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False Prophet

13 And I saw coming [to see, perceive, attend to]
out of the mouth [the mouth, speech, eloquence in speech, the point of a sword.]
1 the dragon
and out of the mouth [the mouth, speech, eloquence in speech, the point of a sword.]
2 the beast [(figuratively) a brutal("bestial") nature.]
and out of the mouth [the mouth, speech, eloquence in speech, the point of a sword.]
3 the false prophet,

three unclean spirits like frogs;

Frogs Croak and are noisy :nag
 
Yeah, the interlinear translation gives mouth. We're not talking about words, we're talking about demons...unclean spirits.


Or maybe the argument should be made that the demons are actually just words? Oh, wait can't do that! Because the word is demons, not words!

►G1140
Strong's Concordance
daimonion: an evil spirit, a demon
Original Word: δαιμόνιον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: daimonion
Phonetic Spelling: (dahee-mon'-ee-on)
Short Definition: an evil-spirit, demon
Definition: an evil-spirit, demon; a heathen deity.

sorry, they're demons, not words.
 
All that matters is they come out of their mouth and are demons?
3 demon/spirits that go to all the Kings/Nations of the Earth to get them to the final Battle?
I guess they don't speak or use words since they are like frogs? Or are they like frogs and talk/croak a lot.
 
3 evil spirits, not words, come out of the AC and false prophet. I'm sure they'll use whatever means necessary to deceive the nations.
 
You might want to highlight the first and #1 definition there. It's mouth. I See you highlighted everything but the main definition mouth!



◄ 4750. Stoma
Strong's Concordance
stoma: the mouth
Original Word: στόμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: stoma
Phonetic Spelling: (stom'-a)
Short Definition: the mouth, speech
Definition: the mouth, speech, eloquence in speech, the point of a sword.



#1 definition is mouth. Translators translated it as mouth. I looked at about 20 different versions. All translated, mouth. Why? Because the text is speaking of demons. It doesn't speak of words coming out of the mouth. It speaks of demons. Therefore, it should never be translated speech or eloquence of speech. There's a reason why it wasn't translated as such.



 
I wonder why?
Heres another
►1140. daimonion
Strong's Concordance
daimonion: an evil spirit, a demon
Original Word: δαιμόνιον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: daimonion
Phonetic Spelling: (dahee-mon'-ee-on)
Short Definition: an evil-spirit, demon
Definition: an evil-spirit, demon; a heathen deity.

yes keep it simple, like 666, fairies, witches, etc
 
Yes I provided the definition already. Nothing in that definition related to words. A heathen deity would be the equivalent of a heathen god. You know, a demon, it's explained below.

1 Corinthians 10:20 Nasb

?20No, but I say that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to demons and not to God; and I do not want you to become sharers in demons.

When the heathen sacrifice to their "deities", or gods, who are they really sacrificing to? Bingo! Demons. Or who do you think those Gentiles above think they're sacrificing to? They think they're gods. But, nope Paul explains who they really are...demons.
 
Fusion77 said:
3 evil spirits, not words, come out of the AC and false prophet. I'm sure they'll use whatever means necessary to deceive the nations.
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The false prophet is a devil. So is the dragon, a devil. So is the beast, a devil.

I have no idea why believers equate people for devils. They are NOT the same entities. Devils are evil/wicked spirits. We do not SEE them with flesh eyes.

Revelation 16:
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Mixing the parties is just bad eschatology and bad theology.
 
reba said:
I am amased at how many Christians are hopefully looking to some guy to be the antichrist..
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Rather than looking for some "guy" to be the antiChrist we should heed John's statement about it:

2 John 1:
7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
 
Spirit of demons...
We have the Holy Spirit, and we have the evil spirit.
But it is their spirits, not defacto, themselves.
We have the Holy Spirit but Jesus or God themselves, are not here, just their spirit, same with Satan.
Satan will defacto come to earth.
As Jesus will.
Fire, smoke and brimstone will come from their mouths, Rev.9:18,19.
Symbolic for deception, lies, that can cause you a spiritual death.
Rev.9:11 they have a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, who is Satan.
Satan and his fallen angels.
Satan will pretend to be Christ, and deceive many...
This is the so called Antichrist, defacto, not in spirit only.
Anti Christ, Strong's #500 meaning, an opponent of the Messiah, from#473,
Meaning, instead of, substitution.
So, yes, I'm expecting a false Messiah, before the real Messiah comes back.
As in Mark 13:14 and other places, when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, standing where it ought not....
2Thess.2:4
So that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
Claiming to be God.....
 
smaller said:
The false prophet is a devil. So is the dragon, a devil. So is the beast, a devil.
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They are human beings... though their spirit may be of the devil.

The false messiah will go to the Temple and deceive people into thinking he is the true Messiah.

God Himself will send them strong delusion, that they will believe this lie.

9 The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, 10 and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, 12 that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12



JLB
 
So the "He who must not be named" is the Messiah "a leader/savior of a particular group/cause" and this "is according to the working of Satan" , and the Messiah "He who must not be named" proclaims the new Name of the only God/Satan at the temple mount in Jerusalem where the Dome of Rock now sits? The False Prophet gives them the voice/internet power to speak/preach their New Gospel? Then 3 frogs show up "out of their mouths" aka demons to gather together the nations for the final battle to destroy Israel. How many nations around Israel are involved in this war?
 
JLB said:
They are human beings... though their spirit may be of the devil.
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Well, at least you're getting around to seeing TWO parties in the equations.

The working of Satan, the spirit of devils is "collective" in the flesh of ALL humanity.
The false messiah will go to the Temple and deceive people into thinking he is the true Messiah.
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The temple is man. Satan and his own sit currently as "rulers" "kings of the earth" over the flesh of every spiritually blinded person. Acts 26:18, 2 Cor. 4:4.
God Himself will send them strong delusion, that they will believe this lie.
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In 2 Thes. it speaks very specifically that this working is the MYSTERY OF INIQUITY.

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Paul also refers to this pseudo god as the defiler of the temple.

1 Corinthians 3:
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The body dies because of sin. There is both the mystery of iniquity and the defiling of the temple.

We also know that God does NOT dwell in temples made with hands:

Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

2 Thessalonians 2
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

That temple can only be the body of MAN.
 
Fusion77 said:
Yeah, right. A spirit coming out of the mouth of a spirit. It just keeps getting better.
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Certainly not saying that Satan or his own do not inhabit the "temple" of MAN. That is quite commonly shown throughout the scriptures.

The mystery of iniquity is collective to the flesh of all mankind. Yes, even "our sin" is in fact 'of the devil.' 1 John 3:8

Read it and weep.
 
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