Examination is not a true test of knowledge

[reba]

It is true that, the better ones spelling and sentence structure is, the more seriously they are taken, BUT! should it really be that way? Regional dialects can affect ones sentence structure and and can not really be taken as a sign of intelligence or validity of ones view. Spelling too, the person writing may be very wise but not spell and write good. So it's really unfair to judge a post by structure, though we do this most naturally.

The flip side are the very intelligent people who are lacking in wisdom! We have a couple here. The book knowledge is high, wisdom low, or so it seems to me. These high knowledge/low wisdom types are dangerous because their vocal babble sounds very plausible and learned and so consequently respectable...But with no wisdom it could lead men unto death.

Johnny Cash and Loretta Lynn both wrote their books like they talk easy good reads..

 

[Just a servant]

It is true that, the better ones spelling and sentence structure is, the more seriously they are taken, BUT! should it really be that way? Regional dialects can affect ones sentence structure and and can not really be taken as a sign of intelligence or validity of ones view. Spelling too, the person writing may be very wise but not spell and write good. So it's really unfair to judge a post by structure, though we do this most naturally.

The flip side are the very intelligent people who are lacking in wisdom! We have a couple here. The book knowledge is high, wisdom low, or so it seems to me. These high knowledge/low wisdom types are dangerous because their vocal babble sounds very plausible and learned and so consequently respectable...But with no wisdom it could lead men unto death.

This.

We should understand that grammar and sentence structure do not indicate intelligence nor wisdom, as well. Someone can be self-educated and place little emphasis on grammar, and still be much more knowledgeable than someone who went to a university.

Do not forget to distinguish between worldly wisdom and Godly wisdom. They are very different.

 

[jasonc]

Johnny Cash and Loretta Lynn both wrote their books like they talk easy good reads..

However, the English language isn't written like that according to the rules of Queen's English.

signed master grammarian. if that is a word.

 

[Edward]

That is the truth. Even in the spiritual gifts we see there is a difference between wisdom and knowledge.



This is a wise post, Edward. imo.

Another thing an educated person may be lacking is common sense. I don't think that's quite the same as wisdom either.
My dh has said several times. An architect and a mechanical engineer who designs cars should both have to work as a builder and a mechanic respectively before they are licensed in their field.

Thanks Deb. Love your choice of words...I feel taller now.

I absolutely agree with you on that, pencil pushers should be required to have field experience before becoming licensed in their particular field. I've ran into this many many times in my work. A lot of times another firm will do the plans, and we'll get the job. Words cannot express how exasperating it is to try to work with a mans plans, that can do plans, (and the plans are supposed to be followed exactly), but he has never worked in the field, so his plans are almost impossible to adhere to.

This one guys mechanical plans for the furnace ducting that he sent were totally bogus. his computer would spit out very weird non-standard sizes of ducting, that most of it would have to be custom made. We can do plans and layouts, so we re-did them to be within specs for the required heat load and CFM (They got the plans portion because they were cheaper, and that's what's all about in building). Boy that GC got so mad at us for changing the duct sizing and screamed and yelled until he was red in the face because they plans had already been approved, and we didn't follow them. I let him rant and rave for about 20 minutes until he got tired of screaming, and then explained to him that we would certainly tear it all out and adhere to the plans, but that his ductwork would have to be custom made and there's an extra 2500 bucks that he would have to pay for...or he could take in our layout and have our plans spliced into the master so that we could use standard size ducting and save him a ton of money. That calmed him down in a hurry and also got us the plans portion on future jobs because we know to use standard materials which cost less than custom. So we were were 100 bucks more for doing plans than the other outfit, but that 100 bucks would save him thousands. They guy who did the plans had no field experience so had no clue on the standard stuff.

Here's a funny one! I learned everything OJT (On the Job Training) I had very little book knowledge and theory and all that. but I could make stuff work. This one outfit I was working for one time hired a bunch of kids fresh out of the local technical college who took the HVAC course, but had never worked in the trade. A couple of those youngsters came in to the technicians table in the shop, and we were all talking, and these kids talked so far over my head with this book knowledge that i wondered if we were in the same trade even! They made me feel bad sitting around talking, and i was one of the companys top techs...then the put one of them on my truck to ride with me. This kid was so smart that I assumed that I could leave him alone and he could work. Wow. Every 3 minutes this kid was over at me, what do I do now, what do I do now? This isn't like it was in school. I never seen this in the book...
The kid was clueless. I told him, this is the real world, not a lab. You have to be able to think on your feet. He had no field experience and little common sense. Suddenly I didn't feel so bad anymore, lol. he was a good learner and would listen so I made a good tech out of him.

 

[Just a servant]

Ever work on the line with a supervisor who was never a line worker? Ever deal with quality or HR who has never worked on the line?

Much of the reason it is often set up like this is about control and not what is effective. The added control is seen as a worthwhile gain for a small sacrifice in efficiency. Workers who are under pressure from random stresses do not step out of line as often. Don't believe me? Look up industrial psychology.

 

[Edward]

In defense of the book learning though (gotta be fair), i must say, this same outfit sent 11 of us top techs down to test for the newish NATE certification which had just been introduced (The HVAC version of an ASE certification for mechanics). Al 11 of us failed it! Not one passed and we were all good techs. But this was the book knowledge and a very hard test. I didn't pass it until my 3rd attempt! However, it made me a better technician. To have that extra bit of knowledge saved me time in my work. I had to teach it to myself through study. But, doing that saved me about 35 thousand dollars, lol! By taking the examination, i seen what they wanted me to learn and studied that for two weeks diligently, and then crammed the night before...and smoked that test. (A few of the guys never did pass it.)
I've always been a good test taker.

 

[Edward]

Ever work on the line with a supervisor who was never a line worker? Ever deal with quality or HR who has never worked on the line?

Much of the reason it is often set up like this is about control and not what is effective. The added control is seen as a worthwhile gain for a small sacrifice in efficiency. Workers who are under pressure from random stresses do not step out of line as often. Don't believe me? Look up industrial psychology.

That makes sense. I learned under pressure. Stress keeps you focused. At least it did me.

 

[Edward]

Johnny Cash and Loretta Lynn both wrote their books like they talk easy good reads..

I like those kind of books. I like Johnny Cash and Loretta Lynn both too.

What books?

 

[Just a servant]

That makes sense. I learned under pressure. Stress keeps you focused. At least it did me.

Sure until you have a heart attack. People gotta deal with this stuff 12 hours a day 6-7 days a week in many factories. This world is getting closer to looking like that old black and white movie "Metropolis"

 

[Edward]

I can see that. I'm not sure if there's different kinds of stress or if some people may just handle stress better than others?

 

[Just a servant]

I can see that. I'm not sure if there's different kinds of stress or if some people may just handle stress better than others?

There are different kinds. Stress related to a task can be good and focusing. But this kind of stress is designed, along with the rest of the corporate worlview warfare system (ever been to a corporate meeting?), to control perspective, impressions, and perceived reality of workers. Look into industrial psychology, seriously, people make careers out of this stuff. It is like an infantile version of Perception Management.

They couldn't pay me enough to do this stuff to people.

 

[Edward]

This.

We should understand that grammar and sentence structure do not indicate intelligence nor wisdom, as well. Someone can be self-educated and place little emphasis on grammar, and still be much more knowledgeable than someone who went to a university.

Do not forget to distinguish between worldly wisdom and Godly wisdom. They are very different.

That's a good point brother. Godly wisdom and earthly wisdom are as different as night and day.

 

[reba]

I like those kind of books. I like Johnny Cash and Loretta Lynn both too.

What books?

Here is a surprise... Man in Black .. and ..Coal Miners Daughter

 

[reba]

However, the English language isn't written like that according to the rules of Queen's English.

signed master grammarian. if that is a word.

Punctuation ! Will wonders ever cease ?

 

[Classik]

Gracious goodness! A million replies.

Deductions:
1. Wisdom vs Knowledge - different meanings
2. Psychological problems have nothing to do with bad performance (i.e examination)
3. cant remember the third point

 

[Kathi]

Here is a surprise... Man in Black .. and ..Coal Miners Daughter

He really fought the drugs.

 

[Classik]

What does an engineer who designs hardware need: knowledge or wisdom?

 

[Kathi]

What does an engineer who designs hardware need: knowledge or wisdom?

Both

 

[Just a servant]

Deductions:
1. Wisdom vs Knowledge - different meanings
2. Psychological problems have nothing to do with bad performance (i.e examination)
3. cant remember the third point[/QUOTE]

2. That assertion is not valid imo, but I left it alone earlier. All kinds of things can affect performance. Some people are less affected by circumstances that can lead to bad performance.
3. Godly knowledge and wisdom are completely separate from worldly knowledge and wisdom.

 

[Edward]

Here is a surprise... Man in Black .. and ..Coal Miners Daughter

Oh yeah. My aunt used to listen to them and I got to hear them when I was young. As I got older they grew on me. Here is a video of johnny cash doing a Nine Inch Nails song. You probably don't know NiN, because he's a newer (loosely speaking) crap music band. Not at all anything you would listen to. Or me for that matter, lol. BUT! Johnny Cash did the song (I guess he liked the lyrics) and he did a (much) better job on it than the original artist, lol. I like it when artists redo another artists song and do it better. One of Johnny's last songs I think. Have a listen. A song about fighting the drugs as Kathi indicated.