Familiar with Hanegraff?

[civilwarbuff]

Isa 1:18 "Please come, and let's reason together," implores the LORD. "Even though your sins are like scarlet, they'll be white like snow. Though they're like crimson, they'll become like wool.
Isa 1:19 If you're willing and obedient, you'll eat the best that the land produces;
Isa 1:20 but if you refuse and rebel, you'll be devoured by the sword, because the LORD has spoken." ISV

 

[Nathan]

This is proof that God has a good sense of humor. God reasoning with man and yet we know that our best is foolishness and rags to Him, because His ways are above our ways and His thoughts above our thoughts. Lol.

We should be able to do the same with each other. God probably reasons with man on a level, as unto a child. () That's how we're supposed to be anyway.

Matthew 18:2-4
2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,

3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.../(KJV)

Nobody ever has an ego problem or pride problem when speaking with a child, men humble themselves before children when talking to them. Most of the time at least, lol. If people would hold the perspective that (we're all children in christ, i.e., immature) and debated doctrines on that level, then we might not sound like a bunch of kids debating, lol.

It's hard to get down on a certain level to talk with someone. Paul had a hard time of it, but still did it.

I think the biggest thing we can do is try. But even still, we have to understand that some won't like it.

 

[reba]

some of us should be coming up to a certain level ..

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[Nathan]

some of us should be coming up to a certain level ..

Eph 4:29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Eph 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

I will be honest, I knew that I used a word that might be seen negatively. But I left it for a reason.

I was commenting in the context of what Edward was talking about - adults to children. The analogy is us adults 'bend' down when talking to children.

It takes a certain amount of humility to bend your knee(mental image here) to talk with someone. I picture a servant in old times when I think of this.

 

[reba]

I figured

 

[Jethro Bodine]

....you seem to refer to protestant as though you are not a protestant, as though you are outside of protestantism..... Could you clear that up for us?

That's what we Protestants lack. In place of that we have this 'every man for himself' direction in the church.

I'm not Roman Catholic, nor am I Eastern Orthodox, so that leaves me in the Protestant camp. But more and more as I entertain forums like this on line I want to distance myself from Protestantism because of it's dogmatic, blind, obstinate, 'my mind is made up' attitude. This attitude that seems to be incapable of reading plain words of scripture without first processing them through their favorite pastor's/ theologian's best selling book so they 'don't really' mean what they say.

 

[reba]

Jethro Bodine one of the reasons there are so many protestant denominations is guys thinking and feeling just like you.. The point is not what the other guys, prodestent or not, are doing but what are we doing.. ...
What can i do to edify the body of Christ ... What can i do to edify the body of believers here at CFnet?
Will my words and thoughts be acceptable to Him..
Personally i would love to see unity here. See that unity through the differences ..
To paraphrase some scripture./
There is neither nonosas nor osas,
There is neither baptist nor penticostal
there is neither orthdox nor western
there is neither CFnet nor CFcom

for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

[Jim Parker]

I have....which is from an Orthodox perspective. Would you not agree it is best to have both sides of a story before coming to a conclusion?
Do you have a problem/issue/disagreement with the essay? Is it incorrect?.....If so, please elaborate......

Would you want a description of the Republicans from a Democrat's perspective?

 

[chessman]

This attitude that seems to be incapable of reading plain words of scripture without first processing them through their favorite pastor's/ theologian's best selling book so they 'don't really' mean what they say.

If my pastor kept saying Paul's exacte and plain words in 1 Cor 15:1-2 (NASB) was:⬇ I'd move on down the street and find a pastor that didn't chop off Paul's logic mid sentence.

"the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received, in which also you stand, 2by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you" (1 Corinthians 15:1-2 NASB)

Might as well say: 'You are saved, unless you believed in vain.'

 

[Jim Parker]

If my pastor kept saying Paul's exacte and plain words in 1 Cor 15:1-2 (NASB) was:⬇ I'd move on down the street and find a pastor that didn't chop off Paul's logic mid sentence.

Might as well say: 'You are saved, unless you believed in vain.'

And thus you do exactly what you would leave one church to find another where the Pastor didn't chop Paul's words of mid sentence.
1Co 15:1-2 Now I would remind you, brethren, in what terms I preached to you the gospel, which you received, in which you stand,
by which you are saved, if you hold it fast--unless you believed in vain.

 

[civilwarbuff]

it's dogmatic, blind, obstinate, 'my mind is made up' attitude. This attitude that seems to be incapable of reading plain words of scripture without first processing them through their favorite pastor's/ theologian's best selling book so they 'don't really' mean what they say.

Yeah, that applies to Orthodox/RC as well......and most cults.....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Would you want a description of the Republicans from a Democrat's perspective?

We are not talking politcs here JP....start another thread if thats what you want....

 

[civilwarbuff]

Would you want a description of the Republicans from a Democrat's perspective?

You did not answer the original question JP.....deflections are not answers.....

 

[Jim Parker]

Yeah, that applies to Orthodox/RC as well

That is not correct.
The Orthodox refer to the teachings of the early church and the 7 Great Councils. There is no example in Orthodoxy of being "incapable of reading plain words of scripture without first processing them through their favorite pastor's/ theologian's best selling book so they 'don't really' mean what they say." The teaching of the Orthodox church has not changed in any significant manner since the close of the 7th council.
It is the polar opposite of the mindset of many Protestants who, with their KJV, their Strong's concordance, and the Holy Spirit each assume is the most authoritative word in exegesis.
There is no counterpart of a Creflo Dollar or a Kenneth Copeland or a Joyce Myer or a Joel Osteen in Orthodoxy.
Orthodoxy considers the early church fathers, who defined the canon of scripture, the trinity, the deity of Christ and the Holy Spirit and the dual nature of Christ, to be the best commentators on the scriptures and has not added to or modified their teaching.

The Orthodox are so adverse to change that it has become a joke.
Q: How many orthodox does it take to change a light bulb?
A: Change???

iakov the fool

 

[Jethro Bodine]

If my pastor kept saying Paul's exacte and plain words in 1 Cor 15:1-2 (NASB) was:⬇ I'd move on down the street and find a pastor that didn't chop off Paul's logic mid sentence.



Might as well say: 'You are saved, unless you believed in vain.'

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Nobody cuts the logic of the passage apart except OSAS. You've never been able to honestly explain how your interpretation of the passage doesn't violate the passage itself. Instead, you insist on blindly sticking to this ridiculous, out of context interpretation of one small part of the passage. This is why I'm really beginning to detest the Protestant mindset.

 

[Jim Parker]

We are not talking politcs here JP....start another thread if thats what you want....

AH. So you don't want to hear it.

Got it.

 

[Jim Parker]

Nobody cuts the logic of the passage apart except OSAS. You've never been able to honestly explain how your interpretation of the passage doesn't violate the passage itself. Instead, you insist on blindly sticking to this ridiculous, out of context interpretation of one small part of the passage.

Hmmmm....you noticed that too........It's not just me.

 

[Jim Parker]

You did not answer the original question JP.....deflections are not answers.....

sigh
I didn't think my answer was that challenging.
If you want to find out what Orthodoxy is about then ask an authority on Orthodoxy.

 

[chessman]

Nobody cuts the logic of the passage apart except OSAS.

Honestly, you are the one cutting out the logic of the passage by cutting out "unless you believed in vain".

I quoted you doing it in just one of numerous examples of you cutting off Paul mid logic then claiming it's what he said in 1 Cor 15:1-2.

If you didn't realize that Paul was saying some had "believed in vain", you wouldn't chop it off from the verse that says "you are saved if ..." and then turn right around and say it was his "exact words".

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Honestly, you are the one cutting out the logic of the passage by cutting out "unless you believed in vain".

I quoted you doing it in just one of numerous examples of you cutting off Paul mid logic then claiming it's what he said in 1 Cor 15:1-2.

If you didn't realize that Paul was saying some had "believed in vain", you wouldn't chop it off from the verse that says "you are saved if ..." and then turn right around and say it was his "exact words".

You choose over and over and over again to ignore what the passage itself says that "unless you believed in vain" means. And it is that exact blind and stubborn refusal to accept the plain words and context of the passage that makes the Protestant church the joke it is.