Gentile’s kept the Seventh Day Sabbath

[Elteqay]

Genesis 2:
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished and all the host of them.
2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Sabbath is the seventh day, which by our calendar makes it a Saturday. It is the day God rested after creating everything including man and woman. God sanctified it meaning He set it apart from all the other days as a day He rested from all His work. From the time of Adam to that of Mt. Sinai it was never commanded as being a holy day or that all mankind was to rest on that day. It was a holy day as God being Holy and rested that day.

The Hebrew Sabbath was instituted by God given to Moses in Exodus 16 as a day that started from Friday at sunset to Saturday at sunset as a day of remembrance or a memorial of the Exodus exile as God parted the sea bringing the Hebrews to the promised land by defeating their foes. Hebrews used a Lunar Calendar that is different from our Gregorian calendar we use today.

The Sabbath was a ceremonial law practiced and that of the Old Covenant, the same covenant that circumcised and sacrificed animals. Some may literally circumcise, but we do not sacrifice animals anymore. This ceremonial law was only for Israel and not the Gentiles as now under the new covenant that joins Israel and Gentiles together under the grace of God the ceremonial laws no longer exist as Jesus is now our sacrifice whom we find rest in.

You certainly have, as well as mungo a right to have your assumptions...the paleo Hebrew text most definitely disagrees with your interpretation. Genesis 26:5....because Abraham obeyed My Voice, kept My charge, My statues, and guarded My Commandments, and kept My Laws.

Mungo says, same words but different meaning between Abraham and his children.

Adam and Eve by the sweat of their brow ate their bread....and you honestly think their Creator did not speak to them concerning His Sabbath ? Right !

 

[Mungo]

Maybe you should reread your post.....same words used for charges, statues, and guarding commandments, but according to you, they don't mean the same. As I said, you're being intellectually dishonest.

They don't necessarily refer to the same set of things.

Some of God's commandments apply to all people for all time. For example the commandment not to murder

Some of God's commandments only apply to a particular group of people at a particular time. For example the command to circumcise.

There is nothing intellectually dishonest about that. It is a fact.

 

[for_his_glory]

You certainly have, as well as mungo a right to have your assumptions...the paleo Hebrew text most definitely disagrees with your interpretation. Genesis 26:5....because Abraham obeyed My Voice, kept My charge, My statues, and guarded My Commandments, and kept My Laws.

Mungo says, same words but different meaning between Abraham and his children.

Adam and Eve by the sweat of their brow ate their bread....and you honestly think their Creator did not speak to them concerning His Sabbath ? Right !

Please show Mungo and me where it says in scripture that Gentiles are to keep the sabbath day then we will have something to discuss.


Mark 2:23 And it came to pass, that he went through the corn fields on the sabbath day; and his disciples began, as they went, to pluck the ears of corn.
Mark 2:24 And the Pharisees said unto him, Behold, why do they on the sabbath day that which is not lawful?
Mark 2:25 And he said unto them, Have ye never read what David did, when he had need, and was an hungred, he, and they that were with him?
Mark 2:26 How he went into the house of God in the days of Abiathar the high priest, and did eat the shewbread, which is not lawful to eat but for the priests, and gave also to them which were with him?
Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

What is your understanding of what is written in Mark and by what you believe then Jesus also broke the sabbath commandment. What we are to keep holy is that of what all God created and then rested on the seventh day.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

When reading the ten commandments only 9 were commandments as #4 only says, remember the sabbath day to keep it holy as it is only a day of rest after all the work we have done for six days as God set it apart from the other days as a day of rest.

 

[GodsGrace]

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[JLB]

Gentile’s kept the Seventh Day Sabbath





Pisidian Antioch in the Roman Empire
Acts 13
13 From Paphos, Paul and his companions sailed to Perga in Pamphylia, where John left them to return to Jerusalem. 14 From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down. 15 After the reading from the Law and the Prophets, the leaders of the synagogue sent word to them, saying, “Brothers, if you have a word of exhortation for the people, please speak.”16 Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: “Fellow Israelites and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me!

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

The first Gentile converts kept the Sabbath, and so therefore it was not an issue.





There is also this in regards to the Sabbath commandment.
Romans 13:9
The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”


Exodus 20:8
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy.

So under the New Covenant, "keeping the Sabbath" means attending a Jewish synagogue and presenting the message of Christ to them as Paul did?

Here is what the Apostle wrote about the Sabbath.

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colosians 2:13-17




JLB

 

[CherubRam]

So under the New Covenant, "keeping the Sabbath" means attending a Jewish synagogue and presenting the message of Christ to them as Paul did?

Here is what the Apostle wrote about the Sabbath.

And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it. So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.
Colosians 2:13-17




JLB

The new converts did not keep the Festivals with there Sabbath day rests, but they did keep The Seventh Day Sabbath. And that is what Paul is speaking of in Colosians.
There were Festival rest days where the people were not to do any regular work.
Do you understand now?

 

[JLB]

The new converts did not keep the Festivals with there Sabbath day rests, but they did keep The Seventh Day Sabbath. And that is what Paul is speaking of in Colosians.

Please show us the scripture that teaches us the new converts kept the Seventh Day Sabbath?

While you are looking for that scripture, please explain just HOW the Church is required to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath, today under the New Covenant?


Is their travel restrictions?
Can we cook?
Can we make our bed?

When does the Seventh Day Sabbath officially begin and end here n the US? Israel time is different. Do we go by Israel time of our time?

How do Pastors and Church staff keep from working on the Seventh Day Sabbath since that is their job?



Please help us with these questions so we can properly observe the Seventh Day Sabbath?




JLB

 

[CherubRam]

Please show us the scripture that teaches us the new converts kept the Seventh Day Sabbath?

While you are looking for that scripture, please explain just HOW the Church is required to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath, today under the New Covenant?


Is their travel restrictions?
Can we cook?
Can we make our bed?

When does the Seventh Day Sabbath officially begin and end here n the US? Israel time is different. Do we go by Israel time of our time?

How do Pastors and Church staff keep from working on the Seventh Day Sabbath since that is their job?



Please help us with these questions so we can properly observe the Seventh Day Sabbath?




JLB

Post #1 sows the Gentiles keeping the sabbath.

Pastors are allow to preach on the sabbath.
Matthew 12:5
Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent?

Traditionally the Sabbath begins Friday at sundown and ends Saturday at sundown. So anywhere between sundown and midnight the Sabbath begins and ends.

The Seventh Day Sabbath was meant to be a blessing, not a curse. If there had never been a rest day, we would be working seven days a week. Think about that.

Resting on the Sabbath does not mean being stupid about it. Just refrain from regular work. Eat prepared food, put off chores to the next day.

By the way, Christ resurrection was on Monday evening; not Sunday. That is why he is called the firstfruits of the Resurrection.
The Pagans had a Sunday Sabbath tradition before Christ, and they wanted to keep that tradition. And so the Catholic Papacy changed their sabbath to Sunday to keep their Pagan tradition.

 

[CherubRam]

Please show us the scripture that teaches us the new converts kept the Seventh Day Sabbath?

While you are looking for that scripture, please explain just HOW the Church is required to keep the Seventh Day Sabbath, today under the New Covenant?


Is their travel restrictions?
Can we cook?
Can we make our bed?

When does the Seventh Day Sabbath officially begin and end here n the US? Israel time is different. Do we go by Israel time of our time?

How do Pastors and Church staff keep from working on the Seventh Day Sabbath since that is their job?



Please help us with these questions so we can properly observe the Seventh Day Sabbath?




JLB

The Seventh Day Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.

Romans 13:9
The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for MANKIND.
Yahshua and the Disciples kept the Seventh day Sabbath.

Yahshua said:
Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Yahshua did not say The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for the Jews. Man, as in, Mankind.

 

[JLB]

Acts 13
13 From Paphos, Paul and his companions sailed to Perga in Pamphylia, where John left them to return to Jerusalem. 14 From Perga they went on to Pisidian Antioch. On the Sabbath they entered the synagogue and sat down. 15 After the reading from the Law and the Prophets, the leaders of the synagogue sent word to them, saying, “Brothers, if you have a word of exhortation for the people, please speak.”16 Standing up, Paul motioned with his hand and said: “Fellow Israelites and you Gentiles who worship God, listen to me!

44 On the next Sabbath almost the whole city gathered to hear the word of the Lord. 45 When the Jews saw the crowds, they were filled with jealousy. They began to contradict what Paul was saying and heaped abuse on him.
46 Then Paul and Barnabas answered them boldly: “We had to speak the word of God to you first. Since you reject it and do not consider yourselves worthy of eternal life, we now turn to the Gentiles.

48 When the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and honored the word of the Lord; and all who were appointed for eternal life believed.

Post # 1

Not one single mention in this post of Paul or anyone gentile Christian keeping the Sabbath.

Not one.


Going to a Jewish synagogue to win them to Christ is certainly not “keeping the sabbath“.



Again, if going to a synagogue to win unsaved Jews to Christ is keeping the Sabbath, then I must ask… Is that how you keep the Sabbath?


JLB

 

[for_his_glory]

The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for MANKIND.
Yahshua and the Disciples kept the Seventh day Sabbath.

Then why did they pluck and eat corn while they were walking. Wouldn't that make them and Jesus sabbath breakers or when Jesus healed a lame man on the sabbath, Matthew 12:1-14.

What many do not know or understand there are two different Sabbaths.

Hebrew weekly Sabbath starts Friday night at sunset and ends Saturday night at sunset. This was a different Sabbath called a High Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This High Sabbath began the first day at sunset through the last day at sunset during the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Exodus 12:14, 15. Beginning the 14th at sunset making it Saturday the 15th to Friday the 21st at sunset. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it is the High Sabbath that begins the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6-8.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Saturday Sabbath is nothing more than a day of rest from all your work that week and to keep in remembrance all that God created and then rested from all His work. This sabbath is for everyone, Jew and Gentile, but is not a Holy Day to be observed like that of the High Sabbath.

 

[JLB]

The Seventh Day Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.

Romans 13:9
The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

So you believe Christian’s are obligated to be under the law of Moses?

Here is just one of many Sabbath requirements that the law mandated.


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15


Do you observe this Sabbath requirement?




JLB

 

[JLB]

Post #1 sows the Gentiles keeping the sabbath.

Pastors are allow to preach on the sabbath.
Matthew 12:5
Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent?

Traditionally the Sabbath begins Friday at sundown and ends Saturday at sundown. So anywhere between sundown and midnight the Sabbath begins and ends.

The Seventh Day Sabbath was meant to be a blessing, not a curse. If there had never been a rest day, we would be working seven days a week. Think about that.

Resting on the Sabbath does not mean being stupid about it. Just refrain from regular work. Eat prepared food, put off chores to the next day.

By the way, Christ resurrection was on Monday evening; not Sunday. That is why he is called the firstfruits of the Resurrection.
The Pagans had a Sunday Sabbath tradition before Christ, and they wanted to keep that tradition. And so the Catholic Papacy changed their sabbath to Sunday to keep their Pagan tradition.

Is their travel restrictions?
Can we cook?
Can we make our bed?

When does the Seventh Day Sabbath officially begin and end here n the US? Israel time is different. Do we go by Israel time of our time?

How do Pastors and Church staff keep from working on the Seventh Day Sabbath since that is their job?

Do we still stone people to death for not “keeping the Sabbath”?


Please answer these questions from your own experience.






JLB

 

[JLB]

The Seventh Day Sabbath is part of the ten commandments.

Romans 13:9
The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for MANKIND.
Yahshua and the Disciples kept the Seventh day Sabbath.

Yahshua said:
Mark 2:27
Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath.

Yahshua did not say The Seventh Day Sabbath was made for the Jews. Man, as in, Mankind.

Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10

• For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

No mention of keeping the Sabbath here since Paul is dealing with loving your neighbor as yourself.


No where in the New Testament is there any command from Jesus or any of His Apostles to keep the Sabbath.

NONE!




JLB

 

[CherubRam]

Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10

• For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

No mention of keeping the Sabbath here since Paul is dealing with loving your neighbor as yourself.


No where in the New Testament is there any command from Jesus or any of His Apostles to keep the Sabbath.

NONE!




JLB

I see you what to play stupid. The commandments come from Yahwah our Father.
"are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

For the love of God will you keep the Sabbath.

Matthew 19:17
“Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

Exodus 20. New International Version​

The Ten Commandments​

20 And God spoke all these words:

2 “I am (the Lord / Yahwah) your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 “You shall have no other gods before[a] me.

4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 “You shall not misuse the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

8 “Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, nor any foreigner residing in your towns. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

12 “Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live long in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

13 “You shall not murder.

14 “You shall not commit adultery.

15 “You shall not steal.

16 “You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor.

17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.”

 

[CherubRam]

So you believe Christian’s are obligated to be under the law of Moses?

Here is just one of many Sabbath requirements that the law mandated.


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15


Do you observe this Sabbath requirement?




JLB

There is Mosses laws, and there is (Yahwah's / God) laws. The Ten Commandments are God's laws.

Moses laws dealt with the priesthood, Festival, Sacrifices, and Offerings.

 

[CherubRam]

So you believe Christian’s are obligated to be under the law of Moses?

Here is just one of many Sabbath requirements that the law mandated.


Work shall be done for six days, but the seventh is the Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 31:15


Do you observe this Sabbath requirement?




JLB

Yes, I keep the Seventh Day Sabbath; and so do many other Christians.

 

[CherubRam]

Then why did they pluck and eat corn while they were walking. Wouldn't that make them and Jesus sabbath breakers or when Jesus healed a lame man on the sabbath, Matthew 12:1-14.

What many do not know or understand there are two different Sabbaths.

Hebrew weekly Sabbath starts Friday night at sunset and ends Saturday night at sunset. This was a different Sabbath called a High Sabbath not like the weekly Sabbath. This High Sabbath began the first day at sunset through the last day at sunset during the Feast of Unleavened Bread, Exodus 12:14, 15. Beginning the 14th at sunset making it Saturday the 15th to Friday the 21st at sunset. Passover is annual and not a weekly Sabbath as it is the High Sabbath that begins the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and no one was to do any labor on that day as it was a day of holy assembling. Luke 23:52-54; John 19:31, 42; Leviticus 23:6-8.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
Gen 2:2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Mar 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.

The Saturday Sabbath is nothing more than a day of rest from all your work that week and to keep in remembrance all that God created and then rested from all His work. This sabbath is for everyone, Jew and Gentile, but is not a Holy Day to be observed like that of the High Sabbath.

The Disciples were getting something to eat. They were not harvesting the field.

See:

Matthew 12. New International Version​

Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath​

12 At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them. 2 When the Pharisees saw this, they said to him, “Look! Your disciples are doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath.”

3 He answered, “Haven’t you read what David did when he and his companions were hungry? 4 He entered the house of God, and he and his companions ate the consecrated bread—which was not lawful for them to do, but only for the priests. 5 Or haven’t you read in the Law that the priests on Sabbath duty in the temple desecrate the Sabbath and yet are innocent? 6 I tell you that something greater than the temple is here. 7 If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the innocent.

Yahshua said the Disciples were innocent of working the field.

 

[CherubRam]

Post # 1

Not one single mention in this post of Paul or anyone gentile Christian keeping the Sabbath.

Not one.


Going to a Jewish synagogue to win them to Christ is certainly not “keeping the sabbath“.



Again, if going to a synagogue to win unsaved Jews to Christ is keeping the Sabbath, then I must ask… Is that how you keep the Sabbath?


JLB

Are you blind?

 

[for_his_glory]

The Disciples were getting something to eat. They were not harvesting the field.

Plucking and husking ears of corn off the stalks in preparation to eat the corn as a meal would be work.

What about Jesus healing on the sabbath or telling others about rescuing a sheep that fell into a pit in which Jesus did on the sabbath. Did He violate any law when He did this, no. Go learn about the two different Sabbaths.