Double Prosperity

[Kidron]

I think you may be getting your "kingdom" models mixed up.

Actually as you know,, im very clear to distinguish the difference between a poverty- sickness Kingdom, which is the devils Kingdom of Darkness , with our kingdom ....The Kingdom OF God with Christ as the Light and us as children of the Light, and within this Kingdom sickness and poverty are not a part as they are curses and no curses exit within the Kingdom of God.

And you are to take up your cross, and that is the denying of your self will.
"you are crucified with Christ", and that means your old nature, the fallen nature, you are to mortify it according to Colossians 3:5, ..u are to NOT yeild your body to be used for the purposes of enjoying sinful pleasure, Romans 6:13....
And in obeying these scriptures you are denying your "SELF"< which is your desires, and your flesh.
When you do this, you are walking in the Spirit and are taking up your cross.
And when you do that you are being obedient to God's will.
And when you do this, God sees it, and if you do it diligently, it becomes a habit, and about the time it does, God will promote you, as you have achieved something that matters the most.
And in his promotion that comes from the Lord, there is increased prosperity.
And the reason is, you have earned it, and also, you will need it for the next level of your faith walk.
God will supply it according to your need, according to Philip 4:19 and Proverbs 10:22.
Its your selfish self centered WILL and your body being used for sinful pleasure that you are to deny, and you are to submit instead to the will of God and live a HOLY Life.......................


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[Kidron]

Agree. But to "destroy poverty" means to give excess wealth to the poor.

Drew,

If you give money to the poor you have not destroyed their poverty, you have only relieved it temporarily..
"Poverty" ,is not a lack of money, its a curse of lack and material destruction that a person is under that Jesus came to remove..
Poverty is a work of the devil, and its something that Jesus in John 10:10 came to "destroy".
And in the Kingdom of God, where we exit, as we are now "seated in heavenly places", "in Christ", we are now to understand our position and our authority and our state of blessing which we received when we were born again INTO a completely different existence.
See, we exist now, in a spiritual dimension that has access to God's prosperity (riches in Glory) that we are entitled to as we are a part of the family of God.
Its HIS prosperity and blessings, but its ours because we have become a part of HIM, through Christ.
This is why you are called an "heir".
So, what are you a "heir' OF?
This is what you have to grasp, as THIS is what being born again has transformed you to exist within.
You are a resident of the earth, but you are a citizen of Heaven.
You are become a Son of GOD, and this is a completely different status and position then an unbeliever who has no rights to any of God's blessing or favor.
They are not even a child of his..
But you are, and all believers have become God's FAMILY.
And within his family, you are now in a new position, and this adoption has given you access to all God is, all God has, and all God can do.
Its YOURS by ROYAL BIRTHRIGHT.

 

[Kidron]

I believe we need to acknowledge that the world changed profoundly at the cross - things this side of the cross are not necessarily the same as they were before the cross.

The bible is a book of revelation....that is to say its being revealed.

Look at the book of Acts.
You have Peter starting it, but Paul finishes it.
The entire book is a progress of gospel revelation regarding a Jewish situation changing in to a Gentile situation for a season..
You noticed that early in Acts, God is still messaging to the Jews.
Consider Pentecost, where Peter who is called the apostle to the jews, is preaching a jewish...."be baptised for the remission of sins" Jewish message to a crowd of Jews.
This is because he didnt have the revelation of the "grace of God", yet........because this was given to Paul later on.
By Acts 10, Peter is being shown that not only the Jew will be saved, as God gives him some gentile converts and a vision that tells him that all meat is good., which to Peter and his Jewish mindset of Legalism was quite a revelation.
And then as the book of Acts progresses, the book begins to deal with the gentiles, using the apostle to the gentiles, Paul.
So, the bible, just like the book of Acts is a progressive and progressing revelation.
And so, we as Christians are also progressing, is the idea.
We are ever learning and are supposed to continue.





K

 

[Kidron]

The title of this thread reminds me of burger ....


Where I live, McDonald's offers Prosperity burger and Double Prosperity burger ..... :D

Ooops! ...... totopic

And Tina, may you eat a few as your need be;).





K

 

[Kidron]

@kidron then there should be plenty of poor and suffering american christians as there a plenty of demonic activity in florida, washington, california, lousiana.

Jasoncran,

anytime a person believes in poverty as their spiritual life work, or believes they are meant to be sick as a testament to their spirituality, you can bet your left eyebrow that the Devil has been at work.
So, yeah, there is plenty he is doing, and plenty he is deceiving.
Its its job.
Its his ministry.
He's perfected it.
He is so good at it, that he even has Christian's preaching his gospel of poverty and sickness to any who will listen.





K

 

[Kidron]

None of this you've said here really has anything to do with following Christ or knowing God's salvation for one's life.

The fact is, you may have a lot money, or great health, or you may not and it does not matter. Salvation is not about you, or how comfortable you are, or how long you live. It's something from God to you, not from you to God. God is not there to serve you..


Actually, Salvation is about us, is designed for us, and is a Gift to us.
So, u might rethink your position a bit there, brother.



So, when we speak out against false teachings, like WOF, and we are to do that, we need not be discouraged in thinking it falls on deaf ears.


You are welcome to worry all you like about the WOF idea.
Just dont associate it with what im sharing, unless you cant resist lying.
Brother, i'll tell you this.
If you actually are able to comprehend what ive written, and maybe you cant, but if you can, then you will recognize that nowhere on my Threads or in my posts do i imply that God's blessings are "treasure" we are to store up.
Nowhere on any of my threads do i EVER imply that God's blessings are to be used for ridiculous material purchases or a ridiculous lifestyle.
So, be careful that you make an attempt to not misinterpret what im sharing and confuse it with your WOF obsession.




K

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[jasoncran]

Jasoncran,

anytime a person believes in poverty as their spiritual life work, or believes they are meant to be sick as a testament to their spirituality, you can bet your left eyebrow that the Devil has been at work.
So, yeah, there is plenty he is doing, and plenty he is deceiving.
Its its job.
Its his ministry.
He's perfected it.
He is so good at it, that he even has Christian's preaching his gospel of poverty and sickness to any who will listen.

sir, my testimony denies all that you have said on this post.

i was unable to hold a job, asked to god to fix that and he did. i asked god to heal me from poor relationships. still doing it today. asked him for a ton of others that i will tell letter. so please.im better then what i was. i was unpromotable in the service and a dirtbag soldier. now, i am not. im in charge of a squad all this i asked too. so please.

 

[Kidron]

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i was unable to hold a job, asked to god to fix that and he did. i asked god to heal me from poor relationships. still doing it today. asked him for a ton of others that i will tell letter. so please.im better then what i was. i was unpromotable in the service and a dirtbag soldier. now, i am not. im in charge of a squad all this i asked too. so please.

So, God has been blessing you.
Well, im not surprised.
You are his SON, and his FAMILY, ...you are one of his... so, that he is taking you to a higher place in life, is "prosperity".
Praise God for it..



be blessed,



K

 

[boolnz]

Prosperity is a blessing from God, but he doesn't give this blessing to all. Life is hugely unfair. There are devout Christians living a persecuted life and dying of starvation. There are evil people who live in absolute luxury. I don't believe every single one of us is called to live a healthy, happy life filled with luxury cars this week and a promotion next week. Sometimes the jerk in the next cubicle gets the undeserving promotion while you slave away doing his work for no extra pay. Life is unfair. It makes no sense. God is still good.

 

[Kidron]

Prosperity is a blessing from God, but he doesn't give this blessing to all. Life is hugely unfair. There are devout Christians living a persecuted life and dying of starvation. There are evil people who live in absolute luxury. I don't believe every single one of us is called to live a healthy, happy life filled with luxury cars this week and a promotion next week. Sometimes the jerk in the next cubicle gets the undeserving promotion while you slave away doing his work for no extra pay. Life is unfair. It makes no sense. God is still good.

My thread is concerning a Christian's position in the family of God, based on being a joint heir with Jesus, as this is our "in Christ" position, as a Son of God.
So, as we are now translated from the Devil's kingdom of poverty and sickness and misery, and are established "seated in heavenly places", in the Kingdom of God, then we are to realize where we are, what we are, and how we are to access the provision that God provides his children.

And regarding your comment.
there are a whole lot of Christians who ither....actually believe they are supposed to be poor and sick, and that is their faith, and you get your faith answered, and many of them are actually sick because they have placed their faith in this idea for themselves....OR, they are "out there" somewhere, lost in a maze of ridiculous theology that has nothing to do with the bible, nothing to do with God, and nothing to do with ministry.

So, in both of these cases, you have millions of Christians.

And regarding "life is not fair".
Well, this has nothing to do with a supernatural God who is in command of his Kingdom which has nothing to do with "fair", as God does not bless according to "fair", he blessed according to Faith and Obedience, and he also blesses according to revealed Light received.
And if a Christian rejects light, then they are going to rise no higher in God's service then their wrong theology allows, and this is the 3rd reason that a whole lot of Christians are powerless, useless, and stuck in life.

 

[tessiewebb]

anytime a person believes in poverty as their spiritual life work, or believes they are meant to be sick as a testament to their spirituality, you can bet your left eyebrow that the Devil has been at work.
So, yeah, there is plenty he is doing, and plenty he is deceiving.
Its its job.
Its his ministry.
He's perfected it.
He is so good at it, that he even has Christian's preaching his gospel of poverty and sickness to any who will listen. K

You weren't addressing me but here's my thought. You are right!

 

[CalledToServe]

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1. There are only two Sons of God in scripture. The first was King David, a man after God's own heart. The second is Jesus Christ. The scriptures you quoted says children of God not Sons of God. There is a huge difference between the two. Now look at who is being insulting.

2. James 1:18 says nothing about what you want it to say. It talks about be given birth through the word of truth. John 10:10 I've already established that it takes only about spiritual death. Poverty, sickness, etc... all come from God as evidenced in Isaiah 45:7. You're contradicting God in this view.

3. Almost all of the modern translations are based off of the Catholic manuscripts. However, certain versions are very translucent in stating that this is an addition to the scripture.

If you had been trained in the various texts then you would have known that this is an addition to the Bible. Since you were unaware of that part of Mark being an addition then I have to question your other claims.

4. I don't need to invent anything. You've said it yourself that God will give all Christians prosperity etc... Paul got paid for his work, but he still used the money for the poor and the church. Your point is a weak one with the twisting of the scripture to say what you want it to.

5. There is no error on my part. The error is entirely yours and since you refuse to take a loving rebuke with your arrogance then I'm done talking with you. I do not believe in the poverty gospel, whatever that means. I believe that God has made people rich and poor because of their individual talents. What they do with what they have shows the character that they have.

You would be mistaken that I pay attention to commentaries. If you did know anything about me, you would know that I reject any and all man-made doctrines that do not fit with what Jesus and the Apostles taught.

7. Malachi 3:11 is about Israel breaking the covenant with God by withholding tithes. Are you saying that we're under the Old Covenant of ceremonial worship? Are you saying that Gentiles are now Jews contrary to what scripture says?

 

[Vic C.]

This sounds suspiciously close to most of those "prosperity gospels" that are popular with wealthy people who want justification to buy a new Mercedes instead of donating to an overseas mission.

I agree 100%.

Kidron, you are spouting the same flawed teaching as most (not all) other prosperity post when they pass through here.

When you finally figure out what it is we are healed from and why, then you will be on the right path again.

But for now, you are on the wrong path and unfortunately, your ego is getting the best of you. You have acted very rudely to some members and this holier than thou attitude can't go on any further.

So, for now, this topic is closed.

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