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[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is incompatible with the Bible

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Heathen said:
Saying that is trying to play off of my fear as much as you deny it. Before you start warning me of things I don't even believe in, why don't you prove the Bible to be 100% the word of God?

:B-fly: How can I prove that to you? This is the most personal choice
you will ever make in your life. How can I prove to you what only God
can prove? I can try to point you the right way,but I cannot make you
believe.
I am just saying that I want you to look into it on your own,on your own
time,and research things and really be objective. You don't have to -
believe me. You know you don't believe me,so it shouldn't be a threat
to you just to look into it some more and find out some more things.
I really want you to do this for yourself,after all,it's something no one
can do for you or force you to do because mentally,no one can make
you do anything,thats why salvation is a free choice,and it's a choice
made by mostly free thinkers today more than ever.
 
blueeyeliner said:
mhess13 said:
:I was just getting ready to recommend "The Long War Against God" when I ran across your post. Thats a great book isn't it, blue? I'm about 3/4 of the way through it and I'll tell you what--it's a real eye opener!!

:B-fly: Indeed it is,and I can't wait until I get my copy! I just ordered
it a few days ago.
You are right! I believed you anyway,but nothing like looking it up for
yourself,huh?
There are other sources available but Henry Morris really did the leg
work for most of us in his book. I like this author alot and hope to buy
more of his books. I highly recommend this book too!

About 2 months ago I bought the "Defender's Study Bible" by Henry Morris. WOW! I highly, highly recommend this study Bible.

Dr. Morris is pre-mil, pre-trib and writes extensively in the book of Revelation. He's a little anti-charismatic at times and goes a little easy on the catholic church, but 95% of the time his notes are right on

Do you have a copy? If not, do yourself a favor and get one. They are pretty reasonably priced you can get them for under $50. If you buy from ICR they throw in a CD-ROM with all his notes.
 
mhess13 said:
blueeyeliner said:
mhess13 said:
:I was just getting ready to recommend "The Long War Against God" when I ran across your post. Thats a great book isn't it, blue? I'm about 3/4 of the way through it and I'll tell you what--it's a real eye opener!!

:B-fly: Indeed it is,and I can't wait until I get my copy! I just ordered
it a few days ago.
You are right! I believed you anyway,but nothing like looking it up for
yourself,huh?
There are other sources available but Henry Morris really did the leg
work for most of us in his book. I like this author alot and hope to buy
more of his books. I highly recommend this book too!

About 2 months ago I bought the "Defender's Study Bible" by Henry Morris. WOW! I highly, highly recommend this study Bible.

Dr. Morris is pre-mil, pre-trib and writes extensively in the book of Revelation. He's a little anti-charismatic at times and goes a little easy on the catholic church, but 95% of the time his notes are right on

Do you have a copy? If not, do yourself a favor and get one. They are pretty reasonably priced you can get them for under $50. If you buy from ICR they throw in a CD-ROM with all his notes.

:B-fly: No I haven't seen it yet,but I'll look into it though.
Thanks again,mhess13!!!
 
Heathen said:
blueeyeliner said:
How can I prove that to you?

You cannot. And that is why I'm an Atheist.

:B-fly: WRONG AGAIN!
heathen,you are an atheist by choice and of your own free will,just
like I am a christian by choice and my own free will.
The Bible is evidence to me,and what God has shown me,done for me,
and tells me. You want someone to show you what you claim you cannot
see for yourself. NO ONE CAN SAVE YOU EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST!
you don't accept my evidence for the truth,and that is what God has
revealed to me in my life,The Holy Bible,The Holy Spirit,and the many
witnesses of Jesus Christ who died for their faith in him,when they could
have saved their lives instead. You have to seek God and the truth to
ever find him. Since you haven't yet done this,I don't believe anything
you say,amen.
 
blueeyeliner said:
heathen,you are an atheist by choice and of your own free will,justlike I am a christian by choice and my own free will.
Do you disbelieve in Santa Claus of your own free will? Could you make yourself believe that Santa is a real person if you tried?

Quath
 
heathen,you are an atheist by choice and of your own free will,just
like I am a christian by choice and my own free will.

If that's the case, then what is God's Will? If God is omnipotent and omniscient then not only does he already know I'm headed to hellfire, but he created me that way in the first place; to fulfill his divine plan.

The Bible is evidence to me,

Give me at least something to prove this instead of making a baseless claim without backing it up.

and what God has shown me,done for me, and tells me. You want someone to show you what you claim you cannot
see for yourself. NO ONE CAN SAVE YOU EXCEPT JESUS CHRIST!

You misunderstand me. I'm not asking you to save me, I'm asking you to prove to me that what you claim is correct. Prove to me that I even need saving in the first place. Also, capitalising isn't going to convince me any more that your tactic of repetition does.

you don't accept my evidence for the truth,

Did I hear you say evidence? Sorry, I think I must have missed the part where you provided evidence. Oh, that's because you didn't provide any.

and that is what God has revealed to me in my life,The Holy Bible,The Holy Spirit,

So far you haven't showed me any proof that the Bible is the word of God. You telling me that God has revealed himself to you doesn't prove anything. In fact, funnily enough Muslims, Jews, Wiccans and Hindus say exactly the same. Why are they wrong, and you're right?

and the many witnesses of Jesus Christ who died for their faith in him,when they could have saved their lives instead.

The only first hand place where it says Jesus dies for our sins is in the Bible. The only witness accounts of Jesus dying for our sins are recorded in the Bible. There is no other first hand historical, written evidence of Jesus other than what is in the Bible. None of the historians of the time mention Jesus. Even the Gospels were not written until at least 40-80 years after Jesus' death, and each contradict eachother immensely. Any history book which your Church has told you mentions Jesus is not first hand and is nothing but hearsay.

You have to seek God and the truth to ever find him. Since you haven't yet done this,I don't believe anything you say,amen.

Give me a reason to seek God. Prove to me that if I don't I'm going to buuuuuuurn forever. Because this is something you have yet to do.
 
Quath said:
blueeyeliner said:
heathen,you are an atheist by choice and of your own free will,justlike I am a christian by choice and my own free will.
Do you disbelieve in Santa Claus of your own free will? Could you make yourself believe that Santa is a real person if you tried?

Quath

:Fade-color I don't know what you are trying to get at,but I do
know that you choose not to believe in God because you don't want
there to be a God,and hey' what a coincidence that he has a discipline
plan,hmmmmm.............................
could you be rebellious by your own free will if you wanted to bad
enough?
 
Heathen said:
:B-fly: Heathen,you cannot believe in a holy and righteous God
because you have made that choice on your own.
You no doubt fear discipline for all the wrongs you do,so it's much
easier for you to wish and hope that God isn't real,but thats just
not going to work. Grow up!
Why do you assume that we were all christians at birth?
I believe most of us were not.
We know about being lost and what the world is about.
Everyones salvation is a miracle,and no one can make you
choose to believe in Jesus Christ. It's a free choice that every
one makes for themselves.
You don't want God to exist,but I know God exists.
You cannot prove to me that he doesn't,not even with magic,amen.
 
Heathen said:
[. None of the historians of the time mention Jesus. Even the Gospels were not written until at least 40-80 years after Jesus' death, and each contradict eachother immensely. Any history book which your Church has told you mentions Jesus is not first hand and is nothing but hearsay.
Give me a reason to seek God. Prove to me that if I don't I'm going to buuuuuuurn forever.

:B-fly: God's word is not contradicting itself at all,the opposite is true!
How each person choose to define History and study it is up to them.
No one is forcing you to believe God's history book.
We are here on our own turf.
Your sins will make you burn even long before you get to the lake of
fire,so be very careful of what you ask for,amen.
Have you ever seen a copy of the Dead Sea Scrolls,or the oldest
pieces of parchment available in any museum yet?
The Bible was the first book ever printed and it is not associated with
any sects,cults,or whatever,though they have tried to use it,the bible
tells us about them.
The Bible is an original one of a kind book and there is no book in the
world like it.
 
Quath said:
blueeyeliner said:
heathen,you are an atheist by choice and of your own free will,justlike I am a christian by choice and my own free will.
Do you disbelieve in Santa Claus of your own free will? Could you make yourself believe that Santa is a real person if you tried?

Quath

:Fade-color please show me santa in the bible.
please read Jeremiah 10: 2 thru 8
 
Blue:

The Dead Sea Scrolls are OT texts, not NT. You did not address Heathen's point with that strawman argument.

Just an aside, how can you trust how old the Dead Sea Scrolls are if you don't trust carbon dating. Heck, they could have been written and hidden there by the shepard who found them, if carbin dating isn't to be trusted.

Heathen's point is true, there are no eyewitnesses to Jesus in the NT.

Gospel of Mark: Author unknown, written 40 years after Jesus dies
Matthew: Author unknown, written 50 years after Jesus dies. If he was an eyewitness, why does he need to depend on Mark?
Luke: If companion of Paul, never met Jesus, written 50-60 years after Jesus dies. Same dependence on Mark.
John: Author unknown, written 50-70 years after Jesus dies.
Letter of Paul: Admits he never met Jesus

I won't go into the other books of the NT, but it doesn't get any better.

The Bible is an original one of a kind book and there is no book in the
world like it.

Actually, the KJV is very close to the Catholic Version. And the Jewish OT is pretty close to the OT of the KJV and the Catholic Version (and various other versions). The Koran also references many of the same events. So does the Book of Mormon.

Perhap's it is not that unique.

Also, the bible shares many miracles, stories, parables, histories and morals with a variety of pagan and regional traditions that predate Christ, as well as predate many OT events.
 
blueeyeliner said:
Quath said:
Do you disbelieve in Santa Claus of your own free will? Could you make yourself believe that Santa is a real person if you tried?
please show me santa in the bible.
blueeyeliner, Quath didn't say that Santa was mentioned or alluded to in the Bible. Feel free to answer Quath's question the third time you respond to the post. For bonus points, explain the signifigance of your answer to your earlier assertion that Heathen is an atheist by free will.
 
ThinkerMan said:
Blue:

The Dead Sea Scrolls are OT texts, not NT. You did not address Heathen's point with that strawman argument.

Just an aside, how can you trust how old the Dead Sea Scrolls are if you don't trust carbon dating. Heck, they could have been written and hidden there by the shepard who found them, if carbin dating isn't to be trusted.

Heathen's point is true, there are no eyewitnesses to Jesus in the NT.

:Fade-color No one can argue that the Dead Sea Scrolls are extremely
old. No dating method today is always right,and often times they are
off,yet that is not the only clue to how old it is.
heathen really has no points to address,heathen clearly expresses no
desire to believe in God,and this tells me all I need to know about heathen. Heathen is most definately a heathen by choice and by free
will because heathen cannot allow his/her mind to accept that God is
real,in doing so,heathen would have to live right,and give up being
immoral. Paul did hear Jesus Christ speak to him,and the witnesses in
the new testament are very good witnesses indeed!
there is no pagan religion that pre-dates God,or the early believers in
God. There is no way that has ever happened or could ever be proven.
under investigation all these myths fall apart.
Besides,if you don't want to believe in God,who is going to make you?
The New World Order? perhaps,but then you'll know what pagan -
religion really is by then I'm certain.
Try investigating alot harder instead of believing hear say,o.k?
 
Hawkman said:
blueeyeliner said:
Quath said:
Do you disbelieve in Santa Claus of your own free will? Could you make yourself believe that Santa is a real person if you tried?
please show me santa in the bible.
blueeyeliner, Quath didn't say that Santa was mentioned or alluded to in the Bible. Feel free to answer Quath's question the third time you respond to the post. For bonus points, explain the signifigance of your answer to your earlier assertion that Heathen is an atheist by free will.

:B-fly: So now you answer for Quath?
If you feel that Heathen was born an atheist,then why do you feel that
way? I believe Heathen chooses to be an atheist. I believe this is very
natural for the rebellious. If you don't want to live right,and you hate
being good,you think being an atheist is the way out,but those of us who
know God know that you delude yourselves.
 
blueeyeliner said:
please show me santa in the bible.
I never said Santa was in the Bible. I asked if you tried really hard, could you convince yourself that Santa was a real person? If you can't then you understand how an atheist can be unconvinced that God is real.

Quath
 
Quath said:
blueeyeliner said:
please show me santa in the bible.
I never said Santa was in the Bible. I asked if you tried really hard, could you convince yourself that Santa was a real person? If you can't then you understand how an atheist can be unconvinced that God is real.

Quath

And if you can, then you realise how gullible the human mind is. When you really want to believe something is true, if you really really force yourself, then eventually it can become "true". But only in your mind.
 
If you don't want to live right,and you hate
being good,you think being an atheist is the way out,
That is a major stereotype that some Christians seem to believe, but is actually not based on any fact (as is the case with most stereotypes). Atheists are just a group in society like anyone else, there are good and bad, black and white, rich and poor, it doesn't in anyway mean the person is immoral, evil, full of hate or of certain intelligence. Just like being a Christian doesn't mean you can't commit crimes, make mistakes or hurt people.
Personally I have stayed within the law, I don't drink or smoke, don't take recreational drugs, try not to swear, try not to take the Lords name in vain (not because of belief in God, but because I know it could offend), I'm generally what you'd consider a good guy, but I'm a non-believer. I definately don't fit any rebel label, or someone who "hates being good". This is the norm amongst atheists.

there is no pagan religion that pre-dates God,or the early believers in God.
That depends on whether you believe the YEC idea, if so then numerous cultures seem to have pre-dated the claims. One of the more obvious being Egypt which appears to have solid history back 7-8000 years with no interruption (guess they just missed the global flood?). There many races, over many countries that we can track the history of passed the magical 6000 year mark of the YEC's and every one of them had completely different religious ideas, with their own creation stories, numerous Gods and all sorts of strange rituals.
 
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