For whom did Christ die? My understanding is, He died for all mankind

[JLB]

Wrong. And yet aother rule violation!

I've ignored no words of Scripture nor any of your words or points or questions either. I've addressed your point and questions (which by the way is a flat out good point!) about the parable of the talents relationship to the judgment of the sheep and goats.

From post #49:


From post #55 (way back):
Matthew 25:24 And the one who had received the one talent came up also and said, ‘Master, because I knew you, that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow and gathering from where you did not scatter seed.

Where does it say they both "started out as faithful"???

Right here in His teaching, Jesus gives to each of His own servants, according to their ability to be faithful with what He had given them.

“For the kingdom of heaven is like a man traveling to a far country, who called his own servants and delivered his goods to them. 15 And to one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability; and immediately he went on a journey.

• Right here is plain language, Jesus says this is about His own servants. A point that you are not acknowledging.

So because you have not acknowledged this point, I will now ask you, this question.

Did Jesus give His own servants, or the devil's own servants the goods to be faithful or unfaithful with?

1. His own servants
   
2. the devil's own servants

JLB

 

[JLB]

Where have I tried to convince you that Jesus was referring to actual sheep and goats??? Never!

But I wondered when your actual theology would show itself.

Is it God who transforms us (saves us) or do we transform (save) ourselves???

You realize even an atheist can and do feed hungry people, right?

It is God who saves, through our obedience to the Gospel.

Obeying the Gospel.

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Romans 10:9-10

Obedience to the Gospel is confessing Jesus as Lord.

• with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

It is God who transforms us by our obedience to be renewed in our mind and not be conformed to this world.

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12;2


In both cases it requires our obedience, which comes from the freedom of choice we all have.

The choice to obey or disobey.



JLB

 

[24HourJesus]

It is interpolation at worst and false teaching decided that would make an argument against Christ's actual truth. The scriptural teachings of our Lord are clear. No Christian can lose their Salvation.
And yet, in the end, the worker C will find out the truth when they stand before the Father. And must then answer him for having said eternal salvation wasn't really what he meant.
God have mercy on that ignorant soul.

 

[JLB]

It is interpolation at worst and false teaching decided that would make an argument against Christ's actual truth. The scriptural teachings of our Lord are clear. No Christian can lose their Salvation.
And yet, in the end, the worker C will find out the truth when they stand before the Father. And must then answer him for having said eternal salvation wasn't really what he meant.
God have mercy on that ignorant soul.

Again, no scriptures in the face of all the scripture I took the time to post for you.

“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2 Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 3 You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4 Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in Me.
5 “I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, bears much fruit; for without Me you can do nothing. 6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:1-6

Those who are "in Him" then removed from Him, are cast into the fire and burned.

• If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

In Him = Eternal Life
Removed from = Cast in the fire and burned.

As long as we are "in Him", we have access to the eternal life that He provides to us.

If we become removed from Him, we no longer have access to the Eternal Life that is only found "in Him".


JLB

 

[JLB]

Does He place any of His sheep on His left, yes or no?

Sheep = His people, who are faithful.
Goats = His people who become unfaithful.

He places His goats on the left.

Jesus used sheep and goats, animals to make His point.

31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

• He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.

Jesus is saying He will separate His people into two groups:

1. Faithful
2. Unfaithful.

• His people who start out as faithful then become unfaithful is the point.

• They start out as the one thing then become the other.

They can start out as sheep, then become lost.

• Can a sheep become lost, by wandering off?
• Can a Christian wander from the truth, and become a sinner?

Can good seeds, sons of the kingdom be cast into hell?
His people, His servants, sons of the kingdom who start out as faithful, but then become unfaithful, are cast into outer darkness with the hypocrites.


But the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Matthew 8:12




JLB

 

[chessman]

So because you have not acknowledged this point

You already asked me; "Was the servant who buried the talent, one of his own servants or the servant of another?"
I answered; "one of His own"

Your claim is proven false (once again).

I acknowledged this point way back here
When you asked and I directly answered your question already.

One of His own.

As I've said already. All creation belongs to the Creator (sheep, goats, faithful and wicked). So???

Your burden is to somehow show (which you have not done) how the Creator has not left all men (before and after the crucifixion) with at least one talent so that they are without excuse on Judgment Day.

And show where it ever says the wicked and lazy servant was ever faithful. You've not provided any Scripture that says he was ever a faithful servant. I understand you think he was. But why, is the question.

YES the Master entrusted him (the wicked and lazy servant) with one of His many talents.
And YES this wicked and lazy servant was one of His own servants assigned to feed His other servants at the appointed time.

Last chance; Where does this Text ever say he was once a faithful servant (i.e. one of His sheep)?

 

[24HourJesus]

7. GOAT A goat was a hollow-horned ruminant with long, floppy ears, usually covered with long, black hair. Sometimes, they were speckled.

One type of goat mentioned in the Bible has been identified as the Syrian or Mamber goat. Domesticated long before the biblical era, the goat in biblical times probably had long ears and backward-curving horns. Both male and female had horns. The most common color was black. It was a prominent source of food; the male also was used for sacrifices (Leviticus 22:27 ). A goat (called a scapegoat) was selected at random once a year on the Day of Atonement to bear symbolically the sins of the nation of Israel (Leviticus 16:10-22). The skin of the goat was used to make garments, musical instruments, and water bottles; goat hair was woven into fabrics (Exodus 26:7 ). Goats are extremely destructive to vegetation and thereby contribute to erosion, as they tear plants out of the soil. Some of the earliest drawings available depict goats eating on trees. Sheep and goats grazed in the same pasture, but it was necessary to separate the herds because the male goat was often hostile toward the sheep (Matthew 25:32 ). Today, goats are found in colors of black, gray, brown, white, and a variety of patterns and mixtures. See Ibex below.
Source:
Bible Dictionaries
Holman Bible Dictionary

 

[chessman]

9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Romans 10:8, 11-13 But what does it say? “The word is near to you, in your mouth and in your heart” that is, the word of faith that we proclaim, For the scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord is Lord of all, who is rich to all who call upon him. For “everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord will be saved.”​

The wicked and lazy servant in the parable of talents called his master (who he believed to be a "hard man" and delayed in coming) "master" and you somehow think this means he was once a faithful believer (a sheep). So, according to Paul, he will he be saved, right? Or did Paul not really mean "everyone" but rather 'most everyone'?

BTW, see Paul agrees with me. Jesus is "Lord of all".

Did the wicked and lazy servant know his master was God incarnate, risen from the dead or did he believe the master was a "hard man"?
Did any of the chief priest and elders confess Jesus was Lord and risen from the dead?

I asked;"Were the chief priest and elders at that time His people, yes or no?"

You answered

Some were and some were not.

Which of the chief priests and elders were not His people (Jewish)?
No answer to this question means your weak case is left case as weak!

And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12;2

Yes, we are to prove our mind has been renewed by the perfect (not semi-perfect) will of God.

Did the wicked and lazy servant prove himself faithful or did he prove that he "is" (not became) wicked and lazy? [remember now, he buried the one talent entrusted to him before ever drinking with drunkereds.]

Did the chief priest and elders of His people (Jews) prove themselves faithful to the Lord or wicked?

 

[Papa Zoom]

~sigh! Closed for review.