Donating Sperm

[Nikki]

[It would be no different than giving my flesh and blood away.
Thats not Gods way.

I'm sure God didn't intend people to "give away" kids, but I totally respect people that choose to give up their flesh and blood by adoption (verses abortion). I know this thread isn't about adoption, but that comment could have been left out.

But remember, i'm only replying in the context of 'going to a sperm bank'

As far as adoption, i'm all for it if the family is a good one.
As far as abortion I said..

I think that God would be happy if we adopt, or find a young girl who is willing to sign her baby over to the right family, instead of abort it.

I'm sorry. I didn't see that last sentence. You need to remember that I'm blonde.
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[destiny]

[It would be no different than giving my flesh and blood away.
Thats not Gods way.

I'm sure God didn't intend people to "give away" kids, but I totally respect people that choose to give up their flesh and blood by adoption (verses abortion). I know this thread isn't about adoption, but that comment could have been left out.

But remember, i'm only replying in the context of 'going to a sperm bank'

As far as adoption, i'm all for it if the family is a good one.
As far as abortion I said..

I think that God would be happy if we adopt, or find a young girl who is willing to sign her baby over to the right family, instead of abort it.

I'm sorry. I didn't see that last sentence. You need to remember that I'm blonde.
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No problem Nikki...Lately I can't post much because i've dropped out of the ratrace and taken on a babysitting career (haha)...So i'll think to myself, "if I post i'm going to have to explain my reply at least 5 times, be misunderstood at least 7 times, do I have the time? I'm sure You know how it goes, LOL!)
Today I had some free time. :-D

Next?

 

[afton]

Is it immoral to donate your sperm? A bunch of my friends are going down to LA to sell their sperm, and i want to know if its against the bible.

Of course not, I also donate my sperm. I want to help lesbian
and infertile couples.

 

[thessalonian]

Onan spilled his seed on the ground and was punished for it. Sperm donation is immoral. It is a misuse of human sexuality which God has given as a gift in the covenant of marriage for the generation of new life out of the union of love between a husband and wife. Sperm donation and test tube babies are outside of God's creative license to us.

 

[afton]

Onan spilled his seed on the ground and was punished for it. Sperm donation is immoral. It is a misuse of human sexuality which God has given as a gift in the covenant of marriage for the generation of new life out of the union of love between a husband and wife. Sperm donation and test tube babies are outside of God's creative license to us.

Sperm donation is very moral, it is helping the lesbian and infertile couples.

 

[thessalonian]

The help lesbian couples need has nothing to do with sperm donation and everything to do with keeping their souls out of hell. Your post speaks for itself as to it's truth or error. It is obvious that you come from a relativistic point of view on morality, rather than biblical. In that framework who can say what is and isn't moral?

 

[afton]

The help lesbian couples need has nothing to do with sperm donation and everything to do with keeping their souls out of hell. Your post speaks for itself as to it's truth or error. It is obvious that you come from a relativistic point of view on morality, rather than biblical. In that framework who can say what is and isn't moral?

How about the infertile couples?

 

[thessalonian]

God has given them a trial in their lives. They must be faithful to him in their trial. Adoption is certainly an option for them and can provide the blessings of children that God promises in psalm 127 but sperm donation and test tube babies are not. I think it likely that God provided infertile couples precisely for those children who need parents through adoption. If only the million or so who have abortions each year would give their babies to loving parents who wish to adopt.

 

[peace4all]

Yes, god would ruin 1 persons life, to help another person, who had their lifes ruined, by other people.

Coudl god just NOT ruin peoples lives? and therfore ease this chain of people ruining peoples lives?

 

[Vic C.]

Onan spilled his seed on the ground and was punished for it. Sperm donation is immoral. It is a misuse of human sexuality which God has given as a gift in the covenant of marriage for the generation of new life out of the union of love between a husband and wife. Sperm donation and test tube babies are outside of God's creative license to us.

Sperm donation is very moral, it is helping the lesbian and infertile couples.

Just a freindly reminder afton, promoting homosexual activity is against our Terms of Service:

http://www.christianforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=9219

Thanks for understanding.

 

[thessalonian]

Yes, god would ruin 1 persons life, to help another person, who had their lifes ruined, by other people.

Coudl god just NOT ruin peoples lives? and therfore ease this chain of people ruining peoples lives?

God does not ruin people's lives. He wrote the manual on how we are to be happy. It's called scripture and proper use of it does not lead one to unhappiness. Quite the contrary it is the only way we can be happy. The only way that we can have fullfilling lives instead of lives enslaved by sin and error.

 

[ArtGuy]

Onan spilled his seed on the ground and was punished for it. Sperm donation is immoral.

Onan wasted his sperm. Donating it to infertile couples is hardly wasteful. Chances are it's far less wasteful than your average bout of sex between spouses.

 

[thessalonian]

Onan spilled his seed on the ground and was punished for it. Sperm donation is immoral.

Onan wasted his sperm. Donating it to infertile couples is hardly wasteful. Chances are it's far less wasteful than your average bout of sex between spouses.

Spoken like a true humanist hedonist. The point is that Onan used his sexual organs outside the bounds that God has provided for us. Ever heard the phrase, the end does not justify the means. It applies in this case. What couples do, whether moral or immoral has no bearing on the question.

 

[ArtGuy]

Onan spilled his seed on the ground and was punished for it. Sperm donation is immoral.

Onan wasted his sperm. Donating it to infertile couples is hardly wasteful. Chances are it's far less wasteful than your average bout of sex between spouses.

Spoken like a true humanist hedonist.

Laughably mistaken insult duly noted.

The point is that Onan used his sexual organs outside the bounds that God has provided for us.

Your Bible must be a lot better annotated than mine, because mine just says that Onan was killed for letting his seed spill on the ground rather than knock up his brother's wife. It doesn't say he was killed for providing his sperm to another person in order that they raise a child. At any rate, that passage is generally interpreted by learned scholars as a decree against coitus interruptus. I'm not sure that passage, in and of itself, can be used to glean any information regarding sperm donors without a hefty dose of logic-torturing.

Of course, only a humanist hedonist would dare try to figure out the appropriate meaning of that passage.

 

[SputnikBoy]

I'm with you on this issue, Artguy. In fact I've become absolutely amazed in recent times - thanks to the forum - how one or two misunderstood texts from the Bible are the basis for much bigotry and fanaticism. Several years ago I was pretty well 'on fire' (excuse the rhetoric) but these days I'm seriously reconsidering whether or not this kind of 'take' on Christianity is for me at all.

 

[Sothenes]

Onan spilled his seed on the ground and was punished for it. Sperm donation is immoral. It is a misuse of human sexuality which God has given as a gift in the covenant of marriage for the generation of new life out of the union of love between a husband and wife. Sperm donation and test tube babies are outside of God's creative license to us.

Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Gen 38:8 And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

A sperm may be part of my flesh but I have beloved Christian friends who are trying to have children and can't for some reason and if they asked me for a clinical donation, I suppose my wife might say,'yes' to them and I wouldn't have a problem with their request because of my understanding of the above two scriptures and since my wife and I could get the sperm without sinning. If I donated the sperm to my Christian brother and sister, they would take care of the child in the Lord but there are some unresolved ethical questions that scripture would be silent on. Is Genesis 38:8 the design of God to raise up seed to your brother? You really have to be careful on how you answer the question because you would negate other scriptures in saying that donation is entirely wrong. If I donated sperm to my Christian friends, there would have to be assurances that they would raise the child in the Lord and that we were in their legal Will for adoption of the children in case anything happened to the parents.

 

[Sothenes]

[It would be no different than giving my flesh and blood away.
Thats not Gods way.

I'm sure God didn't intend people to "give away" kids, but I totally respect people that choose to give up their flesh and blood by adoption (verses abortion). I know this thread isn't about adoption, but that comment could have been left out.

John 19:26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

 

[thessalonian]

And confusion reigns on this thread as well. Everybody thinks they are right and argue and disagree and rationalize and even try to use scripture to defend there various positions. You would think that Jesus would have left a way to know all these questions. The Bible alone doesn't do it. Sothenense do you have a scripture for the masturbation thread that is clear? I know that one is closed so let's not go down that road. But the point is that on moral issues scripture alone does not work. Of course this board proves that Scripture alone does not work from a doctrinal standpoint either.

 

[Sothenes]

Sothenense do you have a scripture for the masturbation thread that is clear? I know that one is closed so let's not go down that road. But the point is that on moral issues scripture alone does not work. Of course this board proves that Scripture alone does not work from a doctrinal standpoint either.

Sperm can be gotten from natural means without what you are talking about.

Don't forget that whispering doctrine down a line can be corrupted and misinterpreted by popes just as well as humans trying to interpret what God already said in His word.

 

[Vic C.]

Sperm can be gotten from natural means without what you are talking about.

Sothenes does have a point:

Who can benefit from ICSI?

Most routine IVF procedures require at least 500,000 sperm per egg, says Paul Turek, MD, director of the male reproductive laboratory at the University of California at San Francisco. But many infertile men don't have that much, he adds.

That's why ICSI is often used when a man has a low sperm count or sperm with poor motility. When a man has a low sperm count because of a damaged or missing vas deferens, the pair of tubes that carries sperm from the testes to the penis, ICSI can be used to extract sperm. Men who have an irreversible vasectomy, and even men who were considered sterile after cancer treatment are prime candidates for ICSI.

"ICSI allows sperm that haven't been ejaculated to be used for fertilization," Turek says.

Many couples now choose the procedure simply because they believe it improves their chances for a successful IVF, especially when there are a limited number of a woman's eggs available.

http://www.ahealthyme.com/topic/ICSI