[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is not based on empirical evidence

[Asimov]

What did I lose? A free monkey ancestor that I didn't want,
and am not related to anyway?

No, you lose the debate

I did prove evolution is false,but you cannot accept it.

Ohhhh...now I get it....looks back at previous posts:

*high pitched girly voice*

"evolution is false!"
"fossils don't support evolution"
"evolution is pagan"
"evolution is a religion"
"evolution is false (2)"

What an amazing refutation of evolution! You mind-boggled me for sure with your higher intelligence.

The point I am trying to make is that,you cannot use evolution
and atheism together like you do to build your worldy train of thought
when christians also believe in it.

Wow....you are quite a piece of work blue, first you misrepresent evolution, something you know nothing about. Then you misrepresent me?? I don't use evolution to build my worldly train of thought, it's not a religion, so stop saying it is.

Evolution is not even a real excuse
to argue with christians when many accept it,and those of us who don't
accept it,know it's here to stay for a good long while until Jesus returns
back to the earth to set up his Kingdom.

wow....that's just.....wow.

Why not just say you are worldly and that you love to sin and you
want to keep doing evil against God,and stop saying that evolution
is the problem christians have with you,when clearly it's not.[/b]

When did I ever say that? Why don't you just say you are a freakin idiot, and I'm surprised you can function in the real world.

 

[Sophistress]

I think blueeyeliner needs to learn what proof reading is, and what's more, put it into practise. Her arguments are nada - I think even most Christians would agree with that, including ones that don't even accept evolution. Very poor effort blueeyeliner. Hovind would be ashamed. In fact, even that hack Gastrich would be ashamed.

 

[Wertbag]

Why don't you just say you are a freakin idiot

No need to resort to personal attacks, if the debate has stalled then let it go, shouldn't ever get worked up enough to end this way.

Evolution is something everyone feels differently about and we
cannot hate people for being different than we are.

Personally I understand enough of evolution for it to make sense to me, I definately do not know enough to answer every question, but I doubt theres anyone on the planet who does. The more research into it I do the more I understand and the less holes I see. When it comes to these debates we can answer the questions, and point out what evidence there is, but its still upto the individual as to whether they will accept the data given. Generally you state the facts, prove the facts if requested, and leave the conclusions to the other person.
Its the same with the young earth, global flood, divine nature of the Bible or ancient miracles. You can collect all the information and make an educated call on what is correct, but you can gaurantee that there will be others who won't agree.

 

[Guest]

[No, you lose the debate



Ohhhh...now I get it....looks back at previous posts:

*high pitched girly voice*

"What an amazing refutation of evolution! You mind-boggled me for sure with your higher intelligence.

:B-fly: I don't think I lose the debate when you cannot prove that there
is no God. You cannot even logically say that there is no God with any
kind of authority at all.
Yes,if you must know I am highly feminine and very happy this way.
It's who I am,amen.
I love to be treated nice by gentleman,and thats why I prefer to be
around gentlemen,rather than worldly beasts.
As I have told you before,Many christians believe in evolution,I just
don't understand why you would?

 

[Guest]

I think blueeyeliner needs to learn what proof reading is, and what's more, put it into practise. Her arguments are nada - I think even most Christians would agree with that, including ones that don't even accept evolution. Very poor effort blueeyeliner. Hovind would be ashamed. In fact, even that hack Gastrich would be ashamed.

:B-fly: I have had many debates with some christian evolutionists if you
must know,and I have accepted their positions on the subject as I hope
they have accepted mine.
I believe you would be greatly helped by the ex-atheists who have
found out that God is indeed real.
Josh McDowell is a very excellent place where you can start learning.
If you think my opinions are so wrong and so bad,why do you even
bother to respond? Whose forcing you or twisting your arm?

 

[Guest]

Now she admits there are Christian evolutionists. My, that did take us a while to convince her! Good job The Tuatha'an! She cleary has no understanding of evolution, which was summed up in her statement "A free monkey ancestor that I didn't want" which nearly made me split my sides. These silly fundies - will they ever get it? I'm doubtful. :D

:B-fly: It may shock you to learn that I have had debates with others
here who are christian and who believe in evolution,and while my belief
about evolution is different from theirs,they seem to be decent people.
Why not ask evcforum if I know about atheists who claim they believe
in evolution or not?
I've been on many atheist web sites and forums.

 

[Sophistress]

Now she admits there are Christian evolutionists. My, that did take us a while to convince her! Good job The Tuatha'an! She cleary has no understanding of evolution, which was summed up in her statement "A free monkey ancestor that I didn't want" which nearly made me split my sides. These silly fundies - will they ever get it? I'm doubtful. :D

:B-fly: It may shock you to learn that I have had debates with others
here who are christian and who believe in evolution,and while my belief
about evolution is different from theirs,they seem to be decent people.
Why not ask evcforum if I know about atheists who claim they believe
in evolution or not?
I've been on many atheist web sites and forums.

It really doesn't shock me. From what I have seen of you, you have debates all the time about things which you have no understanding of. The rest of your post doesn't make much sense and isn't relevent, or doesn't relate to anything I've posted.

The reason I pointed out your statment ("A free monkey ancestor that I didn't want") was to show that you don't even have a basic understanding of what evolution is. Evolution does not say we are decended from monkeys, but rather that we share a common ancestor. There's a difference.

 

[destiny]

Blue has a way of debateing that is kinda like the chinese water torture technique. She just keeps it slowly and steadily coming and it drives you guys insane.
:D Love it!! :D

 

[Sophistress]

It drives me insane because it's mostly nonsense, assumptions and illogical. That doesn't win a debate.

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

Blue has a way of debateing that is kinda like the chinese water torture technique. She just keeps it slowly and steadily coming and it drives you guys insane.
:D Love it!! :D

Ignorance is one of your favorite things, is it?
Bah, I'm an evolution proponent with a masochistic streak, let's see blue make an actual argument that isn't just random nonsense and links to sites made by people who don't understand evolution any better than she does.

 

[destiny]

Blue has a way of debateing that is kinda like the chinese water torture technique. She just keeps it slowly and steadily coming and it drives you guys insane.
:D Love it!! :D

Ignorance is one of your favorite things, is it?
Bah, I'm an evolution proponent with a masochistic streak, let's see blue make an actual argument that isn't just random nonsense and links to sites made by people who don't understand evolution any better than she does.

Arrogant @$$

 

[Sophistress]

Blue has a way of debateing that is kinda like the chinese water torture technique. She just keeps it slowly and steadily coming and it drives you guys insane.
:D Love it!! :D

Ignorance is one of your favorite things, is it?
Bah, I'm an evolution proponent with a masochistic streak, let's see blue make an actual argument that isn't just random nonsense and links to sites made by people who don't understand evolution any better than she does.

I'm glad to see some intelligent people around here. :fadein:

 

[Sophistress]

Blue has a way of debateing that is kinda like the chinese water torture technique. She just keeps it slowly and steadily coming and it drives you guys insane.
:D Love it!! :D

Ignorance is one of your favorite things, is it?
Bah, I'm an evolution proponent with a masochistic streak, let's see blue make an actual argument that isn't just random nonsense and links to sites made by people who don't understand evolution any better than she does.

Arrogant @$$

Just because you don't like what he said, doesn't make him arrogant. In fact, the fact that you couldn't refute what he'd said, and just came out with that comment, shows you to be the arrogant one.

 

[destiny]

I edited my post...it wasn't nice.

 

[Wertbag]

you cannot prove that there is no God. You cannot even logically say that there is no God with any kind of authority at all.

Its true that atheists can't point to a spot in the sky and say "look nothing there" and thereby disprove God, but there are many ways that people use to come to that conclusion based on the evidence presented. For example if you disprove the Bible then it would disprove the basis for Christianity, if Christianity is wrong then logically you can say the beliefs are wrong and hence there is no God.
One of the biggest things that turns people away is the share number of religions or denominations within those religions. No one has the answers, everyone claims they are correct while all the others are wrong. Alot of people just see it as all guess work and ancient rituals that have no noticeable effect on our lives. If you live for years as a Christian, then decide to change to atheism you will not find your physical life suffering in anyway. There are no physical benefits (life expectancy is the same, same amount of illness and accidents regardless of which religion you follow) so it doesn't appear that God cares about his chosen ones.
And then you have the miracles which by themselves make people disbelieve in God. If you tell someone a completely impossible story, and justify it by saying God did it, then people find it hard to take anything else you say seriously. Especially when none of the miracles have evidence and none of the claims are repeatable today.
There is a lack of supernatural appearances, which seemed to be so often claimed in ancient days (God as burning bush, pillar of smoke or fire, angels appearing etc), not just personal experience but appearing to whole gatherings at a time. If God wanted a personal relationship with everyone, wanted everyone to know him he could make it happen with great ease, speak from the heavens, write burning letters across the sky, turn up and tell us the truth. The fact he doesn't seems to say he either doesn't exist or if he does he doesn't care. The usual answer is that people only hear him internally or through prayer, yet prayer is not always answered (eg during testing no one can show the benefit of prayer), and people are easily confused or mistaken (the majority of the population of the planet is wrong about religion regardless of what the right answer is). Personal meetings with supernatural beings are claimed by every religion so its not a sign of contact as its not showing any one religion as the true link to God.

Generally there is alot that says there is no God, and hence people are quite justified in their disbelief. On the other hand there is no way to prove God exists, you can't show an invisible being, and barring personal experience which is the only excuse that is easy to ignore but impossible to refute, there seems to be no evidence that stands upto examination.

 

[Guest]

I edited my post...it wasn't nice.

:D destiny,you are nice. Don't let them get you down. They don't
hurt me. It's their unbelief that makes them behave this way.
Besides,great news! Yesterday on CNN they said that a cave was
found that they believe was the cave of John the Baptist,and it's been
all over the news. Most atheists claim they accept CNN as valid news,so
we shall see,huh?
anyway,it's excellent news for us.
there are many sites you can find out about it,and almost all the news
is telling about it.
heres one of them.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/20 ... 178088.htm
http://www.centuryone.com/0347-4.html

 

[Sophistress]

The drawings were estimated at 400-500 years after Jesus' death. Enough said.

 

[Guest]

you cannot prove that there is no God. You cannot even logically say that there is no God with any kind of authority at all.

Its true that atheists can't point to a spot in the sky and say "look nothing there" and thereby disprove God, but there are many ways that people use to come to that conclusion based on the evidence presented. For example if you disprove the Bible then it would disprove the basis for Christianity, if Christianity is wrong then logically you can say the beliefs are wrong and hence there is no God.

:B-fly: But you cannot prove God wrong,just because man is often
wrong! When you debate or start an argument about something,it
would be very good if you knew for certain that what you believed in
was true. I do,and I have no doubt what so ever,if I did,I couldn't debate
with confidence with you like I do.
I don't just believe God is real,I know he is real,amen.
I have all the evidence I need in my life to know this is true.
God has no use for robots,or brown noses who only serve him out of
fear,ect..... God wants people to try to love him,and to believe in him
from their heart,not to avoid punishment. Punishment is a last resort.
God loves all people,but he hates evil.
You cannot put God in a limited place or a box,God is limitless.
You don't have to believe that,but I do,and I believe everything the
bible says about those who don't believe in him,amen.

 

[Guest]

The drawings were estimated at 400-500 years after Jesus' death. Enough said.

:roll: You may stop with those lies at anytime now heathen,that is not
what was said about the cave,just the drawings that depict John the
Baptist by those who told of him and what he did there.
The actual cave could have been the cave of John the Baptist because
of when it was used and the shards of pottery that was found.
Why did I know that you wouldn't believe any thing that christians
told you no matter what it was?
This proves the bible right all the time. If they wouldn't believe Moses
and the prophets,they won't believe anyone else!

 

[Guest]

The drawings were estimated at 400-500 years after Jesus' death. Enough said.

:B-fly: look at the other news sites and read what they say also,K?