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Double standards

I dont blame anyone for my own bad choices in life. I know for a fact if i was wise and sensible enough i would have been set in life now and with no help, a nice house maybe even 2 or 3, a few investments, but no, my own bad choices have stopped me living comfortablea nd getting ahead. My fault.
 
kiwidan said:
I dont blame anyone for my own bad choices in life. I know for a fact if i was wise and sensible enough i would have been set in life now and with no help, a nice house maybe even 2 or 3, a few investments, but no, my own bad choices have stopped me living comfortablea nd getting ahead. My fault.
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It's your fault kiwi. Just a reminder. In case you forgot.
 
humble soul said:
I get the impression you are proud of your success in the past. Your level of independence and survival skills. Life gave you lemons and you made lemonade? Sorry that was too saracstic.
But many of us might be the same as you. We have much pride. We are proud of our independence. We don't need no handouts, right?
Might we need to be grateful for our successes? That actually we had a lot of opportunity and luck?
That we haven't been seriously sick enough yet to realise how much we depend on others.
Ego and capitalism and the self made man often go together. Not that full blown socialism is the answer I know. Still I think one of the important themes in the Old Testament is the danger of having a hard heart. The Egyptian Pharaoh I think it was ?
So we need to find a way to avoid the same mistake in our lives. Any success we have in life needs to be shown gratitude instead of " see I handled a tough time. Why can't you do the same?"
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No, not proud but realistic. It's up to us to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, so-to-speak, with God's help. We are also called to work for our livelihood.

He who has a slack hand becomes poor,
But the hand of the diligent makes rich.
Proverbs 10:4 NKJV

The desire of the lazy man kills him,
For his hands refuse to labor.
Proverbs 21:25 NKJV

The soul of a lazy man desires, and has nothing;
But the soul of the diligent shall be made rich.
Proverbs 13:4 NKJV

Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.
Ephesians 4:28 NKJV

But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 NKJV

I think too many believe they are victims and society owes them a handout rather than a hand up. Of course, this is not true for everyone but I honestly believe it is more common than people want to admit. I also think that when we feel sorry for them we reinforce that belief. I've seen it myself with neighbors living on social welfare programs. Some were even my friends. "Woe is me," they said all the while doing very little to help themselves out of their situation.

I see it around me right now. There's a cry for more help from and for people that have been laid off due to the Covid pandemic and yet take a drive around the city of Alexandria, MN (pop. ~10,000) and there are wanted posters everywhere. Just a quick online search of industrial manufacturers in the Alexandria area and I found 239 listed career opportunities; 3M (30 opportunities), Douglas Machine (31 opportunities), Brenton Engineering (137 opportunities), Massman Engineering (19 opportunities), Aagard Group (11 opportunities), LGC (11 opportunities). This isn't all of the major employers either so there are likely quite a few more. Yes, some of them require a certain level of education or past experience but not all of them. I know for a fact that Douglas Machine, my former employer, will consider training in some cases. Walmart, Mills Fleet Farm, Menards, Cub Foods, Elden Foods, Target, and many other local small businesses too are all looking for help and they are offering $14.00/hour and up plus benefits in some cases. That's 50% higher than the current minimum wage. Some are full time and some are part time.

Yes, it is discouraging to have to start over. I know. I've been there and done that more than once in my life but such is life. Jesus told us life would be hard and God told us it would be hard as early as Genesis 3:17-19 (NKJV)

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”
 
WIP said:
No, not proud but realistic. It's up to us to pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, so-to-speak, with God's help. We are also called to work for our livelihood.

He who has a slack hand becomes poor,
But the hand of the diligent makes rich.
Proverbs 10:4 NKJV

The desire of the lazy man kills him,
For his hands refuse to labor.
Proverbs 21:25 NKJV

The soul of a lazy man desires, and has nothing;
But the soul of the diligent shall be made rich.
Proverbs 13:4 NKJV

Let him who stole steal no longer, but rather let him labor, working with his hands what is good, that he may have something to give him who has need.
Ephesians 4:28 NKJV

But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us. For you yourselves know how you ought to follow us, for we were not disorderly among you; nor did we eat anyone’s bread free of charge, but worked with labor and toil night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you, not because we do not have authority, but to make ourselves an example of how you should follow us. For even when we were with you, we commanded you this: If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat. For we hear that there are some who walk among you in a disorderly manner, not working at all, but are busybodies. Now those who are such we command and exhort through our Lord Jesus Christ that they work in quietness and eat their own bread.
2 Thessalonians 3:6-12 NKJV

I think too many believe they are victims and society owes them a handout rather than a hand up. Of course, this is not true for everyone but I honestly believe it is more common than people want to admit. I also think that when we feel sorry for them we reinforce that belief. I've seen it myself with neighbors living on social welfare programs. Some were even my friends. "Woe is me," they said all the while doing very little to help themselves out of their situation.

I see it around me right now. There's a cry for more help from and for people that have been laid off due to the Covid pandemic and yet take a drive around the city of Alexandria, MN (pop. ~10,000) and there are wanted posters everywhere. Just a quick online search of industrial manufacturers in the Alexandria area and I found 239 listed career opportunities; 3M (30 opportunities), Douglas Machine (31 opportunities), Brenton Engineering (137 opportunities), Massman Engineering (19 opportunities), Aagard Group (11 opportunities), LGC (11 opportunities). This isn't all of the major employers either so there are likely quite a few more. Yes, some of them require a certain level of education or past experience but not all of them. I know for a fact that Douglas Machine, my former employer, will consider training in some cases. Walmart, Mills Fleet Farm, Menards, Cub Foods, Elden Foods, Target, and many other local small businesses too are all looking for help and they are offering $14.00/hour and up plus benefits in some cases. That's 50% higher than the current minimum wage. Some are full time and some are part time.

Yes, it is discouraging to have to start over. I know. I've been there and done that more than once in my life but such is life. Jesus told us life would be hard and God told us it would be hard as early as Genesis 3:17-19 (NKJV)

Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’:

“Cursed is the ground for your sake;
In toil you shall eat of it
All the days of your life.
Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you,
And you shall eat the herb of the field.
In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread
Till you return to the ground,
For out of it you were taken;
For dust you are,
And to dust you shall return.”
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Proud Mary might be a better username for you.
 
only the govt can aid of help you ,don't work,strive to build a path up if you,are poor .

the lotto ,aimed at the poor ,used to fund public schools supposedly .the poor wanting to get rich quick aren't greedy ,its not a form of gambling at all .only the billionaires and millionaires are greedy .hmm

lotto winnings can get up to 500 million .but again only,the millionaires are greedy

www.cbsnews.com

Who buys lottery tickets? Those who can least afford them

Low-income households spend nearly four times more playing the lottery than those earning $75,000 or more
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
 
See you lump all the poor in the same basket.
Yes there are lazy poor. Yes there are self pitying poor. Yes there are conniving, manipulative poor.
But then there are the poor who are there through no fault of their own. Laid off. Debilitating sickness or disability. Lack of skills. There are two sides to a story I admit. No one should be trying to cheat the system.
I just think you are overlooking the genuine poor. People have shown charity to me in the past. An uncle letting me stay in his home for a week. Generosity of spirit is something belonging to a previous generation perhaps.
 
I would be renting and struggling much more, if I didn't get married. It really is cheaper when two share the costs. I owe my wife. But I like to think she was lucky too.
 
humble soul said:
See you lump all the poor in the same basket.
Yes there are lazy poor. Yes there are self pitying poor. Yes there are conniving, manipulative poor.
But then there are the poor who are there through no fault of their own. Laid off. Debilitating sickness or disability. Lack of skills. There are two sides to a story I admit. No one should be trying to cheat the system.
I just think you are overlooking the genuine poor. People have shown charity to me in the past. An uncle letting me stay in his home for a week. Generosity of spirit is something belonging to a previous generation perhaps.
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that's nothing close ti what wip said ,my,wife is disabled .
my dad too . Wip, said most not all.

he quoted if a man can work he must,not and Paul also said if they are widows,then let their family ,the sons or nearest male kin,take them inn.

women really then couldn't own land or earn much .Paul didn't say go petetition ceaser to send armed men to force the Patricians to feed the poor,the majority of roman populous were slaves.

unlike Australia ,I don't have to have exhausted my options to get disability ,I apply and if need be sue to get it .married or being with family isn't required .
 
Greed goes all the way through the system from the broke to the billionaire. Not all broke people are greedy and not all bilionaires are greedy. A billionaire might have come up wih an idea or just a random investment and cannot help the amount of money that rolls in from it, and they live comfortable off it but also do good works and donate a lot to diffeent causes.
 
again not knowing the way the American politics of poor

the working poor,
the indigent and disabled

the left gives and loves the min wage but forgets that the indigent and disabled often don't get raises,min wage will double in my,state in 5 years to 15,that is more per month then my,wife's disability
it won't double in 5 years .
many retirees and disabled will be in,a lot of issues then.
 
I will stick up for the poor on this forum if no one else will.i would take a more fatherly approach on other forums where some liberals will try to make you feel guilty for suggesting a proactive approach to finding work. I work now but I've had periods of receiving govt. Unemployment benefits. It is humiliating and depressing. I would rather work. The loss of status is a self esteem killer.
 
Some people support the rich by freely choosing to purchase there products and services, and then they complain they got too much money.
 
humble soul said:
I will stick up for the poor on this forum if no one else will.i would take a more fatherly approach on other forums where some liberals will try to make you feel guilty for suggesting a proactive approach to finding work. I work now but I've had periods of receiving govt. Unemployment benefits. It is humiliating and depressing. I would rather work. The loss of status is a self esteem killer.
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you may but again ..
increasing the min wage increases costs to the consumer .the poor will eat the costs more then wealthy and jobs that can and will be automated and harder to find .

to work at McD's in 1989.3.35 per hour cheese burgers none the better now,costs 2.00 bucks ,wage starting is 11 per hour unless on,the dollar menu.
it was not over .59 then .cant ignore that ,I can go into the costs of simple car repairs
 
humble soul said:
See you lump all the poor in the same basket.
Yes there are lazy poor. Yes there are self pitying poor. Yes there are conniving, manipulative poor.
But then there are the poor who are there through no fault of their own. Laid off. Debilitating sickness or disability. Lack of skills. There are two sides to a story I admit. No one should be trying to cheat the system.
I just think you are overlooking the genuine poor. People have shown charity to me in the past. An uncle letting me stay in his home for a week. Generosity of spirit is something belonging to a previous generation perhaps.
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Don't forget, I have already stated that it is our calling to help those in need. That is the Godly thing to do. I have never said otherwise. Scripture has much to say about this too.

He who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord,
And He will pay back what he has given.
Proverbs 19:17 NKJV

He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker,
But he who honors Him has mercy on the needy.
Proverbs 14:31 NKJV

For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, "You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land."
Deuteronomy 15:11 NKJV

Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
Matthew 5:42 NKJV

Then He also said to him who invited Him, “When you give a dinner or a supper, do not ask your friends, your brothers, your relatives, nor rich neighbors, lest they also invite you back, and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you; for you shall be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”
Luke 14:12 NKJV

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’"
Matthew 25:31-36 NKJV
 
WIP said:
Don't forget, I have already stated that it is our calling to help those in need. That is the Godly thing to do. I have never said otherwise. Scripture has much to say about this too.

He who has pity on the poor lends to the Lord,
And He will pay back what he has given.
Proverbs 19:17 NKJV

He who oppresses the poor reproaches his Maker,
But he who honors Him has mercy on the needy.
Proverbs 14:31 NKJV

For the poor will never cease from the land; therefore I command you, saying, "You shall open your hand wide to your brother, to your poor and your needy, in your land."
Deuteronomy 15:11 NKJV

Give to him who asks you, and from him who wants to borrow from you do not turn away.
Matthew 5:42 NKJV

Then He also said to him who invited Him, “When you give a dinner or a supper, do not ask your friends, your brothers, your relatives, nor rich neighbors, lest they also invite you back, and you be repaid. But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind. And you will be blessed, because they cannot repay you; for you shall be repaid at the resurrection of the just.”
Luke 14:12 NKJV

“When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats. And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in; I was naked and you clothed Me; I was sick and you visited Me; I was in prison and you came to Me.’"
Matthew 25:31-36 NKJV
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but I voted and there's that food bank ,I pay taxes and that's giving .

not
 
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