord Jesus Christ destroyed that devil's power about 2 millennia ago, and the original sin of eve and adam would not happen only in case there was no manifestation of the "darkness"(the wicked), because exactly the devil enticed eve and adam turning them into spiritual violators/offenders

Blessings

I followed you and agreed through "about 2 millennia ago", then you lost me.....could you rephrase please.
Thanks

 

[for_his_glory]

Satan moves to and fro on the earth and at one time had access to the throne of God to accuse the brethren day and night. Satan wasn't cast out of heaven at that time, he was cast out of the Throne of God , but yet free to continue to accuse the brethren like Job for instance.

Job 1:6 now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
(Sons of God are those fallen angels that also fell from Heaven along with Satan.)

Rev 12:9, 10 shows Satan had access to heaven as he had certain rights to approach God, but now through the resurrection of Christ who now has total power and authority over Satan has now been defeated from accusing the brethren before God as God does not see our past nor remembers it anymore. Satan is still ruler over the Earth as he is now only restricted roaming it looking to deceive the weaker of the brethren.
Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[for_his_glory]

Not the third heaven, where God dwells in His temple.

But the "second heaven", being the spirit realm below the third heaven.

I put second heaven in italics since I don't find the term second heaven in scripture, only the third heaven, where Paul was caught up.


JLB

JLB these are the tree heavens described in scripture:


First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.


Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).

The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.


Third Heaven - This is where God and the holy angels (and creatures) and spirits of just men dwell. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you.” (Psalm 2:4) The One enthroned in heaven laughs; The LORD scoffs at them.”

The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God.

 

[JLB]

JLB these are the tree heavens described in scripture:


First heaven - The firmament, Earths Atmosphere -which is the immediate sky, where the “fowls of the heaven” (Genesis 2:19; 7:3,23; Psalms 8:8, etc.), “the eagles of heaven” (Lamentations 4:19), it is our atmosphere that surrounds the earth.


Second Heaven - Outer Space, the starry heavens (Deuteronomy 17:3; Jeremiah 8:2; Matthew 24:29).

The second heaven is the starry heavens, where our atmosphere ends. It is the heavens in which the sun, moon, and stars are fixed in orbit.


Third Heaven - This is where God and the holy angels (and creatures) and spirits of just men dwell. It is called “The heaven of heavens,” (Deuteronomy 10:14; 1 Kings 8:27; Psalms 115:16; 148:4). (1Kings 8:27) - “The heavens, even the highest heaven, cannot contain you.” (Psalm 2:4) The One enthroned in heaven laughs; The LORD scoffs at them.”

The third heaven is beyond the space and stars. Where no man has seen by telescope. This heaven is the dwelling-place of God.

I would have to say the second heaven would be the spirit realm from the earth extending up to just under the third heaven.

The heavens or the first heavens would be the natural realm of the earth and extending up into outer space including all the natural planets and so forth.


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

I would have to say the second heaven would be the spirit realm from the earth extending up to just under the third heaven.

The heavens or the first heavens would be the natural realm of the earth and extending up into outer space including all the natural planets and so forth.


JLB

Scripture does explain each one and any other speculation is only assuming what we perceive them to be.

 

[JCitoL]

I followed you and agreed through "about 2 millennia ago", then you lost me.....could you rephrase please.
Thanks

the "darkness" is the negative side of the spiritual which is indefinitely existing, and the devil as well as the rest of the inanimate evil spirits are born exactly thereof, because it is their primary cause/source, while they are its manifestation - it manifests so, because such is its nature, but its manifestation can enter into the world only through the activity of the system of (the) human(666) religion/spirituality i.e. which is not of the true God

Blessings

 

[Kathi]

Their are many different ideas,interpretations and views of scripture on this site.I will continue to ask God to give me discernment and to show me the TRUTH.

 

[Deborah13]

the "darkness" is the negative side of the spiritual which is indefinitely existing, and the devil as well as the rest of the inanimate evil spirits are born exactly thereof, because it is their primary cause/source, while they are its manifestation - it manifests so, because such is its nature, but its manifestation can enter into the world only through the activity of the system of (the) human(666) religion/spirituality i.e. which is not of the true God

Blessings

Can't say I agree but thanks for the response.

Blessings

 

[JCitoL]

the "darkness" is not created by the true God, but it existed even before He started creating:

Genesis 1:1-2 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

here's how it is seen in the above passage that the "darkness" is not created by God, but it existed in the universe since before the creation

Blessings

 

[JLB]

the "darkness" is not created by the true God, but it existed even before He started creating:

Genesis 1:1-2 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

here's how it is seen in the above passage that the "darkness" is not created by God, but it existed in the universe since before the creation

Blessings

There is no telling how many millions of years there are between verse 1 and verse 2.

God created everything good. Verse 1
God did not create the earth without form and void.

Something happened that brought about the darkness and the formless void, like the rebellion of Lucifer who was on earth before man.

JLB

 

[ezrider]

To the original question: does Satan still have access to heaven and the throne of God? The short answer is no. But then again, he really has no need to, he has you convinced to do his work for him. Scripture tells us that Satan accused the brethren day and night before God, but after the resurrection of Christ and when he had ascended to his throne, there was no more place found for him and the accuser was cast out. Through the death and resurrection of Jesus we have become dead unto the law of sin and made alive in the image of and through the resurrection of Christ. Yet we do not live that way, we have chosen another. Instead of accepting the Grace of God and walking in the newness of spirit, they find when reading their Bibles a desire to make themselves more righteous before the Lord, but in doing so they place their trust in their own obedience to the law of sin. Satan can no longer accuse us of our sins under the law before the throne of God, but he has done a magnificent job of convincing the world that we must continue to confess our sins before the Lord day and night, and because we have access to the throne of God through Christ, before the Lord we become our own accusers for the sins we have committed according to the law. Yet the scripture tells us plainly that in doing so we crucify to ourselves Christ anew, and do put him to open shame. The Serpent is very subtle, and through a little self righteousness, a hint of pride and a desire to become obedient to God, he has been able to get you to do something that he himself could never do: and that is put Christ to open shame.

 

[JCitoL]

There is no telling how many millions of years there are between verse 1 and verse 2.

God created everything good. Verse 1
God did not create the earth without form and void.

Something happened that brought about the darkness and the formless void, like the rebellion of Lucifer who was on earth before man.

JLB

how many years does a man need to build a house?! - you know that it usually happens within a few months, taking into account that it can be done even for a few weeks, because the advanced builders can make big houses in a very short time, and if a human can do this, then for how much shorter time can God create a whole universal creation especially after He (as a system Administrator) has to provide all souls of the universe with abundant and everlasting life?!, so it is quite comprehensibly written that God made the world in six days, or how can you imagine that He hold the souls in vain?!

Blessings