[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is incompatible with the Bible

[Guest]

Blue:

The Dead Sea Scrolls are OT texts, not NT. You did not address Heathen's point with that strawman argument.

Just an aside, how can you trust how old the Dead Sea Scrolls are if you don't trust carbon dating. Heck, they could have been written and hidden there by the shepard who found them, if carbin dating isn't to be trusted.

Heathen's point is true, there are no eyewitnesses to Jesus in the NT.

:Fade-color Not only are their witnesses in the New Testament,but there
are still witnesses today,amen. But lets take a look see at the ones
that are not in the bible,shall we?
http://www.bibleviews.com/non-biblical.html

 

[Wertbag]

A great book I just ordered and am now reading that exposes
evolution as an ancient religious practice is called: "The Long War
Against God" by Henry Morris
read it,very interesting material indeed,and he researched this very
well,amen.

Thats one of the reasons I enjoy the research and debates, theres always so much to read and learn. To ever have a complete answer you'd have to be a geologist, biologist, physist, botonist, engineer and every other school of science you can name. After a decade of looking into all related subjects I've barely scratched the surface...

Fossils prove only one thing next to God and that would be "GLOBAL-FLOOD"

The fossils are sorted based on the ages as described by evolution, you don't find dinosaurs near the surface and don't find modern cows deep in the rock. Its not sorted by weight, its not all jumbled randomly together (as you'd expect in a flood).

 

[Guest]

A great book I just ordered and am now reading that exposes
evolution as an ancient religious practice is called: "The Long War
Against God" by Henry Morris
read it,very interesting material indeed,and he researched this very
well,amen.

Thats one of the reasons I enjoy the research and debates, theres always so much to read and learn. To ever have a complete answer you'd have to be a geologist, biologist, physist, botonist, engineer and every other school of science you can name. After a decade of looking into all related subjects I've barely scratched the surface...

[quote:7d965]Fossils prove only one thing next to God and that would be "GLOBAL-FLOOD"

The fossils are sorted based on the ages as described by evolution, you don't find dinosaurs near the surface and don't find modern cows deep in the rock. Its not sorted by weight, its not all jumbled randomly together (as you'd expect in a flood).[/quote:7d965]

:P then you might like more information.
http://www.watchmanmag.com/0204/020419.htm
http://evolution-facts.org/default.htm
http://lionofjudah.tribulationforces.co ... ience.html
http://www.proving-it.com/
Good stuff.

I don't think after that many hundreds of years,any cows would be in
the same shape they were in when they drowned,do you?
I am sure their weight is alot less now. Aren't you?

 

[Asimov]

Yep',you are right,because evolution cannot be proven and it's
also very religious.

No, evolution cannot be proven, but it's not religious.

Fossils prove that the earth is not very old,and so do tree's!

Show us how this is true

 

[Asimov]

Tree's show their age in how many rings they have.
There are tree's that can live hundreds of years,but none that
live for billions.

Wow....

Also,there are burning Bushes in Israel that ignite by themselves
when the sun is too hot on them,in case you desired to know.
Also,check out the fish that love to swallow shiny objects near
where the disciple of Jesus Christ collected the coins to pay the
taxes. It's all good.

HOw does this prove a young earth? You area piece of work, blue. The amount of ignorance...no, it's not ignorance. Ignorance is not done purposely. Blind stupidity, you have no idea what you're talking about, yet you seem to think you make a good argument?

 

[Asimov]

A great book I just ordered and am now reading that exposes
evolution as an ancient religious practice is called: "The Long War
Against God" by Henry Morris
read it,very interesting material indeed,and he researched this very
well,amen.

Henry Morris doesn't know ANYTHING about Evolutionary Theory. If you can find one true thing he says about Evolution, I'll eat my hat.

Fossils prove only one thing next to God and that would be "GLOBAL-
FLOOD"

How do they prove a global flood?

 

[Guest]

A great book I just ordered and am now reading that exposes
evolution as an ancient religious practice is called: "The Long War
Against God" by Henry Morris
read it,very interesting material indeed,and he researched this very
well,amen.

Henry Morris doesn't know ANYTHING about Evolutionary Theory. If you can find one true thing he says about Evolution, I'll eat my hat.

:P For real? Yes!!! Get to eating because Henry Morris did his research
amen & amen.

 

[Guest]

A great book I just ordered and am now reading that exposes
evolution as an ancient religious practice is called: "The Long War
Against God" by Henry Morris
read it,very interesting material indeed,and he researched this very
well,amen.

Henry Morris doesn't know ANYTHING about Evolutionary Theory. If you can find one true thing he says about Evolution, I'll eat my hat.

Fossils prove only one thing next to God and that would be "GLOBAL-
FLOOD"

How do they prove a global flood?

8-) Something to choke down your hat with: http://bible-history.com/empires/
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/ab ... m35_3.html

 

[Guest]

Yep',you are right,because evolution cannot be proven and it's
also very religious.

No, evolution cannot be proven, but it's not religious.

Fossils prove that the earth is not very old,and so do tree's!

Show us how this is true

:wink: The hard facts are that it came from ancient pagan religions
and it shouldn't surprise people that it is still part of many religions
to this very day. Darwin most likely discovered it through this route.
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-234.htm
and evolution takes faith to believe in it.
http://evolution-facts.org/default.htm
http://lionofjudah.tribulationforces.co ... ience.html
http://biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htm
http://www.csinfo.org/Evolution_Bible.htm
http://www.theexaminer.org/volume5/number3/bible.htm

 

[cubedbee]

Yep',you are right,because evolution cannot be proven and it's
also very religious.

No, evolution cannot be proven, but it's not religious.

Fossils prove that the earth is not very old,and so do tree's!

Show us how this is true

:wink: The hard facts are that it came from ancient pagan religions
and it shouldn't surprise people that it is still part of many religions
to this very day. Darwin most likely discovered it through this route.
http://www.icr.org/pubs/imp/imp-234.htm
and evolution takes faith to believe in it.
http://evolution-facts.org/default.htm
http://lionofjudah.tribulationforces.co ... ience.html
http://biblicalstudies.info/top10/schoville.htm
http://www.csinfo.org/Evolution_Bible.htm
http://www.theexaminer.org/volume5/number3/bible.htm

I believe in evolution and the only faith I have is faith in Christ Jesus. You're a liar.

 

[Wertbag]

The hard facts are that it came from ancient pagan religions
and it shouldn't surprise people that it is still part of many religions
to this very day.

The source doesn't make it religious, its still a scientific theory with no relationship to religion. It would be like saying if McDonalds was owned by Hindus then eating there makes you a hindu... just completely unrelated.

I don't think after that many hundreds of years,any cows would be in
the same shape they were in when they drowned,do you?
I am sure their weight is alot less now. Aren't you?

If everything drowned at the same time (dinosaurs, humans, animals) then we should not see order in the fossil record, it would be all jumbled up randomly, this is not the case. One of the claims was the heavier creatures would be on the bottom with the smaller ones above (hence dinosaurs first and mammals later), yet we see prehistoric mammals always below modern mammals, and the smaller dinosaurs aren't near the top.
Therefore its easy to see the order and thereby the age of creatures. The fossil record is exactly what we'd expect from an ancient planet, and doesn't support a global flood.

 

[ThinkerMan]

The hard facts are that it came from ancient pagan religions
and it shouldn't surprise people that it is still part of many religions
to this very day.

vs.

Darwin most likely discovered it through this route.

Another contradiction in two consecutive sentences.

If it has always been part of "many religions", how could Darwin have "discovered" it?

 

[Asimov]

:P For real? Yes!!! Get to eating because Henry Morris did his research
amen & amen.

blue....saying that doesn't make it true. You need to provide something of substance.

 

[Asimov]

8-) Something to choke down your hat with: http://bible-history.com/empires/
http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/ab ... m35_3.html

Uh...what's your point? This doesn't show anything

The hard facts are that it came from ancient pagan religions
and it shouldn't surprise people that it is still part of many religions
to this very day. Darwin most likely discovered it through this route.

Hard facts??? Hard facts and "most likely" don't go hand in hand blue. Whether or not Darwin was a Satanist and adopted Karl Marx as a brother is irrelevant to the fact that Evolution is true. Darwin's research did not come from discovering pagan religions....it came from field research, testing, and collecting evidence. Then analyzing the evidence and coming to the conclusion that made him write his book.

and evolution takes faith to believe in it.

You are being fed lies, blue. This isn't truth, this is clear-cut deception. And you are spreading it, maybe unintentionally, maybe not. This is the kind of stuff that degrades society.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Sorry I missed your response on this Blue, but I'd like to discuss...

Tree's show their age in how many rings they have.

Excellent...we are agreed.

There are tree's that can live hundreds of years,but none that
live for billions.

Wrong, there are trees that live thousands of years...the bristlecone pines just over the hill from me have some specimens over 4,500 years old, with a continuous ring record back over 12,000 years. Do you disagree?

Secondly, no one claimed that all forms of life lived for billions, where in heck you connected those dots, I have not idea.

Also,there are burning Bushes in Israel that ignite by themselves
when the sun is too hot on them,in case you desired to know.

Neato, I used to do the same things to ants with my magnifying glass...but actually that sounds like a pretty ridiculous claim...I'd appreciate a source on that (besides the obvious one with Moses).

Also,check out the fish that love to swallow shiny objects near
where the disciple of Jesus Christ collected the coins to pay the
taxes.

I usually fish for trout, but thanks for the offer. Fish to trees may very well be the greatest tangent in the annals of attempted logic. Congratulations.

By the way, perhaps some evidence of these "shiny-object" seeking fish would be great (for the love of Pete, please don't just post 17 random links in support of this).

It's all good.

Actually, you have proven nothing (except that trees don't live a billion years....that one I'll give you).

You need to provide context and support for you positions...if this was a theological argument, you would supply scripture.

In this case, you made a scientific claim (trees prove YEC), yet did not supply "scripture" (ie supporting evidence).

 

[Guest]

The hard facts are that it came from ancient pagan religions
and it shouldn't surprise people that it is still part of many religions
to this very day.

vs.

[quote:58091]Darwin most likely discovered it through this route.

Another contradiction in two consecutive sentences.

If it has always been part of "many religions", how could Darwin have "discovered" it?[/quote:58091]

:roll: The job of a teacher is endless!!! Poor Moses.
Listen this time,o.k? Darwin was educated in theology. He didn't invent
the idea of evolution but I am sure he very well could have found out
about it because he was educated in theology,rather than science.
Most scientists were christian creationist yec's in Darwins day.

 

[Guest]

Sorry I missed your response on this Blue, but I'd like to discuss...

Tree's show their age in how many rings they have.

Excellent...we are agreed.

[quote:37a26]There are tree's that can live hundreds of years,but none that
live for billions.

[/quote:37a26]

Wrong, there are trees that live thousands of years...the bristlecone pines just over the hill from me have some specimens over 4,500 years old, with a continuous ring record back over 12,000 years.

:B-fly: Wrong again my swift and thoughtful friend! There is no such
thing as any kind of tree ever having lived even a billion years.
Even moon dust proves that the world could not possibly be even close
to a billion years,and coal helps prove this too.
There is just no way the earth could be that old.

 

[cubedbee]

:B-fly: Wrong again my swift and thoughtful friend! There is no such
thing as any kind of tree ever having lived even a billion years.

What does that have to do with anything? There are no people who have ever lived even 1,000 years....does that mean the world isn't 1,000 years old? The lifespan of different species have nothing to do with the age of the earth.

 

[ThinkerMan]

Wrong again my swift and thoughtful friend! There is no such
thing as any kind of tree ever having lived even a billion years.

Blue...I said they lived THOUSANDS years. Please read my posts more carefully, I make typos from time to time, but this is exactly what I typed...

Wrong, there are trees that live thousands of years...the bristlecone pines just over the hill from me have some specimens over 4,500 years old,

I said 4,500 years.

Even moon dust proves that the world could not possibly be even close
to a billion years,and coal helps prove this too.

Blue, don't move all over the map. I am discussing trees at this point.

I asked if you disagreed with 4,500 year old trees.

 

[Guest]

Wrong again my swift and thoughtful friend! There is no such
thing as any kind of tree ever having lived even a billion years.

Blue...I said they lived THOUSANDS years. Please read my posts more carefully, I make typos from time to time, but this is exactly what I typed...

Wrong, there are trees that live thousands of years...the bristlecone pines just over the hill from me have some specimens over 4,500 years old,

I said 4,500 years.

[quote:63970]Even moon dust proves that the world could not possibly be even close
to a billion years,and coal helps prove this too.

Blue, don't move all over the map. I am discussing trees at this point.

I asked if you disagreed with 4,500 year old trees.[/quote:63970]

:B-fly: I'm sorry,I have had alot on my mind lately. I guess I
didn't read it right. I agree with you about the tree's.That could
be a possibility.
Sorry about the neglect. I have been worried about my son.
His troop has to go to Iraq soon.