Double standards

[humble soul]

It all depends on how humble they are, lol.

Does this mean our love affair is over?

 

[Edward]

Does this mean our love affair is over?

What do we have to do with it? I just answered a question. ??

 

[Corn Pop]

Lol.

Watch: Cop praised for cool response after men jump in patrol car

"Quite possibly the greatest clip from a crate day in all of human history."

www.nzherald.co.nz

 

[WIP]

Biden and double standard post is what I saw. I felt some balance required. Almost no one likes sleepy Joe. I'm not sure I do either.
The title of this thread triggered my response as did your mention of Biden. I mean you could have chosen a different example of double standards but you chose him. I think my response was justified under the circumstances.

Actually, it was other Christians that came to mind with the one's I mentioned regarding health care and socialism. There are members in my own church that claim socialism is Biblical and I disagree, as I pointed out Jesus never promoted using government to take from the rich and give to the poor or for the government to provide health care to all. Jesus always addressed the individual person. With these two examples I am thinking of both left and right thinkers as well as those of us in the middle.

 

[Corn Pop]

Some people just dont understand how the system works.

 

[jasonc]

Actually, it was other Christians that came to mind with the one's I mentioned regarding health care and socialism. There are members in my own church that claim socialism is Biblical and I disagree, as I pointed out Jesus never promoted using government to take from the rich and give to the poor or for the government to provide health care to all. Jesus always addressed the individual person. With these two examples I am thinking of both left and right thinkers as well as those of us in the middle.

James .

if you see a member in need and neither offered food or need what faith is in you?

im guilty .

 

[humble soul]

Actually, it was other Christians that came to mind with the one's I mentioned regarding health care and socialism. There are members in my own church that claim socialism is Biblical and I disagree, as I pointed out Jesus never promoted using government to take from the rich and give to the poor or for the government to provide health care to all. Jesus always addressed the individual person. With these two examples I am thinking of both left and right thinkers as well as those of us in the middle.

Interesting post. You might think I'm a closet socialist. But I'm too big a fan of Jordan Peterson to wave that banner. I do think socialism is a kind of evil. But only at the extreme end. I feel sorry for poverty stricken Americans though. Who have little or no free access to health care. Poor Aussies get a much better deal than poor Americans. Health care wise anyway.
Jesus was not a socialist. Jesus was /is anti ideaology. Look after the poor sure. But support the small businessman too. The big business is where I worry. admittedly problems can occur in any organisation where power is a factor. Power corrupts. It corrupted me so it can corrupt anyone.

 

[WIP]

James .

if you see a member in need and neither offered food or need what faith is in you?

im guilty .

I expect we all are guilty.

 

[WIP]

Interesting post. You might think I'm a closet socialist. But I'm too big a fan of Jordan Peterson to wave that banner. I do think socialism is a kind of evil. But only at the extreme end. I feel sorry for poverty stricken Americans though. Who have little or no free access to health care. Poor Aussies get a much better deal than poor Americans. Health care wise anyway.
Jesus was not a socialist. Jesus was /is anti ideaology. Look after the poor sure. But support the small businessman too. The big business is where I worry. admittedly problems can occur in any organisation where power is a factor. Power corrupts. It corrupted me so it can corrupt anyone.

I don't know if it is necessarily evil. The concept is good. In fact, if I recall, didn't you recently have a discussion thread about Utopia? In a pure socialist society, assuming all members of the society agree with the ideal, you would have a Utopian society. The problem abounds when not all members favor a socialist ideal because those that don't agree are forced into accepting it.

Also, big and small, rich and poor, are relative terms. In your reply above, if all "big" businesses are eliminated, wouldn't that leave the largest small businesses as the new big businesses?

 

[jasonc]

I don't know if it is necessarily evil. The concept is good. In fact, if I recall, didn't you recently have a discussion thread about Utopia? In a pure socialist society, assuming all members of the society agree with the ideal, you would have a Utopian society. The problem abounds when not all members favor a socialist ideal because those that don't agree are forced into accepting it.

Also, big and small, rich and poor, are relative terms. In your reply above, if all "big" businesses are eliminated, would that leave the largest small businesses as the new big businesses?

or that human nature for power ,greed is just non existent in govt .

 

[WIP]

or that human nature for power ,greed is just non existent in govt .

Yes, the greed is in the people of the government and the people of the society as well. We are all greedy to some degree. I have never found anyone that would honestly say they would reject an offer for a higher wage except for greedy reasons. For example, if they do their social benefits might be reduced.

 

[jasonc]

Yes, the greed is in the people of the government and the people of the society as well. We are all greedy to some degree. I have never found anyone that would honestly say they would reject an offer for a higher wage except for greedy reasons. For example, if they do their social benefits might be reduced.

self interests is a better word .

 

[jasonc]

im not a fan of corporations but I'm,also not a fan of limiting business to grow

local florid a only chains now defunct I grow up going to or were around but didn't need them

scottys lumber
zayre' s
Jefferson ward
burdines
lord and Taylor
w.t.grants furniture
mcrory five and dime
super x,super drugs
pantry pride
Barnett bank ,pre 1900 bank
burger king started in Miami ,I count it because it was at one time only in Florida and two restaurants in,miami
these aren't small business but were also corporations too .

 

[WIP]

Around here many people blame corporate farmers for driving out the small family farm but I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think it was a matter of survival and the way of business. The larger you get the more volume you use so you gain buying power.

There's also the reduced cost per unit (bushel for example) that you can realize when you can use the same equipment to generate more production. That means farming as much land as your equipment makes possible thereby getting the most efficient use of your equipment. Well, one farmer can't work 24/7 but three farmers can so they put their resources and money together and form a corporation and now this corporation is the size of three farms and as a buying unit it has more power to negotiate lower costs. They sell or trade in their individual smaller machines for a larger one so they can do more and do it faster. If you think about it, this is somewhat similar to how unions operate. They work together to increase their bargaining power.

Here's another example. When I began in the logging business in 1977, I worked with two other men. One operated a chainsaw felling trees, another operated a skidder to bring the trees to a landing, and I operated a chainsaw on the landing to cut the trees into 8' length. We produced 1 to 2 truck loads per week.

By the time I left that industry, it was nearly impossible to do it the same way because the paper mills increased production and pulpwood buyers were no longer interested in buying just one load per week. They wanted to secure 3-4 loads per day from one logger rather than contracting with many loggers. We couldn't do that with just three guys. To remain in business, the owner of the business invested in more machinery (a shear to fell and stack trees, bigger and faster skidder, and a slasher to cut and load trees on the landing) so he could increase his output plus he began to work like a distributor by contracting with other small loggers, which cut into their profits a little, so he could then negotiate with the pulpwood buyers to fill their larger needs.

That worked for a while and may still work to some degree but over time more an more loggers invested in larger, faster equipment in order to compete for those pulpwood orders.

A similar thing happens with grocery stores, clothing stores, hardware stores, etc. People enjoy 1-stop shopping so retailers created Pamida, Target, Walmart, and other multi-department stores and grew large enough to increase their buying power so they can not only buy at lower wholesale but sell at lower costs even with higher margins.

 

[Corn Pop]

As long as i got enough to get through the day im ok.

 

[humble soul]

Around here many people blame corporate farmers for driving out the small family farm but I don't think this is necessarily the case. I think it was a matter of survival and the way of business. The larger you get the more volume you use so you gain buying power.

I can sympathise with small family farmers. Big corporations bully. And will do whatever it takes to get market control.
Example ..we have two big supermarket chains here. They try to dominate on all products. So whether small business is into vegetables, ice cream or peanut butter, they will make their own product and undercut . They won't be happy until they dominate all products. If course, we the customer benefit from price wars. But capitalism at its worst. ( not that I love socialism btw)

 

[humble soul]

Also, big and small, rich and poor, are relative terms. In your reply above, if all "big" businesses are eliminated, wouldn't that leave the largest small businesses as the new big businesses

I didn't say get rid of big business. I suggest we limit their power though. Their power to ride roughshod over small business. Checks and balances.

 

[jasonc]

I didn't say get rid of big business. I suggest we limit their power though. Their power to ride roughshod over small business. Checks and balances.

buy enabling them,to buy beaurcrats


yup,lobbyists already do that to both parties .well make it illegal ,well so are drugs and immigration and well officers are bribed to look,the other way .

min wage laws favor big corps they .can afford then hit

 

[humble soul]

Re double standards in general. And hypocrisy. I try to avoid it but the minute I point out someone else's flaw, I am doing it really. Even when the sin is different. I point out your aggression whilst hiding my ill will? I point out your sarcasm whilst hiding my envy and malice?
I point out out your stupidity whilst being blissfully unaware of my own. (Just a different kind of stupidity). I don't like the word "stupid" and rarely use it. Only "stupid" people use it? There you go. That's my bias.
One of my stupidities is overlooking the obvious. Lack of commonsense. Being too keen to find more complex reasons for things. Like a nutty professor without "the professor" part.

 

[WIP]

I can sympathise with small family farmers. Big corporations bully. And will do whatever it takes to get market control.
Example ..we have two big supermarket chains here. They try to dominate on all products. So whether small business is into vegetables, ice cream or peanut butter, they will make their own product and undercut . They won't be happy until they dominate all products. If course, we the customer benefit from price wars. But capitalism at its worst. ( not that I love socialism btw)

This year was not a good year for hay making for us so we had to buy some to get enough to last through the year. You can bet we shopped around. Prices ranged from $3.00 per small square bale up to $6.00 per bale. Some bales were a little smaller or lighter than others plus it is important not to feed moldy hay to horses. Some farmers felt their hay was worth more than we were willing to pay.

When I am shopping for the things I need, whether it is groceries, hardware, lumber, fishing gear, etc., I always shop around. I am not required to make my purchases at any one retailer's outlet. Sometimes I make my purchases at the local small store because the fuel and time it would take to drive all the way to Alexandria where there is more competition between retailers is not worth the savings.

I retired almost two years ago from an industrial packaging machinery manufacturer. When I first began working for them in 1990 we held almost 30% of the total market in the US. During the next 10 years I began to notice that we were not moving forward with our products. In other words, we were content with where we were and felt we had a good product that didn't need any improvement. I expressed my concerns by placing my comments in the suggestion box at work. I know they received them because the CEO thanked me for them.

Well, our competitors began investing in newer technologies and upgraded designs and by 2002 our estimated market share had dropped to about 15% and getting worse and we were facing the possibility of layoffs. The market was also in a slump at that time which didn't help. The COO was replaced and the new administration came in with innovative ideas. They increased the budget for R&D and began to upgrade technologies throughout the company, upgraded the technologies on our products, redesigned our logo and our mission, and so forth. The results were almost immediate. New equipment sales increased, aftermarket sales increased, and our market share increased. The value of our stock (company) has increased at an average rate of 19% annually through today. In fact, the company's growth in 2017, 2018, and 2019 was 24%, 26%, and 48% respectively and last I heard they are still very busy. That is unbelievable growth when 10% annual average is exceptional.

Victim mentality is a false mentality. Trying to dominate is the way of business. When in business, we want to own the larger share of the market. It increases our sales and thereby increases our buying power so we can obtain our materials at lower cost and that can either mean better profit or allow us to be even more competitive or a little of both. We the consumer want the best return for our buck so we shop around to find the best quality at the lowest prices or maybe we accept a lower quality for less or maybe we are willing to pay more for higher quality. Our habits drive the retailers marketing decisions because if they can't sell their products, they go bankrupt. In the final analysis it always comes down to what the seller and the buyer can agree on. Big businesses got big because they learned what the consumer needed or wanted and gave it to them at the best price. We consumers responded by making our purchases from them more than their competitors.