Familiar with Hanegraff?

[Jethro Bodine]

Did too!

No you did not...

I said this:

And the Catholics love to rub our noses in that fact and laugh at all the loose cannons in our self appointed structure of leaders and their beliefs in all our various denominations. And while the Catholics may be unified in their doctrine and leadership it's clear that they are not God's answer to the church having a Paul and the 12 Apostles in all generations.

To which you said this, which shows me you simply did not 'hear' what I'm saying. But that's how the Protestant church is.

He gave the RCC a Peter and well all see how well that worked out.

Like the RCC right?

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[th1b.taylor]

No you did not...

To which you said this, which shows me you simply don't care enough to 'hear' what I'm saying. But that's how the Protestant church is.



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Children!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Where does it say centralized.

Okay, good, no argument from you about God making it so we don't need anointed and appointed leadership.

Where is the Protestant Church's 'Jerusalem Council' to definitively and decisively settle once and for all doctrinal disputes and wonderings for us like the early church had? I don't know what church you go to but your denom's body of elders are not that, and neither are my denom's elders. The Protestant church doesn't have that. That's why we see all this screwball doctrine and fighting in the Protestant Church. We don't have a Jerusalem Council like God put over the early church to answer our questions about doctrine. So we are all our own authority, similar to how it was when Israel had no leader and body parts were showing up on the doorsteps of people's homes.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Children!

That's exactly right.
That's why I'm so sick of the Protestant Church.
They don't listen.

 

[JohnDB]

Destruction is easily done by the weakest of us...
To build is truly difficult.

To speak ill of obvious leaders who have built a ministry is not a good idea.

 

[th1b.taylor]

That's exactly right.
That's why I'm so sick of the Protestant Church.
They don't listen.

LOL!!!!!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Destruction is easily done by the weakest of us...
To build is truly difficult.

To speak ill of obvious leaders who have built a ministry is not a good idea.

Joyce Meyers has an awesome ministry.
You know that, right?

 

[JohnDB]

Joyce Meyers has an awesome ministry.
You know that, right?

Joyce has a ministry that few accept.
Women in ministry as leaders is always shown as a type of blessings curse. The curse is the poor spiritual condition of the people who follow her. (The woman leader isn't in sin by leading)
For the poor spiritual condition followers her ministry is a blessing.
But her followers are not ready yet for meat and only are capable of milk.

So to answer your question: Yes, she has a ministry. But it's one that isn't anything that I would recommend to anyone.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Joyce has a ministry that few accept.
Women in ministry as leaders is always shown as a type of blessings curse. The curse is the poor spiritual condition of the people who follow her. (The woman leader isn't in sin by leading)
For the poor spiritual condition followers her ministry is a blessing.
But her followers are not ready yet for meat and only are capable of milk.

So to answer your question: Yes, she has a ministry. But it's one that isn't anything that I would recommend to anyone.

Her obvious financial greed aside, I'm not surprised that you have this opinion of what she teaches. It's because, in general, the Protestant Church does not know what really counts. Therefore, they don't recognize the value of ministries that teach what really counts and then speak ill of them.

 

[reba]

Here are some of the words God gave to Paul...
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

And in my observation very few in the church know this.
That's why they can't recognize and appreciate teachers who are actually doing the greater work in the church of teaching that which counts. If the church as a whole knew this they would not be tossed about by every wind of screwball doctrine that blows.

 

[JohnDB]

Her obvious financial greed aside, I'm not surprised that you have this opinion of what she teaches. It's because, in general, the Protestant Church does not know what really counts. Therefore, they don't recognize the value of ministries that teach what really counts and then speak ill of them.

Do you understand the difference between knowledge and wisdom?

You don't give a teenage girl a nuclear weapon to play with...For obvious reasons. Nor do you give those who prefer to stay in Spiritual infancy solid instructions either.

Those who walk in a marathon aren't serious about winning the prize. And many refuse to run. That's who Joyce is for. Her ministry is good stuff for those who need it. But most graduate beyond her ministry that are serious about the faith.

Hank is for the Spiritual adolescent among us. He still gives a lot of knowledge but not a lot of wisdom.

How to properly handle such weapons like grace, forgiveness, ordinances, and love are for the more mature... Something neither is capable of teaching.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

That's who Joyce is for. Her ministry is good stuff for those who need it. But most graduate beyond her ministry that are serious about the faith.

Unless she has changed her message, you obviously do not know what she teaches.

How to properly handle such weapons like grace, forgiveness, ordinances, and love are for the more mature... Something neither is capable of teaching.

Now I know you do not know what she teaches (assuming she's still teaching the same things these days).

 

[reba]

Here are some of the words God gave to Paul...
1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.
1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.

And in my observation very few in the church know this.
That's why they can't recognize and appreciate teachers who are actually doing the greater work in the church of teaching that which counts. If the church as a whole knew this they would not be tossed about by every wind of screwball doctrine that blows.

We are the Church and this love needs to start with each of us one to another..
Personally my heart hurts at the words that fly around here .. Words i have thrown at others .. which across the board pretty much say 'if ya dont think like i do your wrong... ' I have told myself 'i say this in love' way, way too often it is not true.. I so want it to be true but i also know my own heart... The Church , the Body , from the beginning, has had problems if not we would not have the letters to the Churches.. Yet Paul speaks of love God's love...

I believe when we force ourselves to say/do what is right that is good.. as long as we are running the race it is training.. Heb, 12:1

Setting our personal goals to be more like Him .. most often does not happen in a snap... it is learned practiced til it becomes part of us...

My prayer for this Resurrection Day is to be more loving to those God has placed me in the midst off..

 

[JohnDB]

Unless she has changed her message, you obviously do not know what she teaches.


Now I know you do not know what she teaches (assuming she's still teaching the same things these days).

I'm fully aware of what she teaches and preaches...And I still stand by what I've said.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I'm fully aware of what she teaches and preaches...And I still stand by what I've said.

In your own words, what does she teach?

 

[civilwarbuff]

In your own words, what does she teach?

How 'bout starting a new thread on that.....and please ping me; sounds interesting......

 

[Jethro Bodine]

which across the board pretty much say 'if ya dont think like i do your wrong...

The problem being we seem to be afraid to draw the line at someone saying, 'the sky is green' for fear of not being loving.
Being loving does not mean we don't discuss doctrine. It means we do it in a considerate way. And where the church seems to fail the most in being loving in doctrinal discussions is refusing to 'listen' to those they disagree with and then hold unreasonable grudges against them which hardens them all the more to not being able to hear another word spoken. It's a joke.

 

[Papa Zoom]

That's exactly right.
That's why I'm so sick of the Protestant Church.
They don't listen.

You mean they don't listen to you.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

You mean they don't listen to you.

Of course I am included in that. You and civilwarbuff prove that.

For example, for all the discussion about non-OSAS vs. OSAS so many here STILL think non-OSAS is an argument for works salvation, even though I and others have repeatedly corrected with calm rebuttal that it's about faith, not works. But still, our words go unheard, and the deafness increases, and the high defenses go up higher and higher on the side of OSAS.