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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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Bible Study Galations 2:20
- Thread starter Soul man
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th1b.taylor
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No, I lean in the other direction because my study leads me that way. In Luke 1:37 and at least 12 other verses we learn God is Omnipotent, He can accomplish anything! And in Psalm 147:5 and at least a dozen oter verses we learn God is Omniscient. And once more, in Psalm 139:7-10 that God is Omnipresent having no less than 17 more verses mentioning this.
So God is all powerful and can do anything, He knows everything we will ever do before we think of it and God is everywhere and is present in every time, present, future and was in the past. So it is that in Genesis 1 & 2 we find God creating the first two human beings. And we find God getting personal with the creation of Adam and actually breathing Life into Adam demonstrating the he had not existed before. I cannot accept the idea that we existed before we were given a body and iif it were so, why are we so ignorant at birth? That lends itself to the stupid, though popular, idea that therde is something God cannot do. That is not what you said, at all, but that is where the heritics will go from there.
th1b.taylor
Member
I'm sorry but I see nothing in either passage that will support preexistence.
Yes, I agree.
I am relating to what is written in the bible, for all to read, and for all to discern. My discernment is that God the Father never abandoned his Son, nor His children (brothers and sisters in Christ).
Not_Now.Soon
Member
I can't speak for anyone else, but for me the idea of being born again is perplexing. It is indeed important, but there's a verse (in the gospels or in revelations) that Jesus will separate the nations as a Shepard separates the sheep and the goats. In these verses the people who are accepted ask when they did anything Jesus says they did, and the same with those rejected asked when they didn't help Jesus in the moments of need that He describes.
If there is merit to this then there is likely going to be some perplexion of who is saved, who was born again, and who has the Holy Spirit. We might be surprised who is saved and who isn't when we are all called to account.
This leads itself to the second aspect if perplexion with regard to being born again. There was a time when in my area I saw people differentiate themselves from regular Christians. First saying they are not just Christians, but born again Christians. Then later other added to the title. Born again of the spirit Christians.
This title (while hopefully true at least by some of them) seemed like it was made in a holier then thou kind of way, and to bring a separation of self importance among other Christians.
It's important to have the Holy Spirit, and pray for Him, that God would give us the Holy Spirit. The title however, still raises a red flag to me.
This might be just me. But if I'm not alone in this observation then it could be a reason the topic isn't approached as often. Or why it's not understood. Good luck in your guys' study. Hope to read more.
Also, do not forget that God gave of Himself (His breath) in all things alive. God knew us before we became a living being made from dust.
Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Job 33:4 The Spirit of God has made me, And the breath of the Almighty gives me life.
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In relation to Galatians 2:20, there is 1 Corinthians 15:45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
Which is completely different again.
Yes, good points.
Much is explained in 1 Corinthians chapter 15.
There is only one thing of value in us worth knowing about, worth saving, worth salvation, worth loving, and that is: whatever Truth we harbor in us.
The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, lets us to know what Truths to harbor. It quickens us by its love for Truth. It is the YES in us.
It gives life to our soul.
The Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, lets us to know what Truths to harbor. It quickens us by its love for Truth. It is the YES in us.
It gives life to our soul.
th1b.taylor
Member
Uuummm, no. God gave of Himself in Adam and it therefore a reasonable thing to assume that the Bone and Flesh of his Bone and Flesh also is made in the image of God but I find nowhere that He instilled His image in any animal.
Genesis 1:30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds in the sky and all the creatures that move along the ground everything that has the breath of life in it, I give every green plant for food." And it was so.
I do not assume that other life have given to themself life.
I do not assume that other life have given to themself life.
Edward
2024 Supporter
There isn't. I posted that because it's what I do now. He had said something about reciting the first verse of a Psalm. I pray the whole thing Brother.
th1b.taylor
Member
I am sorry, but does not say Gd paced anu part f Himself into the animals. Again, I'm sorry but you are teaching a thing you believe and not what Gd has had recorded and that can be eternally fatal.
th1b.taylor
Member
I can be just as boneheaded as anyone else! Please accept my apology.
Using your own words in part:
that He did not breathed life into everything that has the breathe of life in it.
However, I am still providing further scripture:
Genesis 6:17 "Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven; everything that is on the earth shall perish.
Psalms 33:6 By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
Meaning, all that host (live) in the heavens (universe).
th1b.taylor
Member
Your Genesis 6 passage has nothing to do with breathing life mouth to mouth into the animals, and considering that God indicates man to be his Crowning Creation, with his image stamped thereon and there is no mention in the text, you are doing the very thing God has warned us not to ever to do three times in scripture, to neither add to nor delete any part of the scripture, three times and I recall two of the addresses; Duet, 4:2 and at the very end of The Revelation of the Christ. The last mention carries a damnable curse that is tagged on it. Some will get very Liberal with the Word of God and say these books containing this warning are the books this applies to but I must ask, are you willing to risk your eternal life on?
And then:
33 Shout for joy in the Lord, O you righteous!
Praise befits the upright.
2 Give thanks to the Lord with the lyre;
make melody to him with the harp of ten strings!
3 Sing to him a new song;
play skillfully on the strings, with loud shouts.
4 For the word of the Lord is upright,
and all his work is done in faithfulness.
5 He loves righteousness and justice;
the earth is full of the steadfast love of the Lord.
6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
7 He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap;
he puts the deeps in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9 For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.
10 The Lord brings the counsel of the nations to nothing;
he frustrates the plans of the peoples.
If the Psalm is read in Context and not convoluted with our ow thoughts and/or wishes, verse six says nothing of the kind.
You must always remember the one rule of scripture that is essential: No Scripture can be fully understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it!must never be d
You have drawn a single verse out of it's local, area and it's complete context and that must never be done, as per the scriptures, themselves.
And then:
33 Shout for joy in the Lord, O you righteous!
Praise befits the upright.
2 Give thanks to the Lord with the lyre;
make melody to him with the harp of ten strings!
3 Sing to him a new song;
play skillfully on the strings, with loud shouts.
4 For the word of the Lord is upright,
and all his work is done in faithfulness.
5 He loves righteousness and justice;
the earth is full of the steadfast love of the Lord.
6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made,
and by the breath of his mouth all their host.
7 He gathers the waters of the sea as a heap;
he puts the deeps in storehouses.
8 Let all the earth fear the Lord;
let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him!
9 For he spoke, and it came to be;
he commanded, and it stood firm.
10 The Lord brings the counsel of the nations to nothing;
he frustrates the plans of the peoples.
If the Psalm is read in Context and not convoluted with our ow thoughts and/or wishes, verse six says nothing of the kind.
You must always remember the one rule of scripture that is essential: No Scripture can be fully understood without the light of all scripture shinning on it!must never be d
You have drawn a single verse out of it's local, area and it's complete context and that must never be done, as per the scriptures, themselves.
Genesis 7:21 All flesh that moved on the earth perished, birds and cattle and beasts and every swarming thing that swarms upon the earth, and all mankind;
I love the Love that loves me. That Love is from God's Spirit, Christ's Spirit, The Spirit of Truth loving the Truth, which is God. Reading Scripture correctly moves the Spirit of Truth with love for the Truth. Without this, how is anybody to know what is true or not without doubt (fearless). Those that fear scripture do so without love for its Truth, for they have not yet discerned it enough. They only read the cover-story and have not read it with an the open-heart of unconditional humbleness. That is how Hebrews 4:12 operates. Without this sort of unconditional love for the Word, no real depth of Truth will be revealed (revelation). Those that fear revelation fear Truth, for they lack faith in discernment. Truth is a knowing which is not based on logical thinking and reasoning, but on faith alone. Jesus revealed deeper truths in the scriptures and was basically crucified for doing so. As a Christian, I am prepared to follow His way the truth and the life regardless of fears thrusted at me.
You asked..
my love for the Love that loves me; for following the Love of Truth revealed. Yes.
I do not fear hell, I have already been there. All I care about is loving the Love that loves me, for that part belongs to God; anything else deserves obliteration.
th1b.taylor
Member
Seriously? You are going to baffle me with B.S.? Nothing in your post and as I recall it, your string has one single thing to do with the subject posted nor anything to do with my post you pretended to reply to. That is and wqs not Christ-like but it was childishly deceptive like the Father of Lies.
Do you want to try that again so that I'm not ashamed to admit you are an associate of mine?
Wow, you have so much fear and tension in you brother.
Sorry, but I will not abide to your fears. To do so requires me to return to my old nature.
If it becalms you, feel free to not associate with me.
Soul man
Member
Galations 2:20 (the cross) is the fulfilling of Eph. 1:4, and is the great liberating secret we so diligently search the scriptures for.
The Bible tells us exactly what God thought at that very moment. In Ephesians 1:4 we read,
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
According to this idea, God made a choice that all His sons would be in Christ. He made that choice before the foundation of the world.
It is not surprising that the most often stated truth in the New Testament is that of being "in Christ."
It is stated more than any other single concept. The great liberating secret comes from the statement, "in Christ" God created free moral agents, just like you and I, with a plan that one day we would come to a place where we find that we cannot save ourselves and need help.
Our lives might be in turmoil, and we may come to the conclusion that we can not work it out by ourselves. At that moment, God’s liberating secret goes into effect because we have the free-will option of turning to Jesus; and when we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, God births the liberating secret in us.
An unfortunate fact today is that multitudes of believers who are saved do not know the liberating secret. They have no understanding of Christ in them and what that means.
The only way there can possibly be another person in you is to have a conception, which brings about a birthing.
There is no other way to accomplish a birthing action. From the time God decided He was going to put Christ in the believer to the time He first did it, at least 4,000 years passed. Everything that happened during that time period had to do with setting the stage to bring about the liberating secret.
As born-again believers, we know something that neither Isaiah, Moses, Abraham, Jacob, nor Adam knew. We know something that no one in this world knew for over 4,000 years. We know that the only way a creature can ever please God is for God to take a part of Himself and put it into the creature.
Throughout the entire Old Testament, the theme is that people must do something to please God. God allowed the people in the Old Testament to approach Him by their own work, however, they had to offer a sacrifice by killing an animal. The required sacrifice pointed to the Cross, but killing an animal did not save the people, as there was no life in anything they did (1 John 5:12),
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
God waited 4,000 years until the momentous event of the Cross came about.
The Bible tells us exactly what God thought at that very moment. In Ephesians 1:4 we read,
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
According to this idea, God made a choice that all His sons would be in Christ. He made that choice before the foundation of the world.
It is not surprising that the most often stated truth in the New Testament is that of being "in Christ."
It is stated more than any other single concept. The great liberating secret comes from the statement, "in Christ" God created free moral agents, just like you and I, with a plan that one day we would come to a place where we find that we cannot save ourselves and need help.
Our lives might be in turmoil, and we may come to the conclusion that we can not work it out by ourselves. At that moment, God’s liberating secret goes into effect because we have the free-will option of turning to Jesus; and when we believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, God births the liberating secret in us.
An unfortunate fact today is that multitudes of believers who are saved do not know the liberating secret. They have no understanding of Christ in them and what that means.
The only way there can possibly be another person in you is to have a conception, which brings about a birthing.
There is no other way to accomplish a birthing action. From the time God decided He was going to put Christ in the believer to the time He first did it, at least 4,000 years passed. Everything that happened during that time period had to do with setting the stage to bring about the liberating secret.
As born-again believers, we know something that neither Isaiah, Moses, Abraham, Jacob, nor Adam knew. We know something that no one in this world knew for over 4,000 years. We know that the only way a creature can ever please God is for God to take a part of Himself and put it into the creature.
Throughout the entire Old Testament, the theme is that people must do something to please God. God allowed the people in the Old Testament to approach Him by their own work, however, they had to offer a sacrifice by killing an animal. The required sacrifice pointed to the Cross, but killing an animal did not save the people, as there was no life in anything they did (1 John 5:12),
12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
God waited 4,000 years until the momentous event of the Cross came about.
I liked the way you explained this. It has inspired me to add the following.
When the heart is empty of Holy Spirit, ignorance is there. Then speech becomes an urge and passion to fill the emptiness with pride-filled stories of self-esteem. But when the heart is filled with Holy Spirit, Truth is there, and no speech is required, needed, or left wanting. We ‘know’ the Truth.