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[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is incompatible with the Bible

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SyntaxVorlon said:
Yeah, if it weren't some apple being eaten, animals wouldn't reproduce.

:B-fly: animals would reproduce the way God had it planned. They would
not be out of balance with nature like they are today.
When the world is out of control,every living creation is affected by it.

Psalm 10:3-4 The man greedy for gain curses and renounces The Lord. In the pride of his countenance,the wicked does not seek him;all his
thoughts are,"There is no God"
 
cubedbee said:
blueeyeliner said:
cubedbee said:
So, basically, if God created us with the intention to not physically die, then he could not have intended us to reproduce because the world would have been shortly overrun by life. Since God certainly did create us with sex organs, we can infer that he always intended us to reproduce. This logical fact, combined with what God actually says in the creation account, makes it quite certain that physical death was part of God's original creation.

:B-fly: What folly!!!
God said to be fruitful and multiply,but when he said this,he meant to do it
in an orderly way,not go out and fornicate and commit sin to do it!!!
Do you think the abortion clinics control population? I don't think they do,when teenage mother's are everywhere you look today!!!
I am sure that the world would not be as populated as it is today if people
had listened to God. Sex without the benefit of marriage wouldn't exist!!!

You are wrong. Adam and Eve had three male children that we know about. Let's say that 3 children would be the average for a family. Now, each of Adam and Eve's 3 children would have had 3 children. Each of these 9 children would have 3 children of their own. Each generation would triple in population.

:B-fly: You are wrong! People would not have had to spend their whole
lives reproducing!!!
If you think what you wrote is true,you believe man,not God!!!
There would not be sin controling the world,and people would live in
balance. The world still holds all the people it has now,so if The world were
in right standing with God,there would be much less people in it,because the children would not be illegitimate,and marriage would be between one man and one woman. There are plenty of pologymists around today who have alot of kids,and there is no sign that this is going to stop at this time.
A Godly man has only one wife,not more than one.
If the world can handle all the people it has today,then what are you trying
to claim?
when people obey God,the world is in balance,not the opposite.
We have not known a world yet,where all people obey God.
When you take out the wicked in the world,the population naturally drops!
 
blue, what can't you understand about this? The world would have vastly more people on it because nobody who ever lived would have died. All our grandparents and great granparents and great great grandparents and great great great grandparents and etc. etc. would still be alive right now. That's billions upon billions of extra people that would be on this planet if God had not created it with physical death.
 
cubedbee said:
blue, what can't you understand about this? The world would have vastly more people on it because nobody who ever lived would have died. All our grandparents and great granparents and great great grandparents and great great great grandparents and etc. etc. would still be alive right now. That's billions upon billions of extra people that would be on this planet if God had not created it with physical death.

:B-fly: I believe personally that God is in control. I don't know what you think that be fruitful and multiply meant,but to me it meant to fill the earth with people to a certain point. I don't believe that all the people on earth today would be here if sin had not come into the world.
God knows how to control his creation. Carnal flesh has no control. Even with abortion,children are still concieved all the time to unwed mothers.
The world is full of lost people. The true christians are the rare people on earth. If people lived forever,would there be a need for more and more people to fill the earth?
Do you believe that all people would have children?
Do you believe that God would have no control on the population?
The Bible says that death is caused by sin,not by God.
Do you believe that God couldn't have made the world big enough to support so many people if he had wanted.
I believe people would be much more civilized than they are today if sin
had not come into the world,and people would be much more patient about marriage and having families,ect....
God is in control,and he knows everything,unlike fallen man who thinks he is smarter than God.
 
I believe personally that God is in control. I don't know what you think that be fruitful and multiply meant,but to me it meant to fill the earth with people to a certain point.
To what point? God didn't tell us it was a temporary command. He didn't tell us to be fruitful for a while and then stop. God's commands are eternal.
blueeyeliner said:
If people lived forever,would there be a need for more and more people to fill the earth?
No, there would not be.
Do you believe that all people would have children?
If they wanted to obey God's command to be fruitful and multiply they would.
Do you believe that God would have no control on the population?
Yes, God has control over the population. But what exactly can God do to control the population? He can either 1) Limit the number of births. However, this isn't what he did with his command to be fruitful and multiply. Or he can 2) Take people from this Earth. The way he does this is death. How else is God going to control the population?
The Bible says that death is caused by sin,not by God.
Once again, it is spiritual death. We are all spiritually dead sinners who are in need of Jesus Christ to give us life.
Do you believe that God couldn't have made the world big enough to support so many people if he had wanted.
He certainly could have, but he didn't. The world he did create for us has limits on how many people can live in it.
I believe people would be much more civilized than they are today if sin
had not come into the world,and people would be much more patient about marriage and having families,ect....
Yes, I believe this too. That is why my assumptions are very conservative. I assumed that people didn't settle down and have kids until they were 100 years old. I would call that patient and civilized.
 
Quath said:
ThinkerMan said:
"logically consistent WITH me" ....I'm sure that is a typo Quath, but it made me laugh.
Heh a type. :oops:

blueeyeliner said:
Sounds like death entered into the world the same time sin did!!!
Did plants have seeds and grow? If so, they would have taken over the garden unless they could die. Could we digest food without bacteria in our intestines? If the bacteria could not die, they would fill us up until we could no longer pass food. Did God magically change animals to be meat eaters and gave them sharp teeth that were bad for plants?

Where there is no death, there can be no growth. (Cubedbee pointed this out on another thread.)

Quath

:B-fly: Does anyone here besides God know what the human body was like before age began to take over? Sin changed the condition of the human body,it had to in order to cause it to eventually die,even though it was originally meant to live forever,and you can still tell this is true by the
design of the heart and all the organs and muscles in the body.
Sin did horrible things to the human body. I have not seen many plants have to die to produce seeds. Some of them may die,but not all of them.
some plants are annuals,some are bi-annuals,and some are perienials that come back every year.
I have house plants they have not died,but they reproduce,like my huge Aloe- Vera plant.
If you were not there in the Garden of Eden,then you don't know the original state of all the living creation of God.
Sin had to have taken it's toll on the whole world to some degree. Adam and Eve would have to get the food from the earth by working,when before,they had all the food they needed in the Garden of Eden. The earth was changed,and it produced thorns,ect.....
Man had to work by the sweat of his brow to have food after he sinned against God. To this day,food still has to come from the earth and the animals.
When things changed,God made another way so that people could survive in their new physical and mental condition. Sin caused death,and death is an enemy of all creation. Why is death an enemy if people were already
destined to die in the beginning?
Man kind was not created for death.
satan wants us to die and he wants to make sure that most if not all people die before they are saved.
satan is jealous of us,and satan will do anything he can to hurt God.
satan is the greatest liar of all liars,and he knows he is going to end up in the lake of fire,the place that was made just for him.
when a person saved and believes in God, satan goes out of his way to steal their new found faith and joy.
satan desires that people be unhappy,and he wants people to denie God because he has nothing to gain any longer. He lost his right standing with God,and he is still blinded by his own sick & twisted love for himself.
He fell in love with his own beauty.
God could have destroyed satan right away,but God is letting the devil destroy his own self. satan is going learn that his way will naturally cause him harm,and his way is wrong.It is doubtful he repents of his ways,but at least he will see for himself that it was not God that caused his demise,it is evil itself that destroys.
We are all created by God,and God could have destroyed his creation,yet he loved it instead,and he has been very patient. So patient that scoffers don't believe that Jesus is coming back anymore.
 
blueeyeliner said:
Are you aware that nature is not as pure or as good as it once was?

i would like to know when the last time you saw real nature

nature is just the way that it has to be

unlike what you might want to think it should be

we came from it just like the animals we are

i hope the truth is not to hard to take
 
50 said:
blueeyeliner said:
Are you aware that nature is not as pure or as good as it once was?

i would like to know when the last time you saw real nature

nature is just the way that it has to be

unlike what you might want to think it should be

we came from it just like the animals we are

i hope the truth is not to hard to take

The truth is you've been duped by satan, friend. God created man in His own image by a direct act about 6,000 years ago just like the Bible says. You'd better cast aside those foolish notions and turn to the living God. God's word says that in the last days their will be sent a strong delusion because people willing reject the truth so He let's them believe a lie. If you think apes and humans have a common ancestor, then you have bought into a lie.
 
God created man in His own image by a direct act about 6,000 years ago just like the Bible says

Wouldn't you say that image is remarkably similar to the image of other primates? Within the landscape of the world, compared all other life, don't we look very similar to other primates?

Also noteworthy is that we share more DNA with primates then with any other form of life on earth.

Are these primates also made in God's image? I mean, does "God's image" mean a physical form or something different?

And if we do look so much like we have decended from a common ancestor, why did God create them to give us that doubt?
 
even though it was originally meant to live forever,and you can still tell this is true by the design of the heart and all the organs and muscles in the body.
What we can see from the human body (in fact in any device with moving parts) is that they wear out. It doesn't matter what you eat, how much excercise you do or how pure a life you lead the body will start to break down. If Adam and Eve were humans as we are today (which they would have to be if we are meant to be decended from them) then they would have aged and therefore suffered the same age related problems that we see. The perfect human is still human and therefore still mortal.
In fact we see life expectancy increase as the environment improves, with proper shelter, food, medicine, excercise etc. We have people in africa living in basic conditions in a harsh environment with a life expectancy of 40, compared to people in the west with a life expectancy almost double that. From the story of Adam and Eve we know they had no medicine, shelter, sanitation or easy food supply, so which end of the scale do they seem to fit into? And yet we are expected to believe ages in the Bible of 600-900 years?

God created man in His own image
I've always wondered about that, how is a humaniod form in Gods image? The majority of the stories talk of God as a omni-present spirit rather than having a form. On the occasions he is mentioned in a physical form we have pillars of fire or smoke, burning bushes and beams of lights. We don't seem to match that image... what was really meant?

Adam and Eve would have to get the food from the earth by working,when before,they had all the food they needed in the Garden of Eden.
Theres a population of 2 and they would have to work to make food? They were doing fine off fruit trees and water before. Farming would not be necassary until there was a sizeable population to support. Its one of the things that allows humans to expand our population beyond what the environment should allow, by changing that environment to suit us. We can irrigate, farm, distribute and create more food than would be possible without technology. Adam and Eve wouldn't have required it, but they also wouldn't have had the knowledge to survive (having never made shelter, hunted, fended off predators, dealt with injuries/sickness or had to fend for themselves in anyway, they would have lacked the basic skills to live let alone raise a family).

Sin did horrible things to the human body.
Yet we see no difference in life expectancy between Christians and non-Christians (or between any religious group), so those who are the most pure and good (by anyones description) people die at the same ages as those who are evil.
Wasn't it said that we are not judged by our actions, it is only the belief in Christ which gets you into heaven? (therefore the more pure atheist would burn in hell while a slack Christian will enter heaven).
We don't see evil people suffering more accidents, getting more illness or having shorter lives. We don't see a relationship between the amount of sin and the life expectancy of people.
 
mhess13 said:
50 said:
blueeyeliner said:
Are you aware that nature is not as pure or as good as it once was?

i would like to know when the last time you saw real nature

nature is just the way that it has to be

unlike what you might want to think it should be

we came from it just like the animals we are

i hope the truth is not to hard to take

The truth is you've been duped by satan, friend.

i have to a say in 62 years i have never been called that

i was in what was called green hell by those who were there

plz tell me if you know what i mean

unless you dont know what i mean
 
50 said:
mhess13 said:
50 said:
blueeyeliner said:
Are you aware that nature is not as pure or as good as it once was?

i would like to know when the last time you saw real nature

nature is just the way that it has to be

unlike what you might want to think it should be

we came from it just like the animals we are

i hope the truth is not to hard to take

The truth is you've been duped by satan, friend.

i have to a say in 62 years i have never been called that

i was in what was called green hell by those who were there

plz tell me if you know what i mean

unless you dont know what i mean
No comprende amigo.
 
Contradiction, anyone?

blueeyeliner said:
I believe personally that God is in control.

blueeyeliner said:
There would not be sin controling the world,and people would live in
balance.

Hmmmm.............

I don't know what you think that be fruitful and multiply meant,but to me it meant to fill the earth with people to a certain point.

God didn't set a quota, it doesn't say "be fruitful and multiply until your population is X"
 
blueeyeliner said:
Sounds like death entered into the world the same time sin did!!!
Did plants have seeds and grow? If so, they would have taken over the garden unless they could die. Could we digest food without bacteria in our intestines? If the bacteria could not die, they would fill us up until we could no longer pass food. Did God magically change animals to be meat eaters and gave them sharp teeth that were bad for plants?

Where there is no death, there can be no growth. (Cubedbee pointed this out on another thread.)

Quath[/quote]

:B-fly: Death was not originally part of the plan,but God in his great mercy created a way to save us.
 
cubedbee said:
I believe personally that God is in control. I don't know what you think that be fruitful and multiply meant,but to me it meant to fill the earth with people to a certain point.
To what point? God didn't tell us it was a temporary command. He didn't tell us to be fruitful for a while and then stop. God's commands are eternal.
blueeyeliner said:
If people lived forever,would there be a need for more and more people to fill the earth?
No, there would not be.
[quote:8126e]
Do you believe that all people would have children?
If they wanted to obey God's command to be fruitful and multiply they would.
Do you believe that God would have no control on the population?
Yes, God has control over the population. But what exactly can God do to control the population? He can either 1) Limit the number of births. However, this isn't what he did with his command to be fruitful and multiply. Or he can 2) Take people from this Earth. The way he does this is death. How else is God going to control the population?
The Bible says that death is caused by sin,not by God.
[/quote:8126e]
Once again, it is spiritual death. We are all spiritually dead sinners who are in need of Jesus Christ to give us life.
:B-fly: Again,you are interpreting what you wish out of the scriptures.
If God said that sin caused death to enter the world,he means death period!!!
All death came through sin!
The spirit is willing,but the flesh is weak! It is the body that is weak,and it is the body that dies.
When God changes the world in the book of Isaiah where it mentions a new Heavens and a New Earth,it tells us that people will live at least one hundred years old,and at 100 yrs. old,one will be considered a youth.
We are in desperate need of Christ Jesus to save us because of our weak flesh. It is our weak flesh that gets us to sin.
 
50 said:
blueeyeliner said:
Are you aware that nature is not as pure or as good as it once was?

i would like to know when the last time you saw real nature

nature is just the way that it has to be

unlike what you might want to think it should be

we came from it just like the animals we are

i hope the truth is not to hard to take

:B-fly: I live in the country and we have many animals and pets.
The truth is only revealed to God's children who are walking in the light.
Those who do not desire the truth won't ever accept it when they hear it.
They would much rather turn to fables and fairytales when the truth is
to painful for them to handle.
You may believe that what you think is true is reality,but thats not the truth to me.
Nature was alot more pure in the beginning before pollution,and chemicals,and abuse of nature began to happen.
It is a miracle nature is still reproducing.
God is good all the time,amen.
 
blue, everyone but you knows that I am right on this issue. I have no need to continue arguing with you. God could not have intended both sex/reproduction and immortality when he created us. Since he did create us to reproduce, he did not create us to live forever. Once again, you are saying that your narrowminded interpretation of the Scriptures is the only correct one, regardless of the logical inconsistencies that interpetation brings. I have literally never seen you admit that you are wrong, and so it is useless for me to argue any further.
 
blueeyeliner said:
Death was not originally part of the plan,but God in his great mercy created a way to save us.
If death was not part of His plan, then neither was reproduction. Imagine people kept on having kids until there were 100 billion humans. Or until there were 100 billion billion. At some people, God would have to turn off reproduction or there would be no room to move. He would also have to turn off reproduction for bacteria, plants and animals. Without death, you have to turn off growth.

Quath
 
don't forget about the other planets. Humans were different at first, they were intended to reproduce, obviously, that means the earth would become full. There are other planets. This is just my idea, but I think that humans would have migrated to other planets when the earth became full. think of all the places in the universe, it would take eternity to fill it up with people :wink: .
 
Droopfeather said:
don't forget about the other planets. Humans were different at first, they were intended to reproduce, obviously, that means the earth would become full. There are other planets. This is just my idea, but I think that humans would have migrated to other planets when the earth became full. think of all the places in the universe, it would take eternity to fill it up with people :wink: .
That is a very good point. Since the size of the universe could be infinity, we could have unlimited growth. However, it would be awkward. Like say a galaxy is full. In a generation, the population doubles and you need to move half the people to a new galaxy.

Quath
 
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