Gap creationism

[seekandlisten]

you dont understand.

Please explain?

mixing world views.
evolution is naturalsim
christianity is a world view. both are incompatible

Well if your religion contradicts the evidence in front of us I would suggest re-evaluating your religion.

one can't be a christain naturalist. hard to do.

You hold many preconceived ideas about what 'God' can and can't do. You believe, as a Christian, that God's will be done right? If God's plan includes evolution are you against it simply because your religion told you so? Religion is man's creation not God's.

cheers

 

[seekandlisten]

I have to leave for now jason so let me simply ask you this.

Does evolution contradict God's word or does it simply contradict man's explanation that Genesis 1 must be read literally?

I have enjoyed this conversation and will check back as time permits.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

so as to be able articulate properly what bacon believed and what science was until 1983.

again see my christian naturalist comment.

if God is using a proccess to create the universe(evolution) then we can hold him to deaths of all the person in haiti and diseases. and so on as that is natural selection.

that is the conundrum

btw were starting to circle here.

because naturalism is this there is no after life , no death , no nothing but only materialism

that is why it hard to be a christian naturalist.

christianity is this, there is god in heaven.hell is real, God sent jesus to die for your sins so that you will see eternal life.


darwin died in sin and never was a christian.

 

[jasoncran]

I have to leave for now jason so let me simply ask you this.

Does evolution contradict God's word or does it simply contradict man's explanation that Genesis 1 must be read literally?

I have enjoyed this conversation and will check back as time permits.

cheers

contradict God's word. not my explanation of it. but how i have read it for myself and the nature of God.

would you call the death of innocent babies in order to further the species as whole a good thing when an a loving , powerful, and all knowing God can do it better. Is God cruel? think about it, life is cruel and God wanted it to be that way.

that is part a i simply cant my head around.

 

[seekandlisten]

if God is using a proccess to create the universe(evolution) then we can hold him to deaths of all the person in haiti and diseases. and so on as that is natural selection.

One can point the finger and blame whoever they want, from 'God' to 'Voodoo'(in the case of Haiti). The Bible however points to self reflection.

darwin died in sin and never was a christian.

Did you know what was in his heart? There are many Christians who don't fear the same judgement they dish out on others even though the Bible says you will be judged in the same manner that you judge others.


cheers

 

[jasoncran]

he died in unbelief, his last words are in his diary.
he never accepted christ as he wasnt sure if he really existed and never recanted that.

nor did he says that in his diary.

i will check this for sure.

he wanted evidence 'scientific' evidence for the existence of God. i will dig up a link on that. i found it before.

 

[jasoncran]

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Did_Charles_D ... _evolution

his ascent from belief into agnostiscm.

it sad if he did die in unbelief.

 

[seekandlisten]

it sad if he did die in unbelief.

It's a good thing 'God' accepts us on our hearts not theology. Remember I too am agnostic. We all die physically in sin as all have sinned right?

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

sadly by all acounts he did die in unbelief. :verysad
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/darwin.html

and i noticed the pattern when one looks at evolution, you doubt what was the truth and inspired word of God, as darwin did.

 

[seekandlisten]

sadly by all acounts he did die in unbelief. :verysad

It would only be sad to those who don't let God do his job.

and i noticed the pattern when one looks at evolution, you doubt what was the truth and inspired word of God, as darwin did.

Nothing will cause someone to doubt the 'truth' and 'inspired' word of God quicker than a dogmatic belief in YEC in light of all the evidence. Just sayin'.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

he darwin never recanted his denial that christ was the messiah,

you cant blame that one on creationism, as the idea of st.augustine was and has been well known even then. he could have reconciled that like you have been attempting me to take a look at.

darwin's dad and parents encouraged doubt. not instilled the we should just believe in God.they didnt properly address his doubts by telling him to seek what the lord says.

they werent very orthodox in thier beiliefs.

universalism isnt a christian faith. it believes that all will be saved no inclusions.

but we are speaking on something that really wont matter as darwin is dead.

you are dogmatic for a follower of mushin. odd since there's nothing good or bad only what is.

all followers of zen are dogmatic on something, one cant be open to all and be real to what one believes. if so then what is the truth to you isnt really the truth to you. you must exclude

my salvation isnt based on evolution but on christ :D

 

[seekandlisten]

he darwin never recanted his denial that christ was the messiah,

That is between him and God, I don't think a public announcement was necessary for God to figure out where his heart was.

universalism isnt a christian faith. it believes that all will be saved no inclusions.

Why do Christians want some to 'burn eternally' so bad?

While I hope all are 'saved', I know that decision is of no concern to me.

you are dogmatic for a follower of mushin. odd since their is nothing good or bad only what is.

Interesting how you decided that? I had to look up the term to know what it was.

all followers of zen are dogmatic on something, one cant be open to all and be real to what one believes. if so then what is the truth to you isnt really the truth to you. you must exclude

One realizes that all must chose their own path. I am accountable to myself so what I believe in must be real to me. What must I exclude people from? My personal beliefs? I don't hold the right to decide who enters and who is excluded from 'God's kingdom' so I needn't worry about that.

my salvation isnt based on evolution but on christ :D

As it should be. I don't think evolution claims to be the way to salvation in any way.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

i know what zen is. i did alot of things that are found it when i did martial arts. lately this art. fugakai akido.

zen buddism

bruce lee quote.paraphrased.
'by giving my art the name of jeet kune do i have limited it to that definition, for in zen by naming something and defining it it is limited to that defintion.However its hard to teach this and it was named for this reason"

when you exclude something in your "path" your doing the same as me.as that is saying that aint the truth.

but will leave the debating zen for later.

i understand zen far better then alot would think. i choose not to believe in that anymore.


zen is all in akido.
its a zen concept to blend in with the attack from uke
its zen when the uke falls as the person defending(tori) never adds his own energy to the uke only returns the energy given in the attack
its zen when doesnt have a favorite technique, as one musnt choose on way over the other.

 

[watchman F]

it sad if he did die in unbelief.

It's a good thing 'God' accepts us on our hearts not theology. Remember I too am agnostic. We all die physically in sin as all have sinned right?

cheers

Unless you put your trust in Jesus Christ as your savior you will go to Hell. How can you accept Christ if you are not sure whether or not God exists?

 

[Mysteryman]

it sad if he did die in unbelief.

It's a good thing 'God' accepts us on our hearts not theology. Remember I too am agnostic. We all die physically in sin as all have sinned right?

cheers

Unless you put your trust in Jesus Christ as your savior you will go to Hell. How can you accept Christ if you are not sure whether or not God exists?

Hi seekandlisten:

Don't worry, what other such posters tell you. You are correct, in that God looks at your heart. Your not going to hell, unless you sin a sin unto death. Such as the sin of murder.

The Word tells us, "God so loved" - "the world" - that he gave his only begotten Son etc.

However, there is a much greater reward for accepting. totopic

I see within your posts , some belief of the scriptures , -

 

[veteran]

For those here who think the Gap idea might be false, why not go directly into God's Word itself and find out, instead of just giving personal opinions only based on what 'others' have said about it? One can cut and paste what others say about it from Wikipedia, or many other websites all day long, and it's useless in proving anything other than the fact that you found others which agree with YOU. If all I had to do was find others that agreed with me on something to determine what is truth, then I should be in a sad deceived state indeed.

And here's a couple of required rules of study... must go to the manuscripts of the Old Testament some, especially for the REAL meaning of "without form, and void" in the Hebrew. The Americn Standard Version Bible actually has the most accurate translation of "without form, and void" from the Hebrew.

 

[watchman F]

It's a good thing 'God' accepts us on our hearts not theology. Remember I too am agnostic. We all die physically in sin as all have sinned right?

cheers

Unless you put your trust in Jesus Christ as your savior you will go to Hell. How can you accept Christ if you are not sure whether or not God exists?

Hi seekandlisten:

Don't worry, what other such posters tell you. You are correct, in that God looks at your heart. Your not going to hell, unless you sin a sin unto death. Such as the sin of murder.

The Word tells us, "God so loved" - "the world" - that he gave his only begotten Son etc.

However, there is a much greater reward for accepting. totopic

I see within your posts , some belief of the scriptures , -

WHAT!!! Teaching such false doctrines as this send many people to hell unaware of there need for repentance.

 

[seekandlisten]

when you exclude something in your "path" your doing the same as me.as that is saying that aint the truth.

Like I've said, I don't agree with religion. So when it comes down to studying religions I disagree as much with the dogmatic views of another religion just as much as the dogmatic views of Christianity.

As far as what we exclude from our 'path', that is why we all must make the journey. I don't need to accept someone else's word on on it as if it is important and 'God' thinks I should know it, I'm sure He'll show me in a way that I don't have to ignore physical evidence to accept.

I notice your view on the 'eastern religions' seems to be associated more with the martial arts aspect of them. That is one area I'm not as familiar with what is taught. I am interested in learning more in that area but haven't looked into it yet. When it comes to zen buddhism, I have read more of Alan Watts then anything coming from the religious teachings themselves. I have studied more of the religious views in regards to Buddhism and Taoism.

cheers

 

[seekandlisten]

Hi seekandlisten:

Don't worry, what other such posters tell you. You are correct, in that God looks at your heart.

Thank you for the kind words. Don't worry, I know my eternal fate isn't decided by a poster on an internet forum.

cheers

 

[jasoncran]

because judo, aikido and all eastern martial arts comes from the hindu art of yoga and that v worded one, along the the way buddhists,taoists, and shintoist and muslims added there pennies to it.

this is reaserachable, many articles written on this.