First Six Trumpets

[for_his_glory]

Ok, this isn’t about the 6 trumpets per say but then the other posts wander away from that too. There’s a verse in Revelations that says God will destroy those who destroy the earth. How is it then that it’s OK if He destroys the planet as you think He will?

For those new to the discussion, I think the verses about sun and moon and stars no longer functioning are metaphors for terrible things happening in a civilization.

Can you give us that scripture please.

Your last paragraph is only your point of view as you give no one scripture to go read and study for themselves.

I'm not attacking you in any way, but if we can not back ourselves up with scripture so others can read and study it for themselves then it is only taking ones own words for what they believe.

 

[DiscipleDave]

He would do better to not claim that God is personally teaching him what he believes

Better you say?

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So then you say it is BETTER that i lie and say it is not from God? If then i actually did have conversations with God, and i tell you the TRUTH that He did this, you think it would be better if i did not say it came from God, even if it did?

All liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. What i teach is what God told me in conversations, if that is a lie, then i am more than willing to burn in the lake of fire and Brimstone for all eternity.

If then you think what i teach does not come from God, then should it not be a very easy thing to do, to prove that? All false teachers preach things that are contrary to the Word of God, that is what makes them false, right? They are not false because they teach contrary to what you believe, they are false because they teach something that is contrary to Scriptures.

Therefore if you truly believe that God did not talk with me in conversations, then it should be pretty easy for you to prove this, right?

Example:

Brother Dave said "_______________________" Which contradicts this verse "__________________" Then you will have proven me to be false, because i am teaching something that is contrary to the WORD OF GOD. Just because i teach something that is contrary to YOU, does not make me false according to God.

Let me make it even easier for you to try to prove me to be false. i have made over a hundred videos on YouTube, if you can fine even one thing i say in ANY of those videos, then you will have proven me false. Should be easy right? i mean if i am false, i should be teaching false doctrines correct. False doctrines are doctrines that are contrary to Scriptures, right. So find something i have said that is contrary to the Word of God.
If you can't do so, would it not behoove you to believe that God still speaks to people even today. For it is written God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

So instead of doing the UNGODLY thing, and merely accusing that i am false, because i say God told me this or that, PROVE that He didn't, which is to merely find something i have said that is contrary to Scriptures.
You won't be able to though, know why? Because God made me a prophet of His, and thoroughly educated me on His Word and what is going to happen around the Tribulation Period.

Will you be one of those who merely accuse someone of lying but not reveal the lie told? Will you be one of those who merely accuse a person of Theft but not reveal what was stolen? Are you not accusing me of being false, yet have not even once revealed anything i said that is contrary to Scriptures. Or is it YOU THINK i am false based on your own understanding, you know what YOU THINK. We shall see.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Can you give us that scripture please.

Surprised you don’t know it since you claim you’ve studied Revelation, but sure, Rev 11:18.

Your last paragraph is only your point of view as you give no one scripture to go read and study for themselves.

No, it’s only your opinion that the sun, absolutely necessary for all life, will be rendered unable to do so and the stars, millions of them, will literally hit the earth on target. The record of the scripture actually is that this has phraseology been used to describe events in the past where this is what was prophesied and it was against a people no longer with us. It happened in the past. It’s not my opinion.

I'm not attacking you in any way, but if we can not back ourselves up with scripture so others can read and study it for themselves then it is only taking ones own words for what they believe.

I assume sone believers KNOW the scripture. My mistake.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Ok, this isn’t about the 6 trumpets per say but then the other posts wander away from that too. There’s a verse in Revelations that says God will destroy those who destroy the earth. How is it then that it’s OK if He destroys the planet as you think He will?

Rev_11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Does not say they succeeded at destroying the Earth.

The Earth as a whole is NOT destroyed either, just the Top layers of it are destroyed. God creates a New Heaven and New Earth. New Heaven is our atmosphere, which God will restore as it was prior to the Flood. A New Earth is God destroying the Top layer of the Earth, NOT the Earth itself.

Ecc_1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

The Earth will never cease to exist. And even when God destroys it (namely to wipe all existence of manmade everything) from the Face of the Earth, it is more like a Makeover, Cosmetic transformation, which does NOT DESTROY the entire Earth.

In the thousand year reign of Christ on Earth, there will be no skyscrapers, no roads, no manmade building that humans have made, not even one wall will remain standing upon the Earth, let alone seen.
The entire Earth (save a few areas only) will be like the Garden of Eden, All Natural, nothing manmade will survive.

Isaiah 65: 17-25 Has NEVER been fulfilled, this will be fulfilled in the Future.

Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth (1st and 2nd Trumpets): the land is as the garden of Eden before them (the thousand years), and behind them a desolate wilderness (Earth destroyed, top layer); yea, and nothing shall escape them.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Better you say?

Yes, it would be better if you did not claim the high ground that God himself teaches you personally what you write. You would do better to let the words you say speak for themselves without you claiming that you personally have God Himself and no man teach you. The reason is we are obligated to test your words and having done so, they do not pass and I will lay it out although one of the reasons is not the words themselves but your attacking others at the get go. The words on what will happen in the future are not the problem. Anyone can imagine what will happen in the future and it is hard to prove wrong until the future becomes today.

No one is hearing from God on matters that are difficult if they are not hearing God on matters such as speaking to others as you would like to be spoken to. For starters, it would be better if you did not start your posts with "you did not" or "you this or that" focusing on a perceived lack in the other but merely, state your view to quote your friend fhg. Drop telling the reader what you think they failed to do. It is likely not true (which indicates God is not prompting your words) and it not something those who hear from God do in any case. So drop telling the other what you think they are failing to do as a defense.

Now I tell you what you are doing wrong because you are claiming you are hearing from God and what you say is from God. I am obligated under OT and NT law to test it. If you state your opinion I am not.

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

So then you say it is BETTER that i lie and say it is not from God?

This is disingenuous. You accuse me of saying that the scripture is not from God. This is a character fault on your part.

If then i actually did have conversations with God, and i tell you the TRUTH that He did this, you think it would be better if i did not say it came from God, even if it did?

Yes. Because telling us that you personally spoke with God and what you are about to say is what God told you comes directly from pride. Why tell us this? Do you know that Jesus rarely told others that what he is teaching he got from God and that not publicly? He was the example. He could have said every time that everything he said was from God but he did not. Why? Because the words themselves were so astounding, that they KNEW it was from God. He did not need to tell them. Why not let your words, if they are from God, speak for themselves as Jesus did. He is our example. Do you need a scripture for that?

All liars will burn in the lake of fire and brimstone. What i teach is what God told me in conversations, if that is a lie, then i am more than willing to burn in the lake of fire and Brimstone for all eternity.

Huh? Why kind of theology do you hold that those who deceive themselves (and others) by saying what they think was from God wasn't should burn in hell?? What about mercy?

If then you think what i teach does not come from God, then should it not be a very easy thing to do, to prove that? All false teachers preach things that are contrary to the Word of God, that is what makes them false, right?

It is usually mixed. Even the Devil mixes truth with lies. But all of us have some elements in our thinking that are not true. And we nevertheless teach or share that. Should we be then labelled as "false teachers" because we have foolishly believed something that is not so? Where is there mercy and understanding for others as we have mercy and understanding for ourselves?

They are not false because they teach contrary to what you believe, they are false because they teach something that is contrary to Scriptures.

Therefore if you truly believe that God did not talk with me in conversations, then it should be pretty easy for you to prove this, right?

I have to some degree. But yes I can do so and it is not pleasant, but it is not at all difficult. The very prideful insistance that what you say is right from God already tells me that it likely is not. If it were, He would have instructed you to teach as Jesus did, which is let the weight of the words show that it was from God. He would have told you to stop insisting that what you teach, as opposed to everyone else, is directly from God so they had better give you their attention.

Example:

Brother Dave said "_______________________" Which contradicts this verse "__________________" Then you will have proven me to be false, because i am teaching something that is contrary to the WORD OF GOD. Just because i teach something that is contrary to YOU, does not make me false according to God.

Let me make it even easier for you to try to prove me to be false. i have made over a hundred videos on YouTube, if you can fine even one thing i say in ANY of those videos, then you will have proven me false. Should be easy right? i mean if i am false, i should be teaching false doctrines correct. False doctrines are doctrines that are contrary to Scriptures, right. So find something i have said that is contrary to the Word of God.
If you can't do so, would it not behoove you to believe that God still speaks to people even today. For it is written God is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

So instead of doing the UNGODLY thing, and merely accusing that i am false, because i say God told me this or that, PROVE that He didn't, which is to merely find something i have said that is contrary to Scriptures.

It is very unpleasant pointing out the pride that motivates you to claim what you hear is right from God but it is not at all ungodly. It is very unpleasant pointing out the pride in you that urges me to watch your videos. "Look at me" "Listen to me" is pride talking.

You know, Jesus taught because he wanted people to know and understand the truth. He did not teach so that they all would admire him.

You won't be able to though, know why? Because God made me a prophet of His, and thoroughly educated me on His Word and what is going to happen around the Tribulation Period.

This is why I think this will be fruitless because your pride in what you publish on these renders you a very strong armor against challenges, which you meet with a lack of love, gentleness, mercy, generally the fruits of the Holy Spirit. You instead accuse your brethren of wrong. Your attitude towards your own thinking resembles the false prophets in the Bible who attacked those who challenged them.

Btw, there is no "Tribulation Period" in the Bible. Jesus himself said there would be times of "great tribulation" or trouble also called "Jacobs Trouble." There are also scriptures your position cannot answer that are pretty serious like how Jesus said many times in Revelation it would all happen soon. Your view renders Jesus a liar or that the word "soon" means nothing to God, pretty poor communicator. I believe Jesus that is happened soon afterwards.

Will you be one of those who merely accuse someone of lying but not reveal the lie told? Will you be one of those who merely accuse a person of Theft but not reveal what was stolen? Are you not accusing me of being false, yet have not even once revealed anything i said that is contrary to Scriptures. Or is it YOU THINK i am false based on your own understanding, you know what YOU THINK. We shall see.

The main problem is one of character. It does not go well to correct a proud man. They turn and attack as you started out with "you......." That is a familiar pattern that I would expect anyone who hears from God would recognize. (1 For 8:1)

The problem with all of those who believe all of Matthew 24 and Revelation is in the future is that they can make up any senario and since it is in the future, they can stubbornly insist it is right. I have heard this sort of thing for decades with this nation means that and that even means this only to have time past and they were completely wrong. Books and books have been written about how Jesus is supposed to come back in the year.....and that year came and went and he did not. But while it is in the future, all imaginations are on the table.

Your friend actually did delete a post that I received from the Lord for you. I was not attacking and any true man or woman God would not be opposed to asking God what I was told to tell you to ask Him. To ask a person to ask God something is not a personal attack for the believer. For the unbeliever or those lack understanding, it can sound that way. But it was not. God actually told me to tell you to ask him something, and that something is biblical.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Rev_11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Does not say they succeeded at destroying the Earth.
The Earth as a whole is NOT destroyed either, just the Top layers of it are destroyed. God creates a New Heaven and New Earth. New Heaven is our atmosphere, which God will restore as it was prior to the Flood. A New Earth is God destroying the Top layer of the Earth, NOT the Earth itself.

Ecc_1:4 One generation passeth away, and another generation cometh: but the earth abideth for ever.

The Earth will never cease to exist. And even when God destroys it (namely to wipe all existence of manmade everything) from the Face of the Earth, it is more like a Makeover, Cosmetic transformation, which does NOT DESTROY the entire Earth.

The translation "earth" is really "land." This is often mistranslated in Revelation or Matthew 24. The "tribes of the earth" is really the "tribes of the land." The whole of the events in the first part of Matthew are the local land, meaning Judea, not merely the city. So that is easily answered if one know something about the Greek. It means lands.

In the thousand year reign of Christ on Earth, there will be no skyscrapers, no roads, no manmade building that humans have made, not even one wall will remain standing upon the Earth, let alone seen.
The entire Earth (save a few areas only) will be like the Garden of Eden, All Natural, nothing manmade will survive.

That is just your opinion. There is no scripture for that view. And I gather you personally do not like skyscrapers. Too bad. The view from some is excellent. And roads are quite nice when it is raining or snowing.

Isaiah 65: 17-25 Has NEVER been fulfilled, this will be fulfilled in the Future.

It is happening to some degree now. The world is a very different and safer place than when Jesus walked the earth.

Joe 2:3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth (1st and 2nd Trumpets): the land is as the garden of Eden before them (the thousand years), and behind them a desolate wilderness (Earth destroyed, top layer); yea, and nothing shall escape them.

Actually, this is what happened in 70 AD. Peter actually said in Acts 2 that these verses from Joel are being fulfilled in part and will continue. He literally said that those were the last days meaning the last days of that age, the Mosaic age. Peter said that was they were witnesses was spoken by the prophet Joel and quoted it. For Joel it was future. For them it was present. For us it is past.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

You know, for_his_glory and DiscipleDave, I will bow out because I think that is best for your discussion. You two believe it is all in the future and I think the worst part is all in the past. So you will discuss the trumpets and so on and what they could possible mean and I pretty much think it matches the past but that is not what this discussion is about. So I will let you discuss your points of view in peace.

Dave, I have tried to be gentle in the correction and alluded to scripture as I am not the Holy Spirit and do not like playing his role. No one can correct a futurist on his/her eschatology as all events are future and NONE are known so there is no correcting on what the trumpets could be. That was never the issue. The issue has been discussed. There is the matter of honor of God himself that is tainted by people glibly claiming that God is personally talking to them whose manner does not reflect the character or wisdom or love of Jesus but I guess the Kingdom of God is used to that one. Was common in the OT as well.

 

[DiscipleDave]

Yes, it would be better if you did not claim the high ground that God himself teaches you personally what you write.

i can do nothing against the Truth but for the Truth. i have told you the Truth, and you do not believe it. What i teach is what God told me. Therefore not taking the credit for what i teach, but giving it to God who actually told me the things i am teaching. Just because YOU THINK i am saying God told me, to somehow elevate myself in some way, is ON YOU, that is not what i do, EVER. i merely tell you the TRUTH and you reject it.

You would do better to let the words you say speak for themselves without you claiming that you personally have God Himself and no man teach you.

i will teach as God has me teach, i need not conform to what YOU THINK is the best way for me to teach. i do all things to please God, not you. Know you not that it is the Holy Spirit of God that convicts a person of this or that being wrong? Who maketh thyself to try to tell me i am wrong for the method i use to teach His Truths, when the Holy Ghost has not, even one time, ever convicted me to do otherwise. Who maketh thyself, to tell me the method i use is wrong?

The reason is we are obligated to test your words

Which i have asked you to do from the very beginning, and you have not done so. And i will even ask you yet again, reveal to me something i have said that is contrary to Scriptures? Know you not that it is plainly written to give to him that asketh of thee. Have i not time and again ask you to TEST ME via the Scriptures? YOU have NOT done so, nor will you do so, Why? Because i don't teach anything that is contrary to the Word of God, and you can't find one thing that i have said ANYWHERE that is contradicting the Word of God. And you think you have TESTED ME, you have NOT done so, nor will you. You only falsely accuse the prophets of God, based on if they teach what you teach. Pathetic.

one of the reasons is not the words themselves but your attacking others at the get go

And what person who says something false, and another points it out to them by rebuking or reproving them for saying something FALSE, will not think it is Attacking them? lol.

No one is hearing from God on matters that are difficult if they are not hearing God on matters such as speaking to others as you would like to be spoken to.

This entire statement is YOUR OWN OPINION, and can't be backed up by the Word of God at all. YOUR THINKING is incorrect. Did i now attack you, because i said your thinking is incorrect? or is that the Truth, and you merely feel like it is me attacking you?

Drop telling the reader what you think they failed to do.

i will continue to talk, as i have for 50 years now, and YOU are not going to convince me otherwise. At the age of 12 i was telling Preachers that what they are teaching is contrary to the very Word of God they claim to believe in. i have been kicked out of places of worship, because i reprove, rebuke and false doctrine that is being taught, and i will not hold my tongue, or sugarcoat NOTHING. i teach Meat of the Word, NOT Milk, Those who are on MILK of the Word will NOT eat the food that i give, which is MEAT. They will Not believe, but spit it out, even as they do to this very day.

One Time the Lord led me to a Monastery, i lived there for some time, until God showed me why i was sent there. All the Monks had Playboy Magazines. They were allowed to have them in their private rooms. i told them all, that God sent me there to tell them that He is NOT pleased with them looking at those Filthy magazines, and they kicked me out, and told me to never return. What then, if YOU Sister were there would you say i should i have done it more nicely? Or maybe you could have done it better then me? Is that what you think?
i will continue to teach as God wants me to teach. If then i am teaching something WRONG, or contrary to Scriptures then by all means reveal that, But if your panties are all bunched up because of the method i use to teach His Truths, Well i just don't care. i do all things to please God, i don't have to Change How God wants me to teach, so that you are not offended by the method i use to teach. If i have sinned anywhere, reveal it.

Woe to this generation who will believe those who come in their own names, but let a person say they come in the name of the Lord, they are cast out. YOU are a different part of the same Body of Christ, i am NOT like you, nor does God want me to be like you, He chose me before i was even born to be a prophet of His. And you can falsely claim all you like that you have TESTED ME, And if you have, it is by YOUR OWN STANDARDS and not by the Word of God. Typical for this last days generation to judge others based on what they believe, and NOT judge others based on the Word of God.

and it not something those who hear from God do in any case.

Says you.

So drop telling the other what you think they are failing to do as a defense.

Should i obey you or God? Judge.

Now I tell you what you are doing wrong because you are claiming you are hearing from God and what you say is from God. I am obligated under OT and NT law to test it. If you state your opinion I am not.

You are obligated to TEST it, using the Word of God. How many times must i say that to you? Having ears to hear but you refuse to hear with them. i am not saying, nor have i ever said "DON'T TEST ME" i have been telling people for a great many years to TEST ME, Why would i not want you to TEST ME, Because if you did TEST ME via the Word of God, then you would know that i am TRUE. But not so with this last days generation, YOU TEST ME via your own understanding. Do you not say i am false, because of the method i use to teach? NOT Scriptural. Do you not say i am false, because somehow i am not doing to others what i would have them do unto me? Which i DO, but you don't believe that i do, do you. This again, is NOT a Godly method to use to TEST someone if they are True or not True.

YOU JUDGE me to be false because that is what YOU THINK is True. You have in no way whatsoever TESTED ME by a Godly standard, and that is by His Word.

Yes. Because telling us that you personally spoke with God and what you are about to say is what God told you comes directly from pride.

That is what you THINK that it comes from pride, But i plainly tell you it come Directly from God, Which is TRUE. But since you don't believe that, i must be lying right, i must be saying all this stuff because of Pride, right? i must be saying all this stuff to try to get people to listen to me, right? i must be saying all that stuff, because i think i am holier than thou, right? i am saying all that stuff because of ______________, right?

Here is the Truth, i am saying all that stuff, for NONE of those reasons, except to say, GOD TOLD ME THOSE THINGS THAT I TEACH

Why tell us this?

God told me too. Which is ironic, He also told me this generation would not hear the Truths that He has told me. i even asked Him after He said that "If you already know they will not hear me, why then even tell them" Then He told me so they will have no cloak for their sins, that they will not be able to stand before me on Judgment Day and plead ignorance. Then i understood.

i have told you the Truth, what do i care if you reject it? i don't. Now would i desire that you believed what God told me? For sure, yes, but i don't care if you don't. satan is the god of this world right now, and BILLIONS Of professing Christians will not be going to Heaven.

Do you know that Jesus rarely told others that what he is teaching he got from God and that not publicly?

Most of the prophets of God were killed for what they taught. Jesus was killed for what He taught. Most of the Disciples were killed for what they taught. If you are a prophet today and the world loves you, you are not a True Prophet of God. You think my method of teaching is wrong, you haven't seen NOTHING yet, wait till the Two Witnesses show up, you think i am bad, just wait till you see what they say and do. This World has no clue what is coming, like cows to the slaughter, clueless what is about to happen to them.
If the world loves you and your teaching, YOUR DOING SOMETHING WRONG

 

[DiscipleDave]

The reason is we are obligated to test your words and having done so, they do not pass

i just now seen how much longer your post goes on. i will tell you this. Until you reveal something i said that is contrary to the Word of God, i am done conversing with you. i want to continue, but what does it say about the other person in the conversation when they don't answer the question you repeatedly ask them for? Are they participating in the conversation, or just wanting to cause strife?

There answer the question i have asked you time and time again, so that we can continue our discussion.



Question: Can you reveal to me something i have said, that is contrary to Scriptures.



That is the GODLY way to determine who is True and who is false.

FALSE teachers ALWAYS teach things that are contrary to Scripture, ALWAYS!

Therefore if you claim that i am False, then answer my question:



Can you reveal to me something i have said, that is contrary to Scriptures?



i will continue to answer to your replies to me "i Love you" until you answer this simple question.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

i just now seen how much longer your post goes on. i will tell you this. Until you reveal something i said that is contrary to the Word of God, i am done conversing with you. i want to continue, but what does it say about the other person in the conversation when they don't answer the question you repeatedly ask them for? Are they participating in the conversation, or just wanting to cause strife?

There answer the question i have asked you time and time again, so that we can continue our discussion.



Question: Can you reveal to me something i have said, that is contrary to Scriptures.



That is the GODLY way to determine who is True and who is false.

FALSE teachers ALWAYS teach things that are contrary to Scripture, ALWAYS!

Therefore if you claim that i am False, then answer my question:



Can you reveal to me something i have said, that is contrary to Scriptures?



i will continue to answer to your replies to me "i Love you" until you answer this simple question.

I showed you what you do contrary to the teaching of Jesus. But I am loath to have you tell untruths just to assure yourself that you are as good as you think you are, so I’ll put you on ignore. I know of people who murdered others telling them that they do that out of love. We can be sure the other didn’t feel loved and that’s all that counts.

Adieu

 

[for_his_glory]

Surprised you don’t know it since you claim you’ve studied Revelation, but sure, Rev 11:18.

No, it’s only your opinion that the sun, absolutely necessary for all life, will be rendered unable to do so and the stars, millions of them, will literally hit the earth on target. The record of the scripture actually is that this has phraseology been used to describe events in the past where this is what was prophesied and it was against a people no longer with us. It happened in the past. It’s not my opinion.

I assume sone believers KNOW the scripture. My mistake.

Thank you for that scripture I asked for.

Here's the thing, you claim you are a preterist so then you believe the doctrines they teach that everything was fulfilled in 70AD, which is fine and dandy for you as I have no problem with that, but we are futurists and find what we study in Revelation are some things that are past, present and future. Now just because you do not agree with us and deeming others wrong because you do not agree with them, the same thing can also be said about your understanding of scripture. Just saying

Do not assume anyone knows what scriptures you are speaking of if you do not give them.

What is your understanding on these scriptures below where it distinctly speaks about the sun, moon and the stars.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joel 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Thank you for that scripture I asked for.

Here's the thing, you claim you are a preterist so then you believe the doctrines they teach that everything was fulfilled in 70AD, which is fine and dandy for you as I have no problem with that, but we are futurists and find what we study in Revelation are some things that are past, present and future.

Not correct. You claim I’m a preterist. I wish you would drop the labeling. You don’t let me say what I believe. What you say is definitely NOT what I believe. So it’s not fine and dandy to be falsely accused again.

Now just because you do not agree with us and deeming others wrong because you do not agree with them, the same thing can also be said about your understanding of scripture. Just saying

Well that is actually what you do, Im more tolerant. I didn’t say others are wrong. I wish you would stop falsely accusing me.

Do not assume anyone knows what scriptures you are speaking of if you do not give them.

I know the scriptures so well I rarely need the references. But others don’t know them so well, I understand. They need the references because they don’t otherwise recognize scripture without the references. Too bad.

What is your understanding on these scriptures below where it distinctly speaks about the sun, moon and the stars.

The Bible speaks in many places of the solar bodies being disturbed and it is done before God judges and wipes out a people. It’s not my understanding it is how the Hebrew metaphors describe the events leading up to the total destruction.

Joel 2:10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
Joel 2:11 And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken

Rev 6:12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14 And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Rev 8:10 And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

God was going to judge the nation that crucified the Christ giving them every chance to repent. Jesus said He would. The jewish nation as they knew it was wiped out. This is a fact. It’s not my opinion that Jerusalem was destroyed and the nation as they knew it was eliminated.