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colossians 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do

so just how serious do we take forgiving one another, Christ said if we fail to forgive others of their trespasses God will not Forgive us of ours..

not forgiving can be a good thing. what takes place if we die w/o forgiving someone? or refuse to..

stop and think about it. do we water it down or take it at face value:praying
 
I think we should take forgiveness seriously - for as we forgive so we will be forgiven.
 
colossians 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do

so just how serious do we take forgiving one another, Christ said if we fail to forgive others of their trespasses God will not Forgive us of ours..

not forgiving can be a good thing. what takes place if we die w/o forgiving someone? or refuse to..

stop and think about it. do we water it down or take it at face value:praying

Just a few questions here:

1). What is God's elect and how do you become part of the elect?

2). If you are a part of God's elect or one of the chosen people, do you have the qualities that come with being a child of God? Holy and beloved? Beloved describes those who, carrying out by their present holiness the purpose of their election, are the children of God's abiding love. 1 Thess 1:4.

This love brought about their election and set at work the means by which it was accomplished. Eph 1:3, Eph 4: 2-4 1 John 3:1 4:9-10.

A heart of compassion? Compassion for those who have done wrong...

Kindness? If we are led by the Spirit of God, we must show the same spirit—a heart of kindness to all.

Lowliness? Not proud, haughty, not thinking highly of self.

Meekness?—Gentile and forbearing.

Long suffering? It is so natural for us when falsely accused to feel that we must defend ourselves, or to resent such treatment; but of our Lord we read that when false witnesses had risen up against him "he gave him no answer, not even to one word"."

If you are part of the elect you will be blessed with these qualities, therefore, would it be so hard to forgive or even question it?

How can not forgiving be such a good thing?
 
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Sometimes forgiving those who sin against us is very hard, think how much harder it must be for our Lord to forgive some of us for our multitude of sins.
I must admit I sometimes find it very hard to forgive others but in the end, my faith wins out and I do forgive them.
However I never forget and stay on guard to these people if they are still in my life.
 
Sometimes forgiving those who sin against us is very hard, think how much harder it must be for our Lord to forgive some of us for our multitude of sins.
I must admit I sometimes find it very hard to forgive others but in the end, my faith wins out and I do forgive them.
However I never forget and stay on guard to these people if they are still in my life.

Hi,

Since we are human it is sometimes hard to forgive. In Eph 4:32, God is ready and anxious to forgive us...

Ephesians 4:32 (KJV)

32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

The kindness and mercy of God to man, his readiness and anxiety to forgive is held up as a model to the Christian. We should be ready and anxious to forgive as God is anxious to forgive us.
 
colossians 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do

so just how serious do we take forgiving one another, Christ said if we fail to forgive others of their trespasses God will not Forgive us of ours..

not forgiving can be a good thing. what takes place if we die w/o forgiving someone? or refuse to..

stop and think about it. do we water it down or take it at face value:praying


Forgiveness is not optional. Unless we are willing to forgive others we cannot receive forgiveness from God. On the other hand people tend to confuse forgiveness with reconcilation. I was told by an elder in my church that UNLESS I am willing to go back with my husband I cannot say that I have forgiving him. Forgiveness frees the forgiver. When we hold malice against the person who has done us wrong this is an unforgiving heart. I have forgiven my ex for the way he treated me, BUT I have no intention of going back with him. We must view forgiveness as a willingness to let go of what has hurt us and not keep rehashing the perceived wrong that was done to us.
 
Forgiveness is not optional. Unless we are willing to forgive others we cannot receive forgiveness from God. On the other hand people tend to confuse forgiveness with reconcilation. I was told by an elder in my church that UNLESS I am willing to go back with my husband I cannot say that I have forgiving him. Forgiveness frees the forgiver. When we hold malice against the person who has done us wrong this is an unforgiving heart. I have forgiven my ex for the way he treated me, BUT I have no intention of going back with him. We must view forgiveness as a willingness to let go of what has hurt us and not keep rehashing the perceived wrong that was done to us.
your elder was out of line...
 
your elder was out of line...

+1

I don't know the details of Abide's treatment from her husband, but is the elder saying that a womanshould go back toan abusive , beating husband? He is very foolish (I'm being polite here) If a woman and man separate over a minor dispute,of course they should try to reconcile....some "learned elders" need a reality check..BIG TIME
 
Not forgiving is like your eating rat poison,and then hoping the rat will die.

I know that from the abusive past I had, and the rage that came from righteous indignation directed inward. It could be measured.

When we can come to the point and be able to say within ourselves to our nemesis, "You owe me nothing, despite what you have taken away" You know that you have started on the forgiven road. BUT forgiveness is NOT the same thing as forgetting. Sometimes God will allow us to forget the horrid past so that we can heal. That is a gift. Other times God will not permit us to forget so that others, or ourselves do not repeat the same abuses as were done to us. That ALSO is a gift.

We know that we HAVE forgiven when we hear something good about our nemesis, and we can rejoice in God's mercy and blessing on them.

It is not easy. Sometimes it takes a long time. Surely it is better than eating those rat poison sandwiches!
 
Forgiveness is not optional. Unless we are willing to forgive others we cannot receive forgiveness from God. On the other hand people tend to confuse forgiveness with reconcilation. I was told by an elder in my church that UNLESS I am willing to go back with my husband I cannot say that I have forgiving him. Forgiveness frees the forgiver. When we hold malice against the person who has done us wrong this is an unforgiving heart. I have forgiven my ex for the way he treated me, BUT I have no intention of going back with him. We must view forgiveness as a willingness to let go of what has hurt us and not keep rehashing the perceived wrong that was done to us.

While your elder is a spiritual authority, he is also naive in two ways.

1) That is because ANY sort of abuse is a form of murder; it is THAT horrid. Abuse is also the breaking of the marital covenant (by definition) and therefore is no different than if he committed adultery.
2) That is because you are the injured party, and your leaving was an act of self-preservation; a matter of safety. Therefore it is he who needs to be reconciled to you, and not vice versa. Before any reconciliation is attempted ,it iw your right and duty to prevent further harm that hubby must COMPLETE a course in anger management, and that he must present it to you so that you can VERIFY (trust, but verify) that it was done with the recommendation of a professional.

Many abusers are narcissists, which is a step down in intensity from being a sociopath. (If you do not understand exactly what I mean with those terms, do a web search) BOTH of them are highly skilled manipulators,and they use people to attain their needs in any fashion. Therefore do NOT be surprised if hubby comes back and is very sweetly repentant. Most likely, he merely wants sex, and he will get it any way he can. In turn you will feel like a pile of dog dirt, and worthless if you get involved in any way without that precondition being met.

I sincerely hope that this helps you and edifies you.
 
colossians 3:12 Therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, put on tender mercies, kindness, humility, meekness, longsuffering; 13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do

so just how serious do we take forgiving one another, Christ said if we fail to forgive others of their trespasses God will not Forgive us of ours..

not forgiving can be a good thing. what takes place if we die w/o forgiving someone? or refuse to..

stop and think about it. do we water it down or take it at face value:praying

ezra,

you started this thread and i have asked you some questions and am still waiting for your response...
 
Forgiveness is not optional. Unless we are willing to forgive others we cannot receive forgiveness from God.
Yes. I'm also interested in more description of the full orb of what forgiveness is.

This is not to challenge your view of your ex. I agree with you (and I hope you remember I've agreed with you in the past).

I think the internal/external distinction is real, but I don't think it's the whole thing behind forgiveness. I think that hurted and hurtful feeling exposes itself into the external not simply in the conflict. That is, early on if I had encountered an "ex" on the street, that pit of my stomach feeling might make me cross the street or turn the other way. I know the feeling from much more shallow relationships. I would expect deeper feelings from your situation.

Forgiveness isn't reconciliation of the special relationship, no. But it seems to me forgiveness deals with just restoring the normal -- um civility -- that I would have on meeting the offender on the street. Restoration seems to be the BIG jump, too.

Again, I'm talking about things I don't know very well. Forgive me if I jab into sore spots, I'm trying to learn from people to be prepared for more offenses in my way.
 
ezra,

you started this thread and i have asked you some questions and am still waiting for your response...

what serious questions? should we forgive? what does the Bible say? the defination of forgiveness is remmisison . when a person harbors ill feeling and can not forgive it creates a root of bitterness. i am dealing with a thing along that issue my self. they are forgiven even though they most likely feel they done no wrong, or is even aware of it. the only way i can deal with it is pray for them ask God for help. in some cases we just have say Lord you take care of this and let it be took care of by him. so often our emtions will resul in the old man coming out. we open our mouth and say what we want. instead of staying silent... other than that not sure what your looking for..
 
what serious questions? should we forgive? what does the Bible say? the defination of forgiveness is remmisison . when a person harbors ill feeling and can not forgive it creates a root of bitterness. i am dealing with a thing along that issue my self. they are forgiven even though they most likely feel they done no wrong, or is even aware of it. the only way i can deal with it is pray for them ask God for help. in some cases we just have say Lord you take care of this and let it be took care of by him. so often our emtions will resul in the old man coming out. we open our mouth and say what we want. instead of staying silent... other than that not sure what your looking for..

Oh, ok. Thank you.
 
1). What is God's elect and how do you become part of the elect? we become the elect the moment of salvation.. unless your a calvinisist


2). If you are a part of God's elect or one of the chosen people, do you have the qualities that come with being a child of God? Holy and beloved? Beloved describes those who, carrying out by their present holiness the purpose of their election, are the children of God's abiding love. 1 Thess 1:4. at the moment of salvation we are given the power of the Holy Spirit.. the comforter councelor -spirit of truth. that helps us. is this easy.? yes and no
A heart of compassion? Compassion for those who have done wrong...
yes is it easy ? no can it be yes.
Kindness? If we are led by the Spirit of God, we must show the same spirit—a heart of kindness to all.

Lowliness? Not proud, haughty, not thinking highly of self.

Meekness?—Gentile and forbearing.

Long suffering? It is so natural for us when falsely accused to feel that we must defend ourselves, or to resent such treatment; but of our Lord we read that when false witnesses had risen up against him "he gave him no answer, not even to one word"."

If you are part of the elect you will be blessed with these qualities, therefore, would it be so hard to forgive or even question it?

How can not forgiving be such a good thing? done answered that.

the key to all your questions is found in the word of GOD.... so what does it say?
 
1). What is God's elect and how do you become part of the elect? we become the elect the moment of salvation.. unless your a calvinisist
That has nothing to do with forgiveness. And before the thread goes off on a Calvinism/Arninian tangent, there is one word which can describe both camps: SAVED. The difference is in the methodology and the ordo saludus. the way of salvation

2). If you are a part of God's elect or one of the chosen people, do you have the qualities that come with being a child of God? Holy and beloved? Beloved describes those who, carrying out by their present holiness the purpose of their election, are the children of God's abiding love. 1 Thess 1:4. at the moment of salvation we are given the power of the Holy Spirit.. the comforter councelor -spirit of truth. that helps us. is this easy.? yes and no
A heart of compassion? Compassion for those who have done wrong...
yes is it easy ? no can it be yes.
Kindness? If we are led by the Spirit of God, we must show the same spirit—a heart of kindness to all.

Lowliness? Not proud, haughty, not thinking highly of self.

Meekness?—Gentile and forbearing.
If you are a child of God, and you are created for one purpose: to glorify God and to live with Him in eternity. EVERYTHING else is secondary. Because you are a unique human, you will glorify God differently than would Tim Tebow, for example

Long suffering? It is so natural for us when falsely accused to feel that we must defend ourselves, or to resent such treatment; but of our Lord we read that when false witnesses had risen up against him "he gave him no answer, not even to one word"."
We do have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the Righteous. But remember that Paul was not afraid to use the legal system of his day to exonerate himself from false charges. OTOH you need to determine if these false charges warrant action by you; it is not wrong to protect yourself, that is a matter of common sense.

But there are times when we simply have to pray silently when falsely accused, and pray silently, Jesus vindicate me". Scripture says that it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of an angry God, and I have seen the results of unjust actions against me, and others. It is not a pretty sight.

If you are part of the elect you will be blessed with these qualities, therefore, would it be so hard to forgive or even question it?
ALL of God's children are uniquely gifted with differing talents and abilities. God does not make cut coolies.

How can not forgiving be such a good thing? done answered that. the key to all your questions is found in the word of GOD.... so what does it say?
That is a good thing to the extent that it prevents you from being abused again and again and... forgetting is not the same as forgiving. Even a dog will not go back to a human who caused it to have pain, and you are more important than a dog to God.

Below, I am re-posting something I posted earlier, hoping it will help you.

Not forgiving is like your eating rat poison,and then hoping the rat will die.

I know that from the abusive past I had, and the rage that came from righteous indignation directed inward. It could be measured.

When we can come to the point and be able to say within ourselves to our nemesis, "You owe me nothing, despite what you have taken away" You know that you have started on the forgiven road. BUT forgiveness is NOT the same thing as forgetting. Sometimes God will allow us to forget the horrid past so that we can heal. That is a gift. Other times God will not permit us to forget so that others, or ourselves do not repeat the same abuses as were done to us. That ALSO is a gift.

We know that we HAVE forgiven when we hear something good about our nemesis, and we can rejoice in God's mercy and blessing on them.

It is not easy. Sometimes it takes a long time. Surely it is better than eating those rat poison sandwiches!
 
Forgiveness: Giving up resentment against someone or my right to get even no matter what has been done to us.

Surrendering my right to hurt you back.

The deliberate willful refusal to give up one's resentment and the right to get even based on the attitude that someone has to pay for what they have done is unforgiving.

Unforgivness does not fit in the eyes of God....unforgiveness is not an act, it is a seed that grows roots. The consequences do not disappear with kind acts. There is guilt and self anger and is destructive to the soul. It is a spirit of rebellion against God, it's to say no to Him and it is a sin that does not go away until it is addressed.

Matt 6:14-15 KJV

14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:

15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

You cannot be right with God without forgiveness in our hearts....if you don't forgive you break fellowship. Make a decision that makes you become the person God wants you to be. Surrender to what is ruining your life which builds to anger and hostility.

There is no point at which we stop forgiving otherwise we suffer the consequences.

Heb 12:13-15 KJV

And make straight paths for your feet, lest that which is lame be turned out of the way; but let it rather be healed. 14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord: 15 Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled.


Luke 6:37 (KJV)
37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Ephesians 4:32 (KJV)
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.









 
Originally Posted by ezra
1). What is God's elect and how do you become part of the elect? we become the elect the moment of salvation.. unless your a calvinisist
That has nothing to do with forgiveness. And before the thread goes off on a Calvinism/Arninian tangent, there is one word which can describe both camps: SAVED. The difference is in the methodology and the ordo saludus. the way of salvation
easyyyyyyyyyyyyyy " Calvinism/Arninian tangent," try going to a calvinism forum posting that see what happens
 
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