Bible Study Getting Out of the Sin-Confession Cycle.
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
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No, his letter was addressed to the twelve tribes.
You gave two verses, in post #33.
As Christians have taken Christ's cross to its end, our death with Jesus; what further need is there for it now ?
Hopefully, some will continue to heed Jesus' words and be killed and reborn.
Gal 5:24..."And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts."
Those baptized into Christ's death, have "suffered with Him".
You are veering out of the lane you established...voluntary suffering.
That doesn't sound voluntary to me.
Longsuffering...patience.
Hardly voluntary.
Simple observations of the holy life.
Peter speaks of our "immersion" into Christ's death.
THAT is where we suffer with Him.
THAT is how we can quit committing sin, and start to walk in the Spirit instead of in the "flesh".
THAT is how to break the sin-confess cycle !
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The one true church is not the RCC.
Born Again Christians are the true church. Ekklesia.
Spiritual only?
What about the authority of the apostles in a line of apostolic succession!
See how deceptive text can be
Dona Dams
Or
Don Adams
You need the authority who wrote it to tell you what it means
Example:
“A fat sandwich man”!
What does it mean?
A fat man who makes sandwiches?
Or
A man who makes fat sandwiches?
You cannot know I would have to tell you which is true!
Scripture alone? No
Scripture explained by the apostolic church founded by Christ with the same authority!
Matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23
Thks
Keeping the old man dead, (mortified), is a daily thing; but it doesn't equate to suffering unless you are lamenting the end of your sinning.
“Love never fails” 1 cor 13:8
Love implies suffering since the fall and its an imperfect world
Self-denial must involve suffering
Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Suffering tribulation
Romans 5:3
And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Romans 5:4
And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Heb 2:9-10 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
He is our model in everything!
No servant is greater than his master. Jn 13:16
Christ is our model in suffering. Matt 16:24 Our suffer for His sake, Phil 1:29 for the sake of His body the church. Col 1:24 for the salvation of souls. Phil 1:19
Christ came to take all the sins of the world on Himself!
What does that imply to the servant and disciple?
Thks
Huh? what do you mean!
Modern day ""apostles"" are not RCC. They do not follow extra RCC superstitions. They are Born Again Christians.
You have STILL never shown the RCC to be the apostolic church. I stand by my case.
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God is the Authority.
Or i could observe it for myself!
This has nothing to do with a group of humans "explaining Scripture". That verse gives the command to make disciples and baptize.
IDK why you think that verse backs your claim.
CONTEXT!!!
This is about the BIBLICAL TIMES apostles! This in NO WAY backs your claims.
More NON SEQUITURS from DONA DAMS!!
How does a nebulas cloud of quote believers exercise authority
A believer is not a Christian but a catechumen
Faith and baptism are required to be a Christian
How do you think one gets “born again”
Who is this speaking of apostles or believers?
Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...
John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:
Heb 13:7 Remember them which have the rule over you, (apostles) who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, (apostles) and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
No wonder your supposed church is is far from Godliness.
Love in no wise implies suffering.
Why ?
That prayer is answered every time a man is baptized into Christ's death.
Life isn't unending tribulation.
Everything except perfect obedience to God.
The servant is happy to be as his Master. (Matt 10:25)
Suffer all you want, but sinner's suffering is worthless.
Until you actually repent, permanently, from all sin, God doesn't even hear your prayers. (John 9:31)
It implies their perfect obedience to His Father.
It doesn't matter if Christians are scattered or concentrated. Did you think the population density of Christians mattered somehow?
How do you define your word "AUTHORITY"? Authority over WHAT?
How do you define your word "CATCHUMEN"?
"CHRISTIAN" means "FOLLOWER OF CHRIST".
Are you a Christian, or a follower of Christ? How to tell the difference.
It was at Antioch that the believers were first called Christians.
www.churchsimplified.org
Baptized HOW?
How do you know its referring to YOUR kind of "apostles" which you define to be catho lics?
Define your phrases, "spiritual fathers " and "pastors of our souls".
What's your take on this scripture Paul wrote? Was Paul a sinner that depends on the grace of God?
Romans 7:15-25
15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.
Romans 7:15-25
15 I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. 16 And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. 17 As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18 For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[c] For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. 19 For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. 20 Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.
21 So I find this law at work: Although I want to do good, evil is right there with me. 22 For in my inner being I delight in God’s law; 23 but I see another law at work in me, waging war against the law of my mind and making me a prisoner of the law of sin at work within me. 24 What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? 25 Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord!
So then, I myself in my mind am a slave to God’s law, but in my sinful nature[d] a slave to the law of sin.
If Christ took away all their sins, they have started with a blank-clean slate.
Their love for, and appreciation of, Christ's act, will guarantee their love and obedience !
Paul was no longer a sinner.
Some of Romans 7 is a narrative of Paul's past, while still in the "flesh": (and unsuccessfully trying to fulfil the Law of Moses).
Verse 5 infers he is no longer in the "flesh".
At the end of chapter 7, he illustrates that freedom; citing his new servitude to God, as opposed to his past servitude to the "flesh".
I'm a word for word kinda guy.
He writes in present tense, he said I do, not I did, he said I see, not I seen, he said I want, not I wanted, he said it does not, not it did not, he said I want to, not I wanted to.
He said what a wretched man I am, not I was.
He said this I keep on doing, not I kept on doing.
Words have power.
You are not reading it correctly and therfore not comprehending it correctly.