Eternal hell with new creation?

[T. E. Smith]

The new creation theme in the Bible does not seem to go with the notion of an eternal hell. Isaiah 55 and Romans 8 teach God's renewal of the world into perfection. It is said that in the future, Christ will be "all in all." It does not seem to make sense for God's new creation, then, to have an eternal torture chamber in it. In the new creation, God returns the world to its state before sin. How can Hell be part of that intent? How can Christ be all in all, with unbelievers tortured forever?

 

[jasonc]

But never put into ones body is what he showed.

You allow plasma .

Plasma is mostly watch you need but that's only if you haven't lost too much red blood cells.

Red bloods cell have no DNA ,no nucleus .they are infact former white blood cells.

The blood ban still exists .just wow .

 

[jasonc]

Job begged God to send him down to Sheol. He knew it was the grave. He would never ask to go to a place of eternal suffering.

Again languages have multiple use but since you aren't fkuent in Hebrew to know that from the culture .

Translators must speak it .you learn Koine Greek ,speak it ,write it .hold conversation.
I met a paralegal who said as she knrw Koine Greek about hades.they suggest reading the classics .

Why on earth would the nt writers confuse us when they know that fact ?

I get some words don't match but sheol and Hades have. Way more then the pit or grave .

Oel and queber In Koine Greek .

 

[jasonc]

I'm out ,this man only knows his talking points and is too far indoctrinated in the pioneer way .

The jw don't read their Bible but memorize arguments .

They don't read genesis in context from chapter to chapter .they use books on what they doctrine says and use eiseigis to back it up .

 

[keiw1]

You allow plasma .

Plasma is mostly watch you need but that's only if you haven't lost too much red blood cells.

Red bloods cell have no DNA ,no nucleus .they are infact former white blood cells.

The blood ban still exists .just wow .

I believe my teachers that Jesus appointed

 

[keiw1]

Again languages have multiple use but since you aren't fkuent in Hebrew to know that from the culture .

Translators must speak it .you learn Koine Greek ,speak it ,write it .hold conversation.
I met a paralegal who said as she knrw Koine Greek about hades.they suggest reading the classics .

Why on earth would the nt writers confuse us when they know that fact ?

I get some words don't match but sheol and Hades have. Way more then the pit or grave .

Oel and queber In Koine Greek .

Every scholar on earth knows Sheol= Hades= the grave.

 

[Prycejosh1987]

All sins are committed eternally, and have eternal impacts. Once someone steals from you even if they returned what they stole it would effect the subjects mind throughout his entire life. Lust effects the choices of a person for the rest of their life. Drunken behaviour effects a persons mentality for the rest of their life. These are 3 examples of sins, offensive to God which have eternal natures. As God eternally exists sin is always offensive to Him, and has eternal effects. Until we repent and believe in Jesus as a Jewish sacrifice in the form of a precious lamb.

 

[Mark51]

The new creation theme in the Bible does not seem to go with the notion of an eternal hell. Isaiah 55 and Romans 8 teach God's renewal of the world into perfection. It is said that in the future, Christ will be "all in all." It does not seem to make sense for God's new creation, then, to have an eternal torture chamber in it. In the new creation, God returns the world to its state before sin. How can Hell be part of that intent? How can Christ be all in all, with unbelievers tortured forever?

The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Some translations use she’ohl´ (Hebrew) and its equivalent hai´des, (Greek) which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind. “Hades” is the ancient mythical Greek name for their “god“of the “underworld.” Also, Gehenna (Greek), was used as a symbol of eternal destruction. Furthermore, modern translators of the Bible have nurtured this doctrine by not rendering an accurate translation of these words within the various editions of the Bible; these same translators are not even consistent in their different applications in the various contexts of the scriptures.

The ancient Babylonian and Assyrian have been identified mostly as the ancient peoples whose religious beliefs of a “nether world…place of horrors” gave birth to this fallacy. The ancient Egyptian added to this with a “fiery aspect.” Buddhism, in time, evolved a concept of “hot and cold hells.” Sadly, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

God warned the human families’ first parents what the results for disobedience would be: death and returning to dust. (Genesis. 2:17; 3:19) Other than the conditions that imperfection brings, no other conditions were given as a warning to be imposed after death. Apostle Paul counseled that death acquits us of our sins; furthermore, he stated that the wages for sin is death-nothing else. (Romans 6:7, 23; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10; Psalms 146:3, 4) Theological doctrine as “Hell/Hades.” is only one of Satan (Opposer) the Devil’s (Slanderer) ploys to mislead many. (Revelation 12:9) Remember that he is the “father of the lie” and the god of this system of things. (John 8:44; 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 6:11; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:19) The correct translations are the common grave or pit. (Job 17:16; 34:15; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Isaiah 14:11) These are only a few scriptures comforting us of the condition of the dead.

 

[GodsGrace]

The word “hell” is found in many Bible translations. In the same verses other translations read “the grave,” “the world of the dead,” and so forth. Some translations use she’ohl´ (Hebrew) and its equivalent hai´des, (Greek) which refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind. “Hades” is the ancient mythical Greek name for their “god“of the “underworld.” Also, Gehenna (Greek), was used as a symbol of eternal destruction. Furthermore, modern translators of the Bible have nurtured this doctrine by not rendering an accurate translation of these words within the various editions of the Bible; these same translators are not even consistent in their different applications in the various contexts of the scriptures.

The ancient Babylonian and Assyrian have been identified mostly as the ancient peoples whose religious beliefs of a “nether world…place of horrors” gave birth to this fallacy. The ancient Egyptian added to this with a “fiery aspect.” Buddhism, in time, evolved a concept of “hot and cold hells.” Sadly, both in Christendom and in many non-Christian religions it is taught that hell is a place inhabited by demons and where the wicked, after death, are punished (and some believe that this is with torment).

God warned the human families’ first parents what the results for disobedience would be: death and returning to dust. (Genesis. 2:17; 3:19) Other than the conditions that imperfection brings, no other conditions were given as a warning to be imposed after death. Apostle Paul counseled that death acquits us of our sins; furthermore, he stated that the wages for sin is death-nothing else. (Romans 6:7, 23; Ecclesiastes 9:5, 6, 10; Psalms 146:3, 4) Theological doctrine as “Hell/Hades.” is only one of Satan (Opposer) the Devil’s (Slanderer) ploys to mislead many. (Revelation 12:9) Remember that he is the “father of the lie” and the god of this system of things. (John 8:44; 12:31; 2 Corinthians 4:4; Ephesians 6:11; 1 Peter 5:8; 1 John 5:19) The correct translations are the common grave or pit. (Job 17:16; 34:15; Psalms 146:4; Ecclesiastes 3:20; Isaiah 14:11) These are only a few scriptures comforting us of the condition of the dead.

Agreed on above.

So do we just disappear after death?