[_ Old Earth _] Evolution is not based on empirical evidence

[Chupacabra]

If you are born an atheist,then it is in your very nature to reject
God. Many people claim they have always believed in God since they
were very small children.

Read the Future of an Illusion by Freud. It's not 100% scientific and is more philosophy in sections, but it'd answer many of your questions rationally or at least give you something to think about.

 

[Guest]

If you are born an atheist,then it is in your very nature to reject God. Many people claim they have always believed in God since they were very small children.

Every child that is in a religion was taught that religion. That knowledge was not instinctual. So children are taught the Muslim, Mormon, Hindu, pagan, or whatever belief. Most keep their parents beliefs and pass it on. However, children do not know any religious beliefs until they are told them.

I guess some people could make them up like the Hale Bopp people and cult leaders. But they usually rely upon religions of others to base their religion on.

Quath

:B-fly: This is another make belief story told by unbelievers around the
world and it's another common misconception told by many psycologists.
That is so Freud.
That is not why I am saved in Christ,and there are countless others like
myself who know what I know about this. You must be called to God,you
cannot do it all by yourself,and no one can make you believe in God.
We are the free thinkers!
We are not social nutts who try to please the crowd and we don't follow
the crowd. The road to hell is paved with good intentions,and the road
to destruction is big and wide,but the narrow gate is the one that leads
to life.
It's easy to follow the crowd,but it's not easy to stand up against it.
You must be called. God chooses us,we do not choose him.
When you hear him calling you,it's your choice to accept him or
reject him.

 

[ThinkerMan]

God chooses us,we do not choose him.

versus:

We are the free thinkers!

Doesn't quite appear so....

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[Guest]

God chooses us,we do not choose him.

versus:

[quote:feb4a]We are the free thinkers!

Doesn't quite appear so....

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:B-fly: wrong yet again! God calls us but we choose whether or not
to listen to him or not. There is no force involved in it.
You know when you are called but not everyone wants to be in love
with God. Not everyone wants to listen to him,and not everyone
wants him in their lives. It's a nasty shame when they don't,but it's
a choice only they can make for themselves.

 

[Guest]

If you are born an atheist,then it is in your very nature to reject
God. Many people claim they have always believed in God since they
were very small children.

Read the Future of an Illusion by Freud. It's not 100% scientific and is more philosophy in sections, but it'd answer many of your questions rationally or at least give you something to think about.

8-) Oh' really"? Well,this is based on alot more facts and much
more informative than any sex crazed Psychologist who did cocain.
http://www.bibleviews.com/non-biblical.html

Philosophy leads many to Christ they say?

 

[Asimov]

wrong yet again! God calls us but we choose whether or not
to listen to him or not. There is no force involved in it.
You know when you are called but not everyone wants to be in love
with God. Not everyone wants to listen to him,and not everyone
wants him in their lives. It's a nasty shame when they don't,but it's
a choice only they can make for themselves.

So, why wouldn't people want to listen to God?

 

[Guest]

wrong yet again! God calls us but we choose whether or not
to listen to him or not. There is no force involved in it.
You know when you are called but not everyone wants to be in love
with God. Not everyone wants to listen to him,and not everyone
wants him in their lives. It's a nasty shame when they don't,but it's
a choice only they can make for themselves.

So, why wouldn't people want to listen to God?

:roll: You are asking me? Why don't they? Why didn't people listen to
the prophets of God? Why don't people listen to their parents?
They should listen,this world is a cruel joke without him,amen.

 

[Asimov]

You are asking me? Why don't they?

Why didn't people listen to the prophets of God?

How do people know they are the prophets of God? There were many Jews claiming to be Prophets at that time

[quote:399f6]Why don't people listen to their parents?

For the most part, children listen to their parents, a little disobedience isn't a bad thing. Besides, parents don't threaten their kids with eternal fire in hell for not listening to them

They should listen,this world is a cruel joke without him,amen.

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How is it a cruel joke? Do you ever answer anybody's questions?

 

[SyntaxVorlon]

They should listen,this world is a cruel joke without him,amen.

I find this rather funny. You consider the state of the world one where it could be construed as a cruel joke as long as there isn't a joker. At least I don't pray to a bad comedian.

The world is a fairly nice place not having a god, pretty pleasant, short lived perhaps, but rather nice most of the time.

 

[goliwog man]

I find this rather funny. You consider the state of the world one where it could be construed as a cruel joke as long as there isn't a joker. At least I don't pray to a bad comedian.

The world is a fairly nice place not having a god, pretty pleasant, short lived perhaps, but rather nice most of the time

Know i find that rather funny. Gods not a comedian but fools will laugh. True I believe the world can be a fairly nice place. after all God created it and he said it was good.

 

[Guest]

To me believing that God created the earth is allot easier to believe than...

A long time ago there was an explosion and from the helium plants started to grow And then a dinosaur layed an egg and out popped a chicken. And then dinosaurs decided they wanted to fly so they sprouted wings and became birds. Then the monkeys got in on the act and evolved, (this could become a reality T/V show) Then A buitiful princess kissed the frog and he turned into a hansome prince. Ooops that was a fairy tale now wasnt it???

:D goliwog man,I'm with you! You sure put them in there place this
time! Great Job!

 

[Sophistress]

So you believe in God because it's just easier than using your brain? At least you're honest. However, you must understand that not everyone is as simple minded as you, and some people prefer to use critical thinking. Just because you fail to understand what evolution is, doesn't mean other people do, and it certainly doesn't mean the theory is incorrect.

 

[Guest]

You are asking me? Why don't they?

Why didn't people listen to the prophets of God?

How do people know they are the prophets of God? There were many Jews claiming to be Prophets at that time

[quote:ebf4a]Why don't people listen to their parents?

For the most part, children listen to their parents, a little disobedience isn't a bad thing. Besides, parents don't threaten their kids with eternal fire in hell for not listening to them

[quote:ebf4a]They should listen,this world is a cruel joke without him,amen.

How is it a cruel joke? Do you ever answer anybody's questions?[/quote:ebf4a][/quote:ebf4a]

:roll: If they don't know who the true prophets are then they are in
the wrong crowd now aren't they? A true prophet is someone who
hears from God and has a good reputation,with all of his messages
coming true.
I don't know what most parents do,but many are really messing up.
No,many parents wouldn't threaten with hellfire when they can drown
their kid,abort them,or beat the hellfire out of them regularly.
Why would they waste time to threaten them with hellfire when they can
beat the tar out of them and use them in child porn,is that what you
mean,because I cannot see how teaching children the holy bible can
harm them when they have a mental choice to whether or not they
believe it,and will grow up and do what they want to do,yet beating
or molesting a child is something the feel now,and it's wounds are
not easily forgotten,and makes it much harder for them to be loving
and forgiving people. No Morals,no healthy children.
Without God life would have no purpose or meaning in it,and it certainly
wouldn't be worth living! Only God makes sense,amen.

 

[Guest]

So you believe in God because it's just easier than using your brain? At least you're honest. However, you must understand that not everyone is as simple minded as you, and some people prefer to use critical thinking. Just because you fail to understand what evolution is, doesn't mean other people do, and it certainly doesn't mean the theory is incorrect.

:D You claim to have a brain? Oh' yes,wise in your own eyes!
You just don't ever comprehend anything do you. You are so much
like a blank slate its amazing that you still desire to be noticed.
I know you cannot prove evolution. I know evolution has always
been connected with religion. I know that evolution is not science.
Tell me something if you are really smart,was I born believing God?
I really would like to think I was,but you tell me,o.k?
I spent many wasted years being worldly,and I regret it very much.
Those are what I call the ding bat days of my early youth.
I wouldn't want to be in your shoes for anything,amen.
Wise in your own eyes and self righteous,yet even a dummy appears
wise if they can shut their mouth. Did you know that some of us were
once great big sinners lost in the world? Do you know that we are very
happy to be saved now? I guess you wouldn't know,so before you open
your pie hole,sqeeze your brain and really try to think first.
You'll feel much better.
Be objective while you are at it.
http://home.sprynet.com/~eastwood01/qgensci.htm
oh,and have a good laugh too. http://tccsa.tc/archives/cartoons/believe.html

 

[Guest]

They should listen,this world is a cruel joke without him,amen.

I find this rather funny. You consider the state of the world one where it could be construed as a cruel joke as long as there isn't a joker. At least I don't pray to a bad comedian.

The world is a fairly nice place not having a god, pretty pleasant, short lived perhaps, but rather nice most of the time.

:B-fly: What a cracker barrell you are. I suppose to someone who
thinks eat,sleep and be merry and then you die is a good thing,but
for those of us who really want to have life and have it much richer
and fuller and enjoy living we chose to seek God and to know him.
Jesus saves,but he won't force himself on anyone.

 

[goliwog man]

So you believe in God because it's just easier than using your brain? At least you're honest. However, you must understand that not everyone is as simple minded as you, and some people prefer to use critical thinking. Just because you fail to understand what evolution is, doesn't mean other people do, and it certainly doesn't mean the theory is incorrect.

Its common sense for a creation theres a creator. The food in my lunch box doesnt appear by random chance i put it there. If u studied the law of chance you would discover the chances that a supremem being creating the world is far more likely then the random chance of evolution occuring

 

[Quath]

Its common sense for a creation theres a creator. The food in my lunch box doesnt appear by random chance i put it there. If u studied the law of chance you would discover the chances that a supremem being creating the world is far more likely then the random chance of evolution occuring

So if something exists, it must have been created. God exists, therefore He must have been created. Right?

 

[Asimov]

If they don't know who the true prophets are then they are in
the wrong crowd now aren't they? A true prophet is someone who
hears from God and has a good reputation,with all of his messages
coming true.

How do you know he's hearing from God? A good rep doesn't mean he's a good person. Hitler had a good reputation with the Germans.
Anyone can make a prophecy and have it come true. One thing I find funny, is how someone can tell whether or not a prophecy comes true at the time thr prophet gives it, when all the prophcies given usually happen hundreds, even thousands of years later.

I don't know what most parents do,but many are really messing up.

your opinion, which doesn't count for squat unless you can back it up

No,many parents wouldn't threaten with hellfire when they can drown
their kid,abort them,or beat the hellfire out of them regularly.

Aborting fetus' isn't a punishment for doing something wrong. I don't hear about too many parents drowning their children.

The Bible supports parents beating their child, for disciplinary reasons. What about Scripture that states that if a child is disobedient, to stone him/her?

Why would they waste time to threaten them with hellfire when they can
beat the tar out of them and use them in child porn

Child porn??? That's irrelevant. We're talking about punishment, not pedophiles

because I cannot see how teaching children the holy bible can
harm them when they have a mental choice to whether or not they
believe it,and will grow up and do what they want to do,yet beating
or molesting a child is something the feel now,and it's wounds are
not easily forgotten,and makes it much harder for them to be loving
and forgiving people. No Morals,no healthy children.
Without God life would have no purpose or meaning in it,and it certainly
wouldn't be worth living! Only God makes sense,amen.

Maybe to you life would have no purpose, but I make my own purpose. It's depressing that people need to believe in fairy tales in order to find purpose in their lives.

We weren't talking about teaching children the holy bible.

You asked why children don't listen to their parents, in reference to why people don't listen to God. I said because the Parents don't threaten their children with eternal hell if they don't listen. Which is what God does.

That's not a choice, that's an ultimatem

 

[Guest]

Its common sense for a creation theres a creator. The food in my lunch box doesnt appear by random chance i put it there. If u studied the law of chance you would discover the chances that a supremem being creating the world is far more likely then the random chance of evolution occuring

So if something exists, it must have been created. God exists, therefore He must have been created. Right?

8-) For the zillionth time,"No", God did not evolve? ooooops,wrong topic.
God created everything,He's the creator of all the living. We are created
beings he is not,and if he were,how in the world could we understand his
mind,much less where he came from,if he did come from some other place,but we know he didn't because he is the beginning and the End.
Either way you look at it,there had to be a first.
God is the first and the last. He lives forever,and Frankly,I am so glad he
does. Does God The Father live like we do? does he need to eat food to keep himself alive,does he have limitations like we do. The answer to that
question is a simple,"No".

 

[Guest]

:Fade-color It is so strange how some people try to limit God and put him in a box,or try to make him human like they are who is limited.
God is a creator,he is the creator,and he invented human beings and all life as we know it. He made the angels too.
We are all proof that God is alive,and we are proof that miracles do happen. Why do hearts beat for even up to 100 years?

Creation is too wonderful to be by chance,but there is nothing like the
evidence,amen.