FYI Mormonism teaches its people to be anti-Christian

[By Grace]

I post this to educate, and not to cause flaming of any person, or people. It is my opinion that too many well-meaning people do NOT know the sources of their anti-Christian beliefs, or the extent to which they are taught by their "biggies" in their church.

1 Nephi 1: 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.


Here are the words of the founder, Joseph Smith:

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
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- Prophet Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
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- Prophet Joseph Smith , The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60

From Brigham Young:"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
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- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"
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- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171


and from someone from the 1990s

"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
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- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

Therefore, these quotes express the reasons behind some of the irritating things that Mormons do on this, and on other boards.

The conclusions about the body of Mormons, as exhibited by the individuals who do post here are your own, but from the above, each of the readers now have objective facts instead of feelings from which to make true decisions about the LDS religion.

 

[jasoncran]

nothing new to me.

 

[By Grace]

nothing new to me.

TRUE

What I am waiting for is for some to complain that I am being "anti-mormon" by posting the truth

 

[jasoncran]

lol. I don't think that would happen here but if you wrote your local paper it might happen. we must tolerate all faiths but Christians. but on that note there is a local recall going on for what the city council said to a humanist over signing a petetetion. but I wont derail the thread on that.

 

[turnorburn]

In other words they are being told that we Christians are Antichrist?

The next time you see a Mormon ask them if they believe this to be true or false..

It has also been taught, by at least two of Smith’s original Twelve Apostles Orson Pratt and Orson Hyde, that Jesus was married, polygamously, of course, and had three wives, Mary and Martha, sisters of Lazarus, and Mary Magdalene.

The public was led to believe all manner of lies about us during the Inquisitions we were "and still are" considered to be the scum of the earth.

tob

http://thebooksoffoundation.blogspot.com/2012/08/the-books-of-foundation-joseph-smith.html

 

[skrwitch]

Agree 100 percent. The Book of Mormon promotes that Satan is Jesus' (spirit) brother. It's definitely of the devil. It surprises me that so many people began to follow Joseph Smith when they have some of the most weirdest beliefs. Mormonism is simply a way of Satan getting to us through a false illusion of Jesus.

 

[JLB]

I post this to educate, and not to cause flaming of any person, or people. It is my opinion that too many well-meaning people do NOT know the sources of their anti-Christian beliefs, or the extent to which they are taught by their "biggies" in their church.

1 Nephi 1: 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.


Here are the words of the founder, Joseph Smith:

"What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world"
​

- Prophet Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270

"...all the priests who adhere to the sectarian religions of the day with all their followers, without one exception, receive their portion with the devil and his angels."
​

- Prophet Joseph Smith , The Elders Journal, Joseph Smith Jr., editor, vol.1, no.4, p.60

From Brigham Young:"With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world."
​

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:199

"The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God"
​

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses 8:171


and from someone from the 1990s

"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
​

- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

Therefore, these quotes express the reasons behind some of the irritating things that Mormons do on this, and on other boards.

The conclusions about the body of Mormons, as exhibited by the individuals who do post here are your own, but from the above, each of the readers now have objective facts instead of feelings from which to make true decisions about the LDS religion.

Great post!

Very informative.

I knew it was a cult, but not to the extent you mentioned.

Fear and lies is the what Satan has always used to keep his people in bondage.


JLB

 

[By Grace]

Great post! Very informative. I knew it was a cult, but not to the extent you mentioned. Fear and lies is the what Satan has always used to keep his people in bondage.

Thank you for the compliment.

The sad thing is that these are only a FEW of the many similar quotes from Mormon leaders that are available. In only posting a few, I was wondering if some mormon apologist would come up with the "only a few statements" sort of argument, then I would add a few more statements. But no matter how hard they may struggle about the quotes, it is impossible for them to get around the statement of 1 Nephi 1:10, and that is why there are so many mormon posters who use obnoxious tactics in so many forums on the Internet.

1 Nephi 1: 10 And he said unto me: Behold there are save two churches only; the one is the church of the Lamb of God, and the other is the church of the devil; wherefore, whoso belongeth not to the church of the Lamb of God belongeth to that great church, which is the mother of abominations; and she is the whore of all the earth.

 

[Webb]

As Jasoncran said, its nothing new what ByGrace wrote but truths needed to be repeated for the spiritual benefit of those who have not yet heard and as a reminder for those of us who have heard. Peter wrote things the brethren knew but needed to be reminded of.

 

[proveallthings]

Agree 100 percent. The Book of Mormon promotes that Satan is Jesus' (spirit) brother. It's definitely of the devil. It surprises me that so many people began to follow Joseph Smith when they have some of the most weirdest beliefs. Mormonism is simply a way of Satan getting to us through a false illusion of Jesus.

This is a perfect example of people making wild assumptions from trusting the wrong sources. skrwitch, please share with us the reference in the Book of Mormon that teaches that Satan and Jesus are spirit brothers. You have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[By Grace]

Quote Originally Posted by skrwitch View Post Agree 100 percent. The Book of Mormon promotes that Satan is Jesus' (spirit) brother. It's definitely of the devil. It surprises me that so many people began to follow Joseph Smith when they have some of the most weirdest beliefs. Mormonism is simply a way of Satan getting to us through a false illusion of Jesus.

This is a perfect example of people making wild assumptions from trusting the wrong sources. skrwitch, please share with us the reference in the Book of Mormon that teaches that Satan and Jesus are spirit brothers. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a lesson from mormon games 101, and this poster is good at it.

Using the meta search capabilities of the offfal LDS "scriptures" site, he will try to prove that you are wrong because you cite a wrong source. It is unimportant to him that what you said is a TRUE statement, but he wants to make an issue of you getting the source wrong. You see, the name of the game is called "Earn the right to speak to a mormon" and you are ridiculed if the source is wrong. Isn't THAT a stunning condescension to another human, "earn the right to speak to me"?

Here are some other gems that they forget to tell you about:

Moses 5:18
And Cain loved Satan more than God. And Satan commanded him, saying: Make an offering unto the Lord.

4 Nephi 1:28
And this church did multiply exceedingly because of iniquity, and because of the power of Satan who did get hold upon their hearts.

Doctrine and Covenants 29:47
Wherefore, they cannot sin, for power is not given unto Satan to tempt little children, until they begin to become accountable before me;
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But all that is simply providing meat for further derail, and I shall not go further.


Nevertheless, if the mormons were honest (no comment needed) then they would politely refer you to the place where the doctrine was located. Instead they pile ridiculr upon the posters who do not play games with them, and play another game called "hide the bone" (of course, the mormon is calling you a dog! Do you think for a nano second that they have changed their attitude about non-mormons since before Mountain Meadow Massacre?)


Here is the source of that statement you made skrwitch, and it is below:

Abraham 3:27 And the Lord said: Whom shall I send? And one answered like unto the Son of Man: Here am I, send me. And another answered and said: Here am I, send me. And the Lord said: I will send the first.
28 And the second was angry, and kept not his first estate; and, at that day, many followed after him.
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Permit me to notify you that whenever there is a quote forom the equally spurious book of Abraham (BoA) there are two tactics used. One is to cite that this is doubted by some unknown authorities to cast doubt on that statement, and of course on you if you post it; the other course is to claim that "it is not fully translated properly" HOWEVER there is no mormon who will actually repudiate the book because it contains that heresy of Jesus and Satan being offspring of Elohim, and thus "spiritual brothers".

I KNOW that does not make sense, but in reality does ANYTHING in mormonism make sense? Of course not!

In posting this, I am NOT posting as if I was angry at the spiritually blinded mormons who believe all this garbage. Quite frankly, they are well-meaning and generally moral people, but that will not let them into God's heaven. As a result, I am greatly saddened that forums like this and others shall be witnesses against them in the final judgment when God will say "Such and such posters on Christian Forums (and on other forums) posted the truth. Why did you not fail to accept that, and believe what they said?"

But hey skrwitch, now you know the source of the cult's heresy.

 

[Deborah13]

and from someone from the 1990s
"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

Well that is interesting. Wonder how they will get around that statement, seeing they now promote the KJV more than they do the Book of Mormon?

 

[proveallthings]

I post this to educate, and not to cause flaming of any person, or people. It is my opinion that too many well-meaning people do NOT know the sources of their anti-Christian beliefs, or the extent to which they are taught by their "biggies" in their church.

By Grace, none of these statements is shocking or surprising to me. In fact, I agree with all of them within the context they were meant to be understood. You are presenting them in a context that is inaccurate and is indeed inflammatory to say the least. You are not only causing flaming, but the very purpose of this post is to flame a people. How can you deny it?

I also don’t see anything wrong with you flaming in this case, since you see these statements you are quoting as very inflammatory themselves, so you are just flaming back. I understand and don’t criticise you for it. You are simply presenting them in the same way they were presented to you. Under those circumstances, I can understand how you must feel about what is said in these quotes.

If you want me to explain the context, so you can better understand why Mormons believe these things and still believe you and other Christians are not evil or even not likely to be of the church of the devil, I will be glad to explain. However, if your true desire is just to have another excuse to call Mormonism a cult, my explanation will probably not do much good for you. I do believe that if you are truly seeking truth and understanding, my explanation will be illuminating and though it won’t likely persuade you to accept Mormonism, you will at least give you a perspective that allows you to consider us with a less critical heart.

Let me know what you want from me.

Thanks for listening

 

[proveallthings]

and from someone from the 1990s
"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

Well that is interesting. Wonder how they will get around that statement, seeing they now promote the KJV more than they do the Book of Mormon?

Allow me to explain here. First of all, although I have not seen this quote in its original context, I seriously doubt that the word Christianity in parentheses was included in the original quote, but was added by a critic of the church. The abominable organization he is referring to is the Roman Catholic Church during the middle ages. It is obvious that Elder McConkie never believed that organization to be true Christianity. How can anyone aware of history deny that that organization was influenced more by Satan than by Christ.

Just because the Bible is not the same as it was when originally written by the apostles and prophets, does not mean it is not still the word of God, worthy of being considered scripture. It just means that much of what would have made it clearer and plainer was taken out. That is why there is and has been over the centuries, so much controversy over its interpretation. With the guidance of living prophets and apostles it is not so much a problem, but without such divine guidance, there is and has been much misunderstanding and confusion.

So I hope you can see that it is not a matter of getting around this statement, but rather just understanding it better.

 

[Deborah13]

and from someone from the 1990s
"...the Book of Mormon remains secure, unchanged and unchangeable, ...But with the Bible it was not and is not so....it was once in the sole and exclusive care and custody of an abominable organization (Christianity), founded by the devil himself, likened prophetically unto a great whore, whose great aim and purpose was to destroy the souls of men in the name of religion. In these hands it ceased to be the book it once was."
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, The Joseph Smith Translation, pp. 12, 13

Well that is interesting. Wonder how they will get around that statement, seeing they now promote the KJV more than they do the Book of Mormon?

Allow me to explain here. First of all, although I have not seen this quote in its original context, I seriously doubt that the word Christianity in parentheses was included in the original quote, but was added by a critic of the church. The abominable organization he is referring to is the Roman Catholic Church during the middle ages. It is obvious that Elder McConkie never believed that organization to be true Christianity. How can anyone aware of history deny that that organization was influenced more by Satan than by Christ.

Just because the Bible is not the same as it was when originally written by the apostles and prophets, does not mean it is not still the word of God, worthy of being considered scripture. It just means that much of what would have made it clearer and plainer was taken out. That is why there is and has been over the centuries, so much controversy over its interpretation. With the guidance of living prophets and apostles it is not so much a problem, but without such divine guidance, there is and has been much misunderstanding and confusion.

So I hope you can see that it is not a matter of getting around this statement, but rather just understanding it better.

I do respect you addressing this. Seeing we know now, because of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other texts, that our translations are really quite accurate.

 

[proveallthings]

I do respect you addressing this. Seeing we know now, because of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other texts, that our translations are really quite accurate.

I should add that I personally believe that most of the things that were removed during the corrupt period of the state run Catholic Church would have occurred with the texts of the New Testament and not so much the Old. I think it is also likely that this organization was responsible for the loss of several other books that were worthy of being in the Bible. The Bible quotes several books of scripture that are not in our current Bibles. Those books that the authors of the Bible considered canonical may have added much to our understanding if we had them today.

 

[proveallthings]

Quote Originally Posted by skrwitch View Post Agree 100 percent. The Book of Mormon promotes that Satan is Jesus' (spirit) brother. It's definitely of the devil. It surprises me that so many people began to follow Joseph Smith when they have some of the most weirdest beliefs. Mormonism is simply a way of Satan getting to us through a false illusion of Jesus.

This is a perfect example of people making wild assumptions from trusting the wrong sources. skrwitch, please share with us the reference in the Book of Mormon that teaches that Satan and Jesus are spirit brothers. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a lesson from mormon games 101, and this poster is good at it.

Using the meta search capabilities of the offfal LDS "scriptures" site, he will try to prove that you are wrong because you cite a wrong source. It is unimportant to him that what you said is a TRUE statement, but he wants to make an issue of you getting the source wrong. You see, the name of the game is called "Earn the right to speak to a mormon" and you are ridiculed if the source is wrong. Isn't THAT a stunning condescension to another human, "earn the right to speak to me"?

By Grace,
The Book of Mormon is very sacred to me. When someone makes a public statement about what it contains that is not true, it is obvious they are simply parroting what they have heard others say and have no idea of what they are saying from personal learning. It shows they are simply trusting only what critics have said instead of finding out for themselves from the actual source. To me that is irresponsible and they need to be called on it.

Yes, it is true that Jesus and Lucifer are sons of the same Father, which is exactly what the Bible teaches. Just because you were not taught this in Sunday School doesn't mean it isn't true. It also does not take anything away from the power and glory of Jesus Christ. He is still God, who created this earth and countless other worlds. He was God long before the creation of this earth. That is what Mormons believe and there is nothing about these beliefs that contradict the Bible if you understand what the Bible is trying to say.

 

[Eugene]

The Book of Mormon is very sacred to me.

Why?

When someone makes a public statement about what it contains that is not true

The little I have read of this thread shows different ones saying the doctrine of Jesus and Satan being brothers is not true, and you seemingly defending it. Can you prove it, and are the following statements true?

Devil
A. The Devil was born as a spirit after Jesus "in the morning of pre-existence," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 192).
B. Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
C. A plan of salvation was needed for the people of earth so Jesus offered a plan to the Father and Satan offered a plan to the father but Jesus' plan was accepted. In effect the Devil wanted to be the Savior of all Mankind and to "deny men their agency and to dethrone god," (Mormon Doctrine, p. 193;Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 8).

God
A. God used to be a man on another planet, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 321; Joseph Smith, Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 613-614; Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, vol. 2, p. 345; Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, vol. 7, p. 333).

Jesus
A. The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129).
B. Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163;Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15).

 

[Jamesone5]

I do respect you addressing this. Seeing we know now, because of the Dead Sea Scrolls and other texts, that our translations are really quite accurate.

I should add that I personally believe that most of the things that were removed during the corrupt period of the state run Catholic Church would have occurred with the texts of the New Testament and not so much the Old. I think it is also likely that this organization was responsible for the loss of several other books that were worthy of being in the Bible. The Bible quotes several books of scripture that are not in our current Bibles. Those books that the authors of the Bible considered canonical may have added much to our understanding if we had them today.

A lot of what you say here goes along with what I define as a "belief in a Lillie God versus a Belief in the God of the Bible that man cannot thwart." Mormons teach of a "little God' Who is unable to transmit and preserve His Word or even inspire men to translate His Word into other languages, as the centuries progress. The dark ages of the Catholic Church did not ever "take away" from God's True Word and it's really up to us to allow the Holy Spirit to lead us into "all Truth" as Jesus Promises in John 16:13. As to the other supposed worthy Books that are not included in the Canon of Scripture----relevance is always a factor and I always feel that one must learn 66 books of the Bible first before one thinks one must ask for more Scripture. But then, as they say "the more one knows about Scripture the more one realizes he has yet to know" because not only does Scripture interpret Scripture but there is a unique harmony in the Old an New Testaments where the Old testifies of the New and visa- versa.

 

[By Grace]

Yes, it is true that Jesus and Lucifer are sons of the same Father

Your blasphemy is well noted, and you are also wrong in saying that the Bible teaches that.

Please supply the book, chapter and verses IN CONTEXT that you believe supports this blasphemy in the Bible.