Eating His Flesh and drinking His blood

[stranger]

Hello Cornelius,

First they literally ate the flesh of the lamb (OT passover);
then they had to eat the flesh of the lamb of God.
You eat the Word but stop short of the Word became flesh which you are invited to eat. So there is an issue with Jesus' humanity here (incarnation) , not Jesus' divinity.

blessings brother

They never really "ate" the flesh of the Lamb of God. It is a parable as I have shown.

1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 seeing that we, who are many, are one bread, one body: for we are all partake of the one bread.

So does this mean the bread also changes into our bodies ? Surely it must mean that then too, because it speaks of the same bread that is blessed ! We , who are many are one bread ! So we too are the Eucharist.

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HI Cornelius,

The lamb of God is a title of Jesus just as the Son of man is, or King of Kings is. When John the baptist said ' There goes the lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world - to what lamb is he referring to if not alluding to (the replacement) of the lamb sacrificed in the OT passover?

NIV 16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

The context is clear that they eat the bread and drink from the cup, thus participating (communing) in the blood and body of Christ. Jesus said the same thing about eating the bread which He broke saying 'this is My body' and of the cup 'this is My blood'. Take eat and drink. Word studies have to include eat and drink in the other contexts and these abound in John 6 , Matt 26, Mark 14, and Luke 22 and of course 1 Cor 11: 26 For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes. ...

So does this mean the bread also changes into our bodies ? Surely it must mean that then too, because it speaks of the same bread that is blessed ! We , who are many are one bread ! So we too are the Eucharist.

When we consider the body of Christ (the one church)as members we can expect to find the flesh and blood of Christ in each member thus 'constituting?!' the body of Christ. This separates us from the flesh and blood of Adam. Sure its a spiritual thing, but it is preceded by the physical thing, first comes the physical then the spiritual. We are not the Eucharist but members of the body of Christ.

blessings brother

 

[Cornelius]

When we consider the body of Christ (the one church)as members we can expect to find the flesh and blood of Christ in each member thus 'constituting?!' the body of Christ. This separates us from the flesh and blood of Adam. Sure its a spiritual thing, but it is preceded by the physical thing, first comes the physical then the spiritual. We are not the Eucharist but members of the body of Christ.

blessings brother

No brother, you do not get to choose when something is spiritual and when literal. It very clearly says 1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 seeing that we, who are many, are one bread, one body: for we are all partake of the one bread.

We are one bread.............its the same as ..........Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it; and he gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body

What is true for the one, is true for the other.

Either the "one bread" is spiritual and so the rest are spiritual as well, or it is not.

 

[Cornelius]

1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.

So demons also has a cup to drink from. If the Lord's cup is His real blood, their cup must be their real blood.
Please explain and please do not tell me it has something to do with real sacrifices for demons by unbelievers, because the Bible is not shallow. Paul is definitely making a comparison between the blood of Christ and the blood of demons.

I will give the link, before this gets all muddled up.

The cup of demons are : 1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,

The cup of the Lord is the New Covenant: Luk 22:20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.

1)The Lord's cup represents the New Covenant
2)The cup of demons represents doctrines that is in the church, that were added by men, through the inspiration of demons.

One brings life eternal, and the other brings death. So, if drinking the REAL blood and eating the REAL flesh of Jesus would be able to save us, then we would really not have to be worried about the "cup of demons" ..but we have to worry about that, because it is presented to us most every day and many in the church indeed drink from it.

 

[stranger]

When we consider the body of Christ (the one church)as members we can expect to find the flesh and blood of Christ in each member thus 'constituting?!' the body of Christ. This separates us from the flesh and blood of Adam. Sure its a spiritual thing, but it is preceded by the physical thing, first comes the physical then the spiritual. We are not the Eucharist but members of the body of Christ.

blessings brother

No brother, you do not get to choose when something is spiritual and when literal. It very clearly says 1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 seeing that we, who are many, are one bread, one body: for we are all partake of the one bread.

We are one bread.............its the same as ..........Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it; and he gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body

What is true for the one, is true for the other.

Either the "one bread" is spiritual and so the rest are spiritual as well, or it is not.

Hello Cornelius,

I'm not sure why you refer to 'literal and spiritual' when I said 'first comes the physical and then the spiritual?'

You seem to be drawing a distinction between 'literal and spiritual' instead. Please clarify? To what are you referring to in saying 'what is true for the one is true for the other?'

blessings brother

 

[Mysteryman]

When we consider the body of Christ (the one church)as members we can expect to find the flesh and blood of Christ in each member thus 'constituting?!' the body of Christ. This separates us from the flesh and blood of Adam. Sure its a spiritual thing, but it is preceded by the physical thing, first comes the physical then the spiritual. We are not the Eucharist but members of the body of Christ.

blessings brother

No brother, you do not get to choose when something is spiritual and when literal. It very clearly says 1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 seeing that we, who are many, are one bread, one body: for we are all partake of the one bread.

We are one bread.............its the same as ..........Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it; and he gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body

What is true for the one, is true for the other.

Either the "one bread" is spiritual and so the rest are spiritual as well, or it is not.

When you eat literal bread, that is exactly what you are doing -- eating something literally. < This is not eating spiritually !

It has spiritual implication, yes. If you eat literal bread, and call it spiritual, then you are eating from the tables of devils !

Spiritual is spiritual and literal is literal -- Both can have spiritual implications , and both can be eating and drinking from the table of devils.

Christians are to walk by faith and not by sight. If you can eat something literally, then you can see , taste and touch it. < It's literal ! Not spiritual !

Spiritual can not be seen, tasted, or touched by our five senses ! If it can, then it is only because of the spiritual implications, which are devilish !

Jesus Christ did this once as an example for his disciples to remember. The bread and wine were literal, and had a spiritual implication/application. When Jesus broke the bread, it represented his broken body that would suffer for the sins of all mankind. When he used the cup as an example. He passed it around to his disciples, and the cup came back to Jesus empty. Jesus held up the cup and indicated that this empty cup is my shed blood for you. Meaning that his body was going to be emptied of his blood.

If you do a literal Lord's supper, you show his death until his return. Showing his death , is not showing others that his death is not who Jesus was. Jesus said - "I am the resurrection and the life" !

Stop eating at the table of devils, and start living your life as an example of Jesus being the resurrection and the life !!

 

[chestertonrules]

If you do a literal Lord's supper, you show his death until his return. Showing his death , is not showing others that his death is not who Jesus was. Jesus said - "I am the resurrection and the life" !

Stop eating at the table of devils, and start living your life as an example of Jesus being the resurrection and the life !!

My flesh is real food. My blood is real drink.

 

[Mysteryman]

If you do a literal Lord's supper, you show his death until his return. Showing his death , is not showing others that his death is not who Jesus was. Jesus said - "I am the resurrection and the life" !

Stop eating at the table of devils, and start living your life as an example of Jesus being the resurrection and the life !!

My flesh is real food. My blood is real drink.

Cannibalism ?

 

[glorydaz]

If you do a literal Lord's supper, you show his death until his return. Showing his death , is not showing others that his death is not who Jesus was. Jesus said - "I am the resurrection and the life" !

Stop eating at the table of devils, and start living your life as an example of Jesus being the resurrection and the life !!

My flesh is real food. My blood is real drink.

Cannibalism ?

Which is certainly not what the Lord intended.

 

[stranger]

Mysteryman wrote:

When you eat literal bread, that is exactly what you are doing -- eating something literally. < This is not eating spiritually !

It has spiritual implication, yes. If you eat literal bread, and call it spiritual, then you are eating from the tables of devils !

Spiritual is spiritual and literal is literal -- Both can have spiritual implications , and both can be eating and drinking from the table of devils.

Christians are to walk by faith and not by sight. If you can eat something literally, then you can see , taste and touch it. < It's literal ! Not spiritual !

Spiritual can not be seen, tasted, or touched by our five senses ! If it can, then it is only because of the spiritual implications, which are devilish !

Jesus Christ did this once as an example for his disciples to remember. The bread and wine were literal, and had a spiritual implication/application. When Jesus broke the bread, it represented his broken body that would suffer for the sins of all mankind. When he used the cup as an example. He passed it around to his disciples, and the cup came back to Jesus empty. Jesus held up the cup and indicated that this empty cup is my shed blood for you. Meaning that his body was going to be emptied of his blood.

If you do a literal Lord's supper, you show his death until his return. Showing his death , is not showing others that his death is not who Jesus was. Jesus said - "I am the resurrection and the life" !

Stop eating at the table of devils, and start living your life as an example of Jesus being the resurrection and the life !!

Hi Mysteryman,

In these discussions I avoid the use of four words like: 'literal, represents, symbolises, and spiritualises' when Jesus says 'this is My body' and 'this is My blood.'

The interpretive affect of these words can be seen and compared with the actual words of Jesus>>>>

>>>>for the bread
this is literally My body ------cf--- this is My body.
this represents My body -----cf--- this is My body.
this symbolises My body -----cf--- this is My body.
this spiritualises My body ----cf--- this is My body.

>>>>for the cup ditto
this is literally My blood -----cf--- this is My blood.
this represents My blood -----cf--- this is My blood.
this symbolises My blood -----cf--- this is My blood.
this spiritualises My blood ----cf--- this is My blood.

I noticed the word 'represented' (represents) crept in to your reply - you don't need that word and Jesus never used it.

blessings brother

 

[chestertonrules]

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My flesh is real food. My blood is real drink.

Cannibalism ?[/quote]

Christianity.

John 6
54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

Luke 22
19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." 20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Cor 10
16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

1 Cor 11
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself

 

[Cornelius]

When we consider the body of Christ (the one church)as members we can expect to find the flesh and blood of Christ in each member thus 'constituting?!' the body of Christ. This separates us from the flesh and blood of Adam. Sure its a spiritual thing, but it is preceded by the physical thing, first comes the physical then the spiritual. We are not the Eucharist but members of the body of Christ.

blessings brother

No brother, you do not get to choose when something is spiritual and when literal. It very clearly says 1Co 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not a communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not a communion of the body of Christ?
1Co 10:17 seeing that we, who are many, are one bread, one body: for we are all partake of the one bread.

We are one bread.............its the same as ..........Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it; and he gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body

What is true for the one, is true for the other.

Either the "one bread" is spiritual and so the rest are spiritual as well, or it is not.

Hello Cornelius,

I'm not sure why you refer to 'literal and spiritual' when I said 'first comes the physical and then the spiritual?'

You seem to be drawing a distinction between 'literal and spiritual' instead. Please clarify? To what are you referring to in saying 'what is true for the one is true for the other?'

blessings brother

What I mean is if you say that Jesus it literally talking about His flesh as in meat here, then you have to also believe that we are indeed a bread. In this case, we cannot use one argument like "It is literally His "meat" " and not apply it to "We ARE one bread"

We are one bread.............its the same as ..........Mat 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it; and he gave to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body

Is that more clear ?

 

[Cornelius]

Mysteryman wrote:

When you eat literal bread, that is exactly what you are doing -- eating something literally. < This is not eating spiritually !

It has spiritual implication, yes. If you eat literal bread, and call it spiritual, then you are eating from the tables of devils !

Spiritual is spiritual and literal is literal -- Both can have spiritual implications , and both can be eating and drinking from the table of devils.

Christians are to walk by faith and not by sight. If you can eat something literally, then you can see , taste and touch it. < It's literal ! Not spiritual !

Spiritual can not be seen, tasted, or touched by our five senses ! If it can, then it is only because of the spiritual implications, which are devilish !

Jesus Christ did this once as an example for his disciples to remember. The bread and wine were literal, and had a spiritual implication/application. When Jesus broke the bread, it represented his broken body that would suffer for the sins of all mankind. When he used the cup as an example. He passed it around to his disciples, and the cup came back to Jesus empty. Jesus held up the cup and indicated that this empty cup is my shed blood for you. Meaning that his body was going to be emptied of his blood.

If you do a literal Lord's supper, you show his death until his return. Showing his death , is not showing others that his death is not who Jesus was. Jesus said - "I am the resurrection and the life" !

Stop eating at the table of devils, and start living your life as an example of Jesus being the resurrection and the life !!

Hi Mysteryman,

In these discussions I avoid the use of four words like: 'literal, represents, symbolises, and spiritualises' when Jesus says 'this is My body' and 'this is My blood.'

The interpretive affect of these words can be seen and compared with the actual words of Jesus>>>>

>>>>for the bread
this is literally My body ------cf--- this is My body.
this represents My body -----cf--- this is My body.
this symbolises My body -----cf--- this is My body.
this spiritualises My body ----cf--- this is My body.

>>>>for the cup ditto
this is literally My blood -----cf--- this is My blood.
this represents My blood -----cf--- this is My blood.
this symbolises My blood -----cf--- this is My blood.
this spiritualises My blood ----cf--- this is My blood.

I noticed the word 'represented' (represents) crept in to your reply - you don't need that word and Jesus never used it.

blessings brother

Good way to answer, except that you are taking those words and viewing them by themselves and not in context with the whole revelation of the Bible. We are told not to do that, because Psa 119:160 The sum of thy word is truth; and not just one verse or concept. You have to add to your understanding that Jesus always spoke in parables to the masses Mat 13:34 All these things spake Jesus in parables unto the multitudes; and without a parable spake he nothing unto them:

Now either God made a mistake there and should not have written "nothing" when it was not so, or we have to adjust our thinking and accept that as truth and all this will be cleared up.

I truly, truly understand why no Catholic is allowed to think outside their box. You will not be able to understand what I am saying, you will HAVE to find a way around it (and you will ) because of the simple fact that if I am correct (and I am) than the RCC has a wrong take on it. And that possibility is too terrible for a Catholic to even ponder. So you guys WILL fight to preserve your doctrine. I really understand it, sad as it is. This is not just a Catholic thing, most people will defend their denominational views to the bitter end,

 

[Mysteryman]

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My flesh is real food. My blood is real drink.

Cannibalism ?

Christianity.

John 6
54Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in him.

Luke 22
19And he took bread, gave thanks and broke it, and gave it to them, saying, "This is my body given for you; do this in remembrance of me." 20In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

1 Cor 10
16Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?

1 Cor 11
27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself[/quote]



HI Chester

Christianity believes that we are that one bread. We no longer take part, we now partake. We are the body of Christ, we are that one bread ! We no longer take in, we now give out.

Christians are to no longer eat the Lord's supper ! < I Corinth. 11:20-"this is not to eat the Lord's supper"

Bless

 

[Cornelius]

1Co 11:20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord's supper:
1Co 11:21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

You should quote the context

 

[Mysteryman]

1Co 11:20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord's supper:
1Co 11:21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

You should quote the context

Hi C.

Context does not stop at verse 21 !

But neither does the context contradict verse 20 !

 

[chestertonrules]

1Co 11:20 When therefore ye assemble yourselves together, it is not possible to eat the Lord's supper:
1Co 11:21 for in your eating each one taketh before other his own supper; and one is hungry, and another is drunken.

You should quote the context

You should quote the context. Paul is telling them that if they don't behave properly and with the correct reverence that their communion is invalid. He reminds them that they are partaking of the body and blood of Jesus and that they must treat this sacrament with the solemnity that it deserves.

1 Cor 11
17In the following directives I have no praise for you, for your meetings do more harm than good. 18In the first place, I hear that when you come together as a church, there are divisions among you, and to some extent I believe it. 19No doubt there have to be differences among you to show which of you have God's approval. 20When you come together, it is not the Lord's Supper you eat, 21for as you eat, each of you goes ahead without waiting for anybody else. One remains hungry, another gets drunk. 22Don't you have homes to eat and drink in? Or do you despise the church of God and humiliate those who have nothing? What shall I say to you? Shall I praise you for this? Certainly not!
23For I received from the Lord what I also passed on to you: The Lord Jesus, on the night he was betrayed, took bread, 24and when he had given thanks, he broke it and said, "This is my body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of me." 25In the same way, after supper he took the cup, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood; do this, whenever you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

27Therefore, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28A man ought to examine himself before he eats of the bread and drinks of the cup. 29For anyone who eats and drinks without recognizing the body of the Lord eats and drinks judgment on himself.

 

[Cornelius]

No it does not contradict it, it just do not say what you say it is saying

 

[Mysteryman]

No it does not contradict it, it just do not say what you say it is saying

Hi C.

Which tells me that you prefer your own private interpretation, instead of the truth. I Corinth. 11:20 is a clear verse of scripture !

Not to eat, means "Not to eat" !

 

[Cornelius]

Have it your way brother.

 

[glorydaz]

1Co 10:21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of demons: ye cannot partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.

So demons also has a cup to drink from. If the Lord's cup is His real blood, their cup must be their real blood.
Please explain and please do not tell me it has something to do with real sacrifices for demons by unbelievers, because the Bible is not shallow. Paul is definitely making a comparison between the blood of Christ and the blood of demons.

I will give the link, before this gets all muddled up.

The cup of demons are : 1Ti 4:1 But the Spirit saith expressly, that in later times some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons,

The cup of the Lord is the New Covenant: Luk 22:20 And the cup in like manner after supper, saying, This cup is the new covenant in my blood, even that which is poured out for you.

1)The Lord's cup represents the New Covenant
2)The cup of demons represents doctrines that is in the church, that were added by men, through the inspiration of demons.

One brings life eternal, and the other brings death. So, if drinking the REAL blood and eating the REAL flesh of Jesus would be able to save us, then we would really not have to be worried about the "cup of demons" ..but we have to worry about that, because it is presented to us most every day and many in the church indeed drink from it.

:amen