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Easier to forgive than to trust again

I do not trust anyone in the world.And I mean no one until they have shown me that they can be trusted.I have been disappointed many times in my life.Someone has proven me wrong and they were not the person that I thought they were.Jesus is the one and only that I trust completely and always will.

Well the thing is, to be able to learn if you can trust someone...you have to trust them. Then they either show themselves trustworthy, or not.
 
Well the thing is, to be able to learn if you can trust someone...you have to trust them. Then they either show themselves trustworthy, or not.
Interesting but strange. Its all about risks
 
no. look to Abba and do what He says at the moment.
remmber , Yeshua didn't turn judas the thief/His betrayer over to anyone else - Yeshua didn't treat judas different than He treated the other apostles or disciples --- they didn't even know judas was a thief and betrayer and demon until later.

If the sales girl is pocketing the money, she's stealing. If I were to look the other way, I would be responsible for allowing this girl to continue stealing from her employer. The employer isn't losing only the money, they're losing product also.

If I catch someone stealing and it's within my ability to stop it, I'm gonna stop it. No if, ands or buts.
 
I'm not sure about this brother. I'm of the mind that forgiving is one thing, and trust is another. Why couldn't you forgive someone for doing you wrong (and let it go)...but why would that mean that you had to trust them again? Like if they ripped you off for some money, and you forgave them for it, heck it was only money. But they came again and wanted you to put more money in their hand?

I guess what I'm asking is what does trust have to do with forgiveness?

Yeah, I suppose you're right.
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Well the thing is, to be able to learn if you can trust someone...you have to trust them. Then they either show themselves trustworthy, or not.
No you don't.I don't trust anyone until they show me they can be trusted.And most
Thats a good quality.

Yet there are some that appear as doves...but are deadlier than venom. They can take years before they can carry out their evil plan.
The saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" it is good one.I have come across many women who many think they are the sweetest person in the world.Then they drop their cover for a few minutes.Evil underneith.
 
That's a paradox.

Yeah i suppose you're right. But in a way...how does one learn to trust another without trusting them to some extent for the test? How does one do this without risk? I don't think you can.
 
No you don't.I don't trust anyone until they show me they can be trusted.And most

The saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" it is good one.I have come across many women who many think they are the sweetest person in the world.Then they drop their cover for a few minutes.Evil underneith.

Uh, ok. How do you do this without some sort of risk? How does one show you that they can be trusted without trust being granted and a risk taken?

If you can do this without a risk, i'm all ears. i like to learn.

:confused
 
Yeah i suppose you're right. But in a way...how does one learn to trust another without trusting them to some extent for the test? How does one do this without risk? I don't think you can.
Life is full of risks.I see what you mean.For instance I give a personel check to a small company who did work for me.They end up taking my bank account number and cause all kinds of problems for me.Some of those instances can not be helped.Especially if a company says "Sorry we only take cash and checks".
 
If the sales girl is pocketing the money, she's stealing. If I were to look the other way, I would be responsible for allowing this girl to continue stealing from her employer. The employer isn't losing only the money, they're losing product also.

If I catch someone stealing and it's within my ability to stop it, I'm gonna stop it. No if, ands or buts.

that's standard human "i will" response. Yhvh may have a different order. Yeshua made it possible for us to obey Yhvh, to say "Thy Will", for those who are elect anyway.
 
Well the thing is, to be able to learn if you can trust someone...you have to trust them. Then they either show themselves trustworthy, or not.

if you learn what the Creator's Word says about man/men, you won't trust anyone.(trust only Yhvh in Yeshua; test all other).
John 2:24 from various>>>

John 2:23-25Young's Literal Translation (YLT)
23 And as he was in Jerusalem, in the passover, in the feast, many believed in his name, beholding his signs that he was doing;
24 and Jesus himself was not trusting himself to them, because of his knowing all [men],
25 and because he had no need that any should testify concerning man, for he himself was knowing what was in man.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But Yeshua did not entrust himself to them, because he knew all men,

American King James Version
But Jesus did not commit himself to them, because he knew all men,

American Standard Version
But Jesus did not trust himself unto them, for that he knew all men,

Douay-Rheims Bible
But Jesus did not trust himself unto them, for that he knew all men,
 
2Co_5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
Gal_6:15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
 
No you don't.I don't trust anyone until they show me they can be trusted.And most

The saying "Don't judge a book by its cover" it is good one.I have come across many women who many think they are the sweetest person in the world.Then they drop their cover for a few minutes.Evil underneith.
some don't trust god, by that argument they should wait and not open to god to let him be trusted. im not saying be foolish but the other end is just as bad.

just so you know. I despised at one time human emotions. yes despise is an emotion. but that is what is called codependency.it also works with trust issue. I have had trust issues with women, and still do at times. if you want to trust another the risk must be given , with wisdom of course.
 
some don't trust god, by that argument they should wait and not open to god to let him be trusted. im not saying be foolish but the other end is just as bad.

just so you know. I despised at one time human emotions. yes despise is an emotion. but that is what is called codependency.it also works with trust issue. I have had trust issues with women, and still do at times. if you want to trust another the risk must be given , with wisdom of course.
You have to go out in our world with wisdom and common sense.Once a person has been deceived once I don't think their judgement is very good to let that person do it them the second time.I am avoiding it for the first time.I sit back and observe.It sometimes does not take long.Sometimes it takes patience and it takes longer.
 
You have to go out in our world with wisdom and common sense.Once a person has been deceived once I don't think their judgement is very good to let that person do it them the second time.I am avoiding it for the first time.I sit back and observe.It sometimes does not take long.Sometimes it takes patience and it takes longer.
yes but there has to come a time that you do allow yourself to be hurt. otherwise you wont have any friends. do you have or have you had small groups where you meet the person and didn't know them long and confided a sin or an issue and just trust they wont gossip? are we ever 100% able to know if a person wont hurt us? NO!
 
that's standard human "i will" response.

I'm a standard human.


Yhvh may have a different order. Yeshua made it possible for us to obey Yhvh, to say "Thy Will", for those who are elect anyway.

I'll be saying "Thy Will" as I'm tracking down her superiors. It's the right thing to do. It's not a sin to turn someone in for theft. It's not like the girl is homeless and needs the money to feed her family.

Discern the situation and act.
 
just so you know, Kathi I used to be a master at buryin my emotions. I didn't want people to get close at times. it is what I did. was as bad as others? no but I didn't like pain. god took that from me.
 
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Life is full of risks.I see what you mean.For instance I give a personel check to a small company who did work for me.They end up taking my bank account number and cause all kinds of problems for me.Some of those instances can not be helped.Especially if a company says "Sorry we only take cash and checks".

That's my company! I only take cash or local checks. I used to take credit cards but it was too much overhead so I dropped it. I walk with honor though.

How about on a personal level? Acquaintances, friends, but for not very long. He/she wants to borrow $1000 cash. (You do have it, but have never done something like this for them before) You're spidey sense goes off, uh-oh, I might not get it back. Or, he/she may be true to their word. Generally speaking, one does not go around passing out that amount of money to people that they do not know extremely well and trust. Would 50 bucks help? This amount would perhaps help them, and also give them a chance to establish a higher level of trust with you. (or a long term set-up/sting lol). It's still a risk, but not of an amount that would make you hurt or look idiotic for giving a somewhat stranger a large amount of money. There's still trust involved in a smaller loan. See what I mean?
 
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