Double Prosperity

[reba]

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Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Pro 16:19 Better it is to be of an humble spirit with the lowly, than to divide the spoil with the proud.


Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost

 

[Tina]

The title of this thread reminds me of burger ....


Where I live, McDonald's offers Prosperity burger and Double Prosperity burger ..... :D

Ooops! ...... totopic

 

[Kidron]

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How do we know this?


Because poverty is a work of the devil according to John 10:10, and Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.
So, its not possible for Jesus/God to create the very situation that they came to destroy.
That would be "house fighting against itself".
Consider that Jesus also said he "came to give life that that more abundantly" and poverty is not abundant life.
Also, Romans 8:32 describes what God gives us along with his Son's pardon, which is "things", and this is to be interpreted with Tim 6:17....




Not Biblical. Nowhere in the Scriptures are we promised material abundance in this present world. Even if we are blessed with material abundance, we are obliged to give it away. So there really is no case to support this idea that a believer should be in a state of material abundance.


We are promised blessing both spiritual and material as our inheritance according to Deut 28:1-13.
This is based on Romans 4:11
I can give you many many verses that speak about abundance, blessing, etc., and its a part of our Inheritance , its a part of our blessing.
Its FOR the believer the justified.
For example....Proverbs 13:22 tells you that the WEALTH of the sinner, is laid up for the just.
Deut 8:18 tells you that its the LORD who gives YOU power to get WEALTH.
So, wealth, is also, "riches in Glory"...Philip, 4:19, as this is GOD's WEALTH....
Thus the issue isnt that the Bible is not filled with "abundance", and "riches", and "Things" and "blessings" for the child of God, ..the problem is a poverty gospel mentality that some people use to interpret the scriptures, which causes them to wrongly interpreted the scriptures.
And you are aware of this scripture?
"Jesus became poor that you through his poverty might become "rich".
So, you see that Jesus was rich, as he lost this to become poor.
And the word "rich" here......go and do a bible translation comparison.
You'll find the word is "rich", in most of them.
And by "rich" this is not just material gain for the ministry, it is also spiritual gain that Christ redeemed us to have.
Being a Son of God, a joint heir of Christ, is the ULTIMATE RICHES he came to give to us..

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[Kidron]

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The Bible teaches that "lack" is not an experience for the Christian???

Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.

Yes, deny your will and be obedient to his.
It says to deny YOURSELF .......as in YOUR WILL.
Dont confuse this with denying yourself HEALTH or BLESSINGS.



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Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.

Matthew 19:29 "And every one that has forsaken houses, or brothers, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundred times, and shall inherit everlasting life."
Do, you see that "shall receive a hundred times"....that is HERE on EARTH.

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And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one's life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”



God shall supply all your needs according to his riches in Glory" Phil 4:19



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Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal




2nd Corin 8:9...." For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich."

Deut 8:18 '".But you shall remember the LORD your God: for it is he that gives you power to get wealth, that he may establish his covenant which he swore to your fathers, as it is this day.

John 10:10 "The thief comes not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.''

Romans 8:32.."He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?"





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But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?


Absolutely......
U are to take the blessings of God and be a channel.
This is what ive explained over and over.



Now let's be clear: you cannot hang on to your wealth while your brother is in need, and still claim that you have not closed your heart against him. Actions are what matters.


Fortunately for you, ive not said anything about "hanging onto wealth", so lets be clear about that....

And also, if you dont take care of your family with your blessings, material gain, wealth, the bible says you are worse then a heretic....

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[Kidron]

I suggest you are trying to have something "both ways" that you simply cannot.

From this and other posts of yours, it appears you are trying to use the old "its OK that I am wealthy because I use that wealth for ministry" line of reasoning.

No, thats just the way some here read it.
The fact is, this post is mainly about our position in Christ which gains us the divine gain that God wants us to have.
And yes, im very clear to emphasize that we are channels for the work of God to flow through.
We are to reflect the life of God, the light of God, the will of God, and the abundance of God.[

However, in a world where people are in want, the person who is serious about "ministry" will be giving away their wealth.

Well, to begin with, all wealth a believer has is prosperity.
This wealth includes,..... salvation, eternal life, Spiritual gifts, health, and material gain that is both used for the personal life as well as the ministry. (Philip 4:19)
God understands we have to eat, have to have a roof over our heads, have to have clothes for our kids, and so forth.
So, all that he gives, is our to use, but its always understood that it belongs to the giver of ALL good things.

The key point is this: Yes, it may well be God's desire to bless Christians "materially". But, and this is really important, if that money is really being used for ministry, you will not have any of the following:

1. A $ 50,000 car;
2. A $ 1,000,000 house;
3. A vacation in Hawaii every winter;
4. A $ 10,000 diamond ring;
5. Expensive clothing;
6. etc., etc.

Its not up to me to decide how a person uses the personal material wealth that God gives.
That is between them and their Lord.
I recall that a certain famous Christian musician bought all the Beatles CDs for his 12 year old daughter.
Now, i would not do that, as i dont think this is right.
However, that is not my call, that is the decision of the person.

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[reba]

Tina :toofunny

 

[Kidron]

I see no Biblical evidence for this.

Yes, Jesus is healing the world.


Thats right.
One at a time......using us.......as "Christ in us", is the means, and Christ through us, is the method.



This text settles the issue - the kingdom is here, Jesus is ruling, but He has not yet fully defeated all enemies. And so, sadly, even the most faithful believers will still get sick and die.

The kingdom is in you.,and Christ is ruling through you.
This means you have the authority he has., the exact same.
Soon, he will rapture you, and following that, you will return to rule and reign with him.
Currently, he is doing the very same work through us as he was doing while he was here, as its Christ in us who still heals, blesses, restores, saves, etc.

I suggest you are taking the Biblical theme of the healing of the world (a correct idea) and seeing it is as applicable and a finished work in the setting of each person's life. I do not think the Bible teaches this - the healing is a cosmic healing is taking place slowly over time. No one person, this side of Jesus' returning to defeat the last enemy - death - is promised freedom from death and sickness.


The same Jesus from 2000 years ago is operating exactly the same now, as he did then......however, as of now, he uses us to do his work and his will....
And regarding health, well, health is a part of Salvation, (a part of the stripes he bore "by his stripes you WERE healed:.. and a genuine part of the inheritance given to us based on the promise given to Abraham.
This means we have rights, in the Kingdom of God, as we are no longer just people walking around on the earth, but we have been transitioned into the Kingdom of Light, and in this Kingdom, perfect health and whether its for all, is not even open to debate.
Its a fact, and the reason it is, is because God's Kingdom has no sickness or poverty in it, and you are in it.
So, to come to this revelation, is all that is necessary to understand why health, wholeness, prosperity, and "riches in Glory", are yours by right of Sonship, as you are a "joint heir" with Christ and you have what he has, and sickness isnt what he has, nor is it what we are ever to claim is a part of our current position in God's family.

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[Kidron]

Thank you, that explains perfectly why all those Christians in Africa are suffering. Stupid me, I was wasting my time fundraising for them to build wells and buy farm equipment and livestock. How silly of me; all I need to do is leave them alone so they can "reflect" their lifestyles after God without me needing to lift a finger. How convenient! Clearly I can now buy that Ferrari I've always wanted. Praises all around! Never before has it been so easy for a rich man to enter the Gates of Heaven.

Yes, its very easy for anyone to enter the Kingdom of heaven.
Lucky for us that Christ did all the heavy lifting.
And regarding your sarcasm.....well, Africa is a place of dark demonic activity, and in places like this, the fight between light and darkness, is clearly shown by the amount of sickness and poverty you find.
Whenever you see this, you have to realize that Satan has immense strongholds there, and thus, the situation you are speaking about.
If you compare this to say, the USA, or to any country in history who honored the Jews, and lived a principled life for God regarding the scriptures, you will find that his country was blessed beyond measure.
See the USA for an example, or some of the formerly prosperous Euro nations that at one time were mostly Christian.
When they decided to remove God from their understanding, and turn on the Jew, then he removed his hand of blessing and they became 3rd or 4th world countries.
And countries that never have named the name of Christ as their Headship, such as India, still remain in darkness, poverty, and sickness.
You've probably noticed this.
God blesses a nation with extreme prosperity if they are his, but once they turn from his authority and his principles and his Word, then he takes it away and they decay and rot.
So, maybe God will use you to go into such darkness and use your Authority as a Child of Light to make an impact on his behalf.
If he does, be sure to give him all the glory for what he is accomplishing through you, and remember that you have access to all God's "riches in Glory", because you are entitled to his heavenly blessing, because of your position as a "joint heir", "in Christ"...




K

 

[jasoncran]

@kidron then there should be plenty of poor and suffering american christians as there a plenty of demonic activity in florida, washington, california, lousiana.

 

[Kidron]

There is no more sinister message than that of the WOF movement.

Actually, if you try to teach a child of God that sickness and poverty are his inheritance and should be his lifestyle, you are teaching a message that is sinister in the extreme.
As a matter of fact, if it is the Lord who gives you power to get wealth, (Deut 8:18), then to deny that this is how a Christian gets it, = is quite a sinister message.
Imagine Jesus taking your stripes so that you were healed, then someone coming along later, claiming to believe the bible, then contradicts the work Jesus did on the cross by telling you that you have no right to health based on what Jesus did on the Cross..
This is truly about as "sinister" as it gets..
Almost..

Imagine that in John 10:10, u are told that the works of the devil, that is to say his ministry and his deeds = are to make you sick, steal all you have, and kill you, and Jesus says in the same verse that he came to STOP this from happening.......to end it.
Then, some Christian comes along or some Christian denomination comes along who wants to convince you that the works of the devil that Jesus said he came to destroy.......they actually openly attribute to Jesus.
Talk about sinister and twisted and deceived and Satanic.
It doesn't really get any worse then to blame Jesus for what the Devil does that Jesus said he came to "destroy".

A conversation with one of those types would sound like this..

"well, i know that Jesus said he came to destroy the works of the devil, and that the works of the devil , (John 10:10) according to Jesus are to kill you, steal from you, and destroy you,.....I know it says that....and i know that Jesus never ever made anyone sick according to the scriptures......I know that.....and i know that Jesus said that if you've seen him you've seen the Father...and i know that Jesus said that he only DID what he SAW the Father do, AND according to the entire New Testament all he did was heal heal heal heal and restore and bless........I know that.........BUT,........what I'M saying is that if you get sick, its probably because Jesus wants you sick so that you can be a better Christian".

 

[Drew]

If the Bible is not "timeless truths" then why follow it? With that thinking we can just do away with the Bible altogether and say it has no value to us now.

No. Just because we recognize that the Bible is an evolving story does not mean that it has no value for us. We are called to "pick up the evolving narrative" and faithfully complete it.

But the Biblical case is clear: things changed profoundly at the cross - the Law of Moses was set aside, the temple was done away with, the curse was reversed.

And so on.

I did not intend to suggest that there are no eternal truths in the scriptures but rather that things have changed, especially at the cross, and we therefore need to be careful when we invoke Old Testament texts.

 

[Drew]

What Jesus changed through His death, burial, and resurrection was the fulfillment of the atoning sacrifice for sin. He fulfilled that part of the law that is the Mosaic covenant. He also changed who was in charge of death since He snatched the keys away. Nothing else has changed.

Lots of things changed:

1. The kingdom of God was initiated;

2. The Law of Moses was retired (and the temple became obsolete);

3. The special role of the nation of Israel came to an end;

4. The curse was reversed and all creation, although still damaged, is in proces of being healed.

 

[Danus]

Actually, if you try to teach a child of God that sickness and poverty are his inheritance and should be his lifestyle, you are teaching a message that is sinister in the extreme.
As a matter of fact, if it is the Lord who gives you power to get wealth, (Deut 8:18), then to deny that this is how a Christian gets it, = is quite a sinister message.
Imagine Jesus taking your stripes so that you were healed, then someone coming along later, claiming to believe the bible, then contradicts the work Jesus did on the cross by telling you that you have no right to health based on what Jesus did on the Cross..
This is truly about as "sinister" as it gets..
Almost..

Imagine that in John 10:10, u are told that the works of the devil, that is to say his ministry and his deeds = are to make you sick, steal all you have, and kill you, and Jesus says in the same verse that he came to STOP this from happening.......to end it.
Then, some Christian comes along or some Christian denomination comes along who wants to convince you that the works of the devil that Jesus said he came to destroy.......they actually openly attribute to Jesus.
Talk about sinister and twisted and deceived and Satanic.
It doesn't really get any worse then to blame Jesus for what the Devil does that Jesus said he came to "destroy".

A conversation with one of those types would sound like this..

"well, i know that Jesus said he came to destroy the works of the devil, and that the works of the devil , (John 10:10) according to Jesus are to kill you, steal from you, and destroy you,.....I know it says that....and i know that Jesus never ever made anyone sick according to the scriptures......I know that.....and i know that Jesus said that if you've seen him you've seen the Father...and i know that Jesus said that he only DID what he SAW the Father do, AND according to the entire New Testament all he did was heal heal heal heal and restore and bless........I know that.........BUT,........what I'M saying is that if you get sick, its probably because Jesus wants you sick so that you can be a better Christian".

None of this you've said here really has anything to do with following Christ or knowing God's salvation for one's life.

The fact is, you may have a lot money, or great health, or you may not and it does not matter. Salvation is not about you, or how comfortable you are, or how long you live. It's something from God to you, not from you to God. God is not there to serve you, YOU are to serve him and in so doing you have your hope, your joy, your peace, and you have love. That is IT! that's your blessing and that eternal is where you will find your health, wealth and prosperity. That is real faith and that is God's gift to you, not something you conger up on your own from within yourself. Chew on this statement; You are not in charge of your life, and you do not call the shots. You may think you do, but you don't. Only God decides what will be. Our decisions are but that of a rat in a maze.

The WOF disagrees and has people chasing worldly things, with no understanding of spiritual things. You will not hear about repentance and salvation on TBN or any of those WOF preachers. All they ever talk about is what God will do for you if you have faith and send them money. They are crooks, and they are lost, and they are unbiblical in there teaching. It's obvious to many, but not to all.

The fact is, there are times when God does not "Bless" people in the manner to which they "think" they should be blessed, but the saved are blessed non the less. If they miss God's blessings it's not God's fault.

Your theology leaves out critical understanding of the divine providence of God., but then again so does the condition of the unsaved, the unrepentant. This is why it is difficult to explain the failings of the WOF movement to the lost, but it is clear to the saved.

The good news to those who know and love God; who are saved in a true relationship with God, we don't have to defend the truth as much as we often think we do. We can rest in the assurance that the gospel defends itself to those who are to be saved by it. So, when we speak out against false teachings, like WOF, and we are to do that, we need not be discouraged in thinking it falls on deaf ears.

 

[CalledToServe]

No. Just because we recognize that the Bible is an evolving story does not mean that it has no value for us. We are called to "pick up the evolving narrative" and faithfully complete it.

But the Biblical case is clear: things changed profoundly at the cross - the Law of Moses was set aside, the temple was done away with, the curse was reversed.

And so on.

I did not intend to suggest that there are no eternal truths in the scriptures but rather that things have changed, especially at the cross, and we therefore need to be careful when we invoke Old Testament texts.

Things have changed only in regards to the covenants, but the rest of it like Proverbs etc... are very much valid today as they were when they were first written.

 

[CalledToServe]

Lots of things changed:

1. The kingdom of God was initiated;

2. The Law of Moses was retired (and the temple became obsolete);

3. The special role of the nation of Israel came to an end;

4. The curse was reversed and all creation, although still damaged, is in proces of being healed.

1. The kingdom of God was initiated the moment that Adam and Eve were created. However, at the death, burial, and resurrection of the Messiah God reconciled Himself to us leading to us having a much closer walk with God then before.

2. Mosaic law was not retired. Only the sacrificial system and ceremonial law was fulfilled. The rest of the Mosaic law is still very much in force. You do realize and understand that Mosaic law is broken into two sections: ceremonial law and social/moral law. Are you saying that we can now disrespect our parents, have more than one God, can partake of idolatry, not show mercy to others, not keep the Sabbath, can use the Lord's name in vain, murder, steal, commit adultery, lie about another person, and coveting what others own?

3. If you believe that then you will have to account for Israel still being God's chosen people and the fact that many of the prophecies from the Tanakh have yet to be fulfilled. Those prophecies can only be fulfilled by Israel.

4. The curse was not reversed. It's still there for those that do not have Jesus as their Lord and savior. People that are not saved will still suffer spiritual death. People that are saved will not suffer spiritual death ie the complete divorce of man from God.

 

[Free]

1. The kingdom of God was initiated the moment that Adam and Eve were created. However, at the death, burial, and resurrection of the Messiah God reconciled Himself to us leading to us having a much closer walk with God then before.

Gen 3 then the ministry of Jesus, his death and resurrection.

2. Mosaic law was not retired. Only the sacrificial system and ceremonial law was fulfilled. The rest of the Mosaic law is still very much in force. You do realize and understand that Mosaic law is broken into two sections: ceremonial law and social/moral law. Are you saying that we can now disrespect our parents, have more than one God, can partake of idolatry, not show mercy to others, not keep the Sabbath, can use the Lord's name in vain, murder, steal, commit adultery, lie about another person, and coveting what others own?

The entire Mosaic Law is retired. It served its purpose. Try Galatians to start. If we are under the Law and break a part of it, we are guilty of breaking all of it.

3. If you believe that then you will have to account for Israel still being God's chosen people and the fact that many of the prophecies from the Tanakh have yet to be fulfilled. Those prophecies can only be fulfilled by Israel.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, slave nor free (Gal 3:28).

4. The curse was not reversed. It's still there for those that do not have Jesus as their Lord and savior. People that are not saved will still suffer spiritual death. People that are saved will not suffer spiritual death ie the complete divorce of man from God.

That does not mean the curse was not reversed. All of creation is in the process of being redeemed. The curse does not bring about redemption.

 

[CalledToServe]

Gen 3 then the ministry of Jesus, his death and resurrection.

Interesting starting point and ending point. Unfortunately, scripture doesn't support it. The kingdom of God was created the moment He created everything. Darn that free will with Adam and Eve's choice to eat the fruit that caused humans to be separated from God.

The entire Mosaic Law is retired. It served its purpose. Try Galatians to start. If we are under the Law and break a part of it, we are guilty of breaking all of it.

Okay so you are saying that we can now worship other gods, perform idolatry, adultery, murder, stealing, coveting, breaking the Sabbath, and the rest of the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments are part of Mosaic Law under the social/moral law. This is why as Christians we need to know what Paul and the Apostles are talking about when it comes to the law. Paul says in Romans that the law is bad and in a different chapter he says that the law is good. He's talking about the two different types of law that makes up Mosaic Law. It is evenly divided between ceremonial/worship and moral/social law.

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, male nor female, slave nor free (Gal 3:28).

Paul is referring to the ceremonial law not the moral/social law. I would like for you to reference the scripture where Jesus retired the law using exactly those words. I can guarantee you that it's not anywhere in the Bible. Christ said it Himself that He fulfilled the ceremonial law. There is a difference between fulfillment and retiring. Nice of you to quote scripture out of context. The full context of the scripture is Paul talking to the Church of Galatia about how there was a split between the Jewish and Gentile members of the church in regards to ceremonial law as well as them being under two different covenants. Paul makes it clear that through the blood of Jesus Christ that there are neither Jews nor Gentiles in the Body of Christ. It does not talk about Israel no longer being the chosen people. If that was the case then why all of the prophecies about Israel in the Book of Revelation? John acknowledges in Revelation that Israel is still the chosen people of God.

Also, Galatians 3 in its entirety contradicts your belief that Christ retired the law. Paul states that the covenant given to Abraham is still in effect and came to fulfillment by faith in Jesus Christ.

That does not mean the curse was not reversed. All of creation is in the process of being redeemed. The curse does not bring about redemption.

No, the redemption happens when Christ comes again as per Revelation and the Gospels talking about His second coming instituting final judgment. Before then the curse is still in effect up until final judgment. You know how I know this? Book of Revelation says it in chapter 22.

 

[Kidron]

"The poor are blessed, for the Kingdom of God is theirs."

Proverbs 10:15 ..."The rich man's wealth is his strong city: the destruction of the poor is their poverty.".

You know, Jesus said you will always have the poor with you.
But he never said that poverty was the will of God for any child of God.
And in fact, as its the Lord who gives you power to get wealth (Deut 8:18), and as Jesus said he came to destroy the works of the devil, (poverty, death, destruction) John 10:10), and as Jesus said he came to give you more abundant life,(John 10:10) ...., then its an unfortunate misread of the bible to constantly attempt to ignore "riches in "Glory", and "all these things shall be added to you", while trying to teach that poverty is some type of spiritual blessing and that Jesus is the author of poverty.
He isn't,....and as a matter of fact he became POOR, so that through his poverty (2nd Corin 8:9) we might become rich.
So, as God is not broke, and as Jesus became poor, we see that the state of prosperity that God dwells within explains why New Jerusalem is described the way its described.
Have you read about New Jerusalem?
Have you considered the scripture that says "in my Father's house are many Mansions"?
Do you know why the term Mansion is used and not the term shack?
Why dont you know the answer to this?

Prosperity, is not just money, but it is also money.
Prosperity is Salvation, and eternal life, as well as material gain.
Prosperity, bible prosperity, is not just Spiritual gifts, but its "riches in Glory".
And our right to access all that God has, all the God is, and all that God can do, is because we are his SONS, and as Sons, we have rights within the Kingdom of God, and within the family of God.
These "rights", include his blessings, and his blessings are not just spiritual, and they are available to every obedient child of God.
These blessings are given to bless spiritually, and they are also materially given to finance the ministry that you are called to complete.
You are not to hoard the blessings, and you are not to waste his blessings, but you are instructed to do the work of God, WITH the blessings, and as you do this, God does not muzzle the ox but allows the Ox to partake of the grain.,....1st Timothy 5:17,18.
and you are the OX, if you are doing the will of God.




K

 

[Kidron]

1. Show me scripture that says that we have rights because we're sons of God. Also point me to the scripture that says that Christians are Sons of God.

You dont even know you are a Son of God?
Wow.
No wonder you are so completely confused and hung up...

So here are your scriptures.

1st John 3:2.

Romans 8:17


2. The healing that is being described in Isaiah 53:5 is the restoration of spiritual life. It's funny to see how you twist and warp the scripture.

Its both....
We are begotten by the Word, (James 1:18) which is the spiritual aspect that births us as "Children of Light", and its also a literal healing based on John 10:10.
See,... that you were translated and transformed OUT OF the kingdom of darkness, is how the bible explains what happened to you when you were "born again".......and in this healing and restoration, Jesus is recovering you, redeeming you, and delivering you FROM the Devil and his kingdom.
And so, you are now delivered from all the aspects that come with the devil's kingdom, including poverty, sickness,, and have been transformed and translated INTO a different spiritual kingdom, The Kingdom of God, and in this Kingdom, poverty and sickness are not a part of it, therefore they are not to be a part of your existence, as you are delivered from the kingdom of darkness where poverty and sickness are found.
And you are to get the revelation of what has happened to you so that you stop trying to exist within the former kingdom according to its principles of destruction and poverty and sickness, and realize WHO you are NOW that Jesus has restored you into HIS Kingdom where there is no poverty and sickness.
And i suppose until you do, you'll still be preaching a wicked and anti-God gospel of poverty as loud as you can.
How unfortunate for anyone who knows you or listens to you.
Truly.




3.Again, I will state that the earliest manuscripts lack the additions to Mark 16. This is because the Catholic Church tampered with them and added the text. I will reject the additions because it is a false teaching.

I dont use a Catholic bible .
And if you study manuscript evidence and have been trained as i have, and you learn about the Vatacanus and the Sinaiticus and Origen and the Hexapla..etc ......If you understand why the "western" manuscripts are preferred, and if you come to understand that the Textus Receptus is the best Greek text and why,, and if you dig into the versions of Nestles Greek texts, and if you study why different bible versions contradict each other and omit doctrinal scriptures, then you will eventually get some real light about "original Greek" nonsense as well as get a real revelation regarding Satan's strategy.

4. Philippians 4:19 is taken out of context from the entire passage. It deals with the tithes the church at Philippians sent to Paul and this is him thanking them. If you notice but Paul writes, "And my God will meet all your needs..." This makes it clear that the letter is intended for some of the unbelievers in the church due to the use of "my God". In all of Paul's other letters he usually says, "our" and other plural possessive pronouns. Another thing is that he says, "needs..." not wants, desires, God is an ATM machine. Needs are completely different than the other things.



Well, lucky for you, ive never said a single time in any sentence, paragraph, or Thread ive ever written here, ...that God's blessing has anything to do with our WANTS.
Thats your nonsense, not mine.
So, try not to confuse yourself as you try to reinvent my Threads to agree with your "prosperity gospel" obsession...ok?
And the reason that Paul is talking about tithes in that passage, is because he is trying to show the connection between giving MONEY and getting BLESSED....and that is why he refers to their account.(Philip 4:17)
....and do you know what a bank account is?....well, its OUR "riches in Glory" according to the context of those passages,.... and you have NEEDS according to that passage, and Paul is talking about MONEY, according to the word TITHE, as this is not a reference to FOOD being given him or CLOTHES...
So, all u have to do is compare scripture with scripture, and notice Paul is referring to money, to tithing, and to an ACCOUNT that is a reference to a heavenly prosperity situation that pays out to meet our NEEDS, and it comes from God's "riches in Glory".

Proverbs 22:10 has no bearing on this pop theology of yours. However, Proverbs 22:2 does have bearing, Rich and poor have this in common: The LORD is the Maker of them all.

Blesssing from God according to Need, that are a part of Salvation, perhaps should not be referred to as "pop:< but, whatever you feel....you do.
NP.
So, lets try Proverbs 10:22...
The blessing of the LORD, it makes rich, and he adds no sorrow with it.

5. My advice to you is take this as a loving rebuke. You are twisting scripture and ripping things out of context to create a new theology of God the ATM machine. The Bible says no such thing. I rebuke you for being rude and for failing to account for context of the scripture. Use the entire chapter from now on, not little snippets that you think supports God is an ATM.


I'll take what you say as error., as thats what it is.
You have a poverty gospel mentality, you deny the words of Jesus, you yank isolated scriptures out of context, and then you misinterpret almost every single passage you have ever quoted, and that is a whole lot.
A whole lot.
I would say you are a person who believes commentaries while using a bible.
You are probably the worst , or one of the worst bible correctors ive yet met on a "christian" forum., and im certain you wont be the last.
Really, its nothing to me, except i have to waste time dealing with it on behalf of the real Christians here who are trying to discern, learn, and mature .
And thank GOD that many who are reading what im writing, are getting an inner witness of the Spirit as they are coming to a place of NEW UNDERSTANDING about their glorious position "in Christ".
I rejoice to know this.
So, thats why i answer your nonsense.
Its for them., not for you.
And you can take that as a rebuke if you like, but better you just actually read my Threads as they are written, do not try to reinvent their meaning dishonestly.
Thats what you should do.





7. Funny but my scripture says, "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full." I do not see the devil named here.

OK, well let me help you.
Do u have an OT as well as a NT?
You are told to compare scriptures with scriptures so that you dont continue to live in the dark.
Lets find out WHO the devourer is, as you are not acquainted with him in your bible.
Thankfully Jesus is very acquainted with him ,and describes his work in John 10:10.
But its in Malachi where the devourer is described.
Malachi 3:11...and notice who is talking...and notice that the devourer is described as HE.

So, that is not a "spiritual" reference, that is a literal HE.
Now compare Malachi 3:11 and John 10:10 and try to rightly divide the word this time.

thx.




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paul calls him a slave unto the gospel and our LORD. hardly claiming his rights.

Paul, as a Pharisee, understood the blessing of Abraham.
After all he is the author of Romans 4:11,17.
Paul also completely identified himself as "in Christ", and a "joint heir".
So, he was well acquainted, as a Jew, as a Pharisee, with his entitlements as a son of Abraham.
And by pointing out that you are a "joint heir", he is careful to clarify your position within the family of God, by using the word "HEIR".
Get a dictionary, as this may help with the understanding of this Word as you apply it to yourself as a Son of God as Paul meant you to understand it.