God of the Bible is not all loving.

[GodsGrace]

I've noticed that you seem to like mentioning hell. And with no solution as to how to avoid ending up there.
Jesus said to love our neighbor.
Do you?

This was my main point.
You like discussing hell.
Everyone but the elect are going there.
Only ELECT doesn't mean what you think it does.

AND, you give no instruction on how to avoid that trip.

ALSO, you seem to have no love for your neighbor even though you THINK you know what love means.

You always derail....

Fastfredy0

 

[Hopeful 2]

The most tragic part is that Satan will be worshipped as God. You know, in Islam, Allah is just an alternative spelling of Elohim. When Hamas terrorists slaughter innocent people including babies, that's taking God's name in vain, they are serving a counterfeit who kills, steals and destroys.

Yep.
Can't we apply that logic to the Catholic-Protestant wars in Ireland and England ?
And the Hindu-Muslim battles in Myanmar and Kashmir ?

 

[Hopeful 2]

And who will be doing the tossing of the sinners into the lake of fire?

Scripture doesn't say who will do the casting.
The men of the earth have known all along that a punishment for their sins was coming, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them going to the lake of their own free will.

 

[GodsGrace]

Yep.
Can't we apply that logic to the Catholic-Protestant wars in Ireland and England ?
And the Hindu-Muslim battles in Myanmar and Kashmir ?

I don't think it's the same.
But I'm having a difficult time discussing this.
Ireland and Kashmir is more like Israel vs. Hammas.

What happend on Oct 7 is different.

 

[GodsGrace]

Scripture doesn't say who will do the casting.
The men of the earth have known all along that a punishment for their sins was coming, so I wouldn't be surprised to see them going to the lake of their own free will.

Isn't the casting done by Matthew 24:31?
That would be Jesus.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I don't think it's the same.
But I'm having a difficult time discussing this.
Ireland and Kashmir is more like Israel vs. Hammas.

What happend on Oct 7 is different.

Are they not counterfeits?
Serving the one who kills and destroys?
If the Israelis had ever turned to God, they would depend on God for their safety, instead of "iron domes".

 

[Hopeful 2]

Isn't the casting done by Matthew 24:31?
That would be Jesus.

I have no scripture to refute that.
It is what I suspect, but had nothing printed to say it.

 

[GodsGrace]

Are they not counterfeits?
Serving the one who kills and destroys?
If the Israelis had ever turned to God, they would depend on God for their safety, instead of "iron domes".

I believe God has provided safety for them...or they wouldn't still be here.
Iron dome....
I depend on God a lot....I believe we're in His hands.
I still take vitamin C every day starting in September.
Does this mean I don't have enough faith?
Or does it mean we have to adapt (in a good way) to this earth we're on where the prince of the air rules.

 

[GodsGrace]

I have no scripture to refute that.
It is what I suspect, but had nothing printed to say it.

OK
I do believe it is Jesus that is going to do the judging....
However, I want to make clear that we create our own destiny.
God only judges based on where we DESIRE to be after death.
Those that do not honor God in this life, certainly do not want to be with Him.

BTW, You didn't state that the above is not true,
there's a member here that states God just throws persons into hell.

 

[Hopeful 2]

I believe God has provided safety for them...or they wouldn't still be here.
Iron dome....

What "we" believe, doesn't matter in Israel.
They believe in an iron dome and the IDF for their protection.

I depend on God a lot....I believe we're in His hands.

Me too.

I still take vitamin C every day starting in September.
Does this mean I don't have enough faith?

It means you don't eat enough foods containing vitamin C. LOL

Or does it mean we have to adapt (in a good way) to this earth we're on where the prince of the air rules.

I can't equate "brushing my teeth" with "trusting men's armies", for my longevity.

 

[Hopeful 2]

OK
I do believe it is Jesus that is going to do the judging....
However, I want to make clear that we create our own destiny.
God only judges based on where we DESIRE to be after death.
Those that do not honor God in this life, certainly do not want to be with Him.

Agreed, and is why I think some will willingly go to the fiery lake on their own. (Post 83)

BTW, You didn't state that the above is not true,

I can't prove it either way.

there's a member here that states God just throws persons into hell.

I'ld need to know the context of their assumptions to comment.
God, Jesus, Moses, the Word; whoever: it will be a just judgement.
And one worth "bending over backwards" for, to inherit.
One worth "not walking in the flesh anymore", to see.

 

[GodsGrace]

What "we" believe, doesn't matter in Israel.
They believe in an iron dome and the IDF for their protection.

Me too.

It means you don't eat enough foods containing vitamin C. LOL

I can't equate "brushing my teeth" with "trusting men's armies", for my longevity.

LOL
Agreed.

 

[rstrats]

I'd reply but your sarcasm if a total turn off...

What the heck did I write that would cause you to say that?

 

[GodsGrace]

What the heck did I write that would cause you to say that?

We were discussing how a person could become saved.
I gave you 3 different ways.
See my post no. 65

Your reply was post no. 66
Not what I was expecting from you.
Leprechauns are not real. Why would I want to believe in them?

Yes. A bit sarcastic I'd say.

 

[rstrats]

Do you have 2000 years of written testimony concerning leprechauns ?
Was the arrival of the lep's presaged thousands of years earlier ?
Has any man ever told you what a leprechaun did for him ?
Do lep's act on your behalf every day ?

What's your point with regard to being able to consciously engender a belief in someone or something?

 

[rstrats]

Leprechauns are not real. Why would I want to believe in them?

Yes. A bit sarcastic I'd say.

In order to demonstrate your ability to consciously choose to believe things. This was based on your comment that
"To someone who wants to believe, no miracles are necessary." However, I may have misunderstood you when you wrote that. I thought by that, that you were implying that beliefs could be obtained by simply choosing to have them. - that no evidence was necessary.

But right or wrong, I don't see how you can think it is sarcastic. That was never my intention.

 

[GodsGrace]

In order to demonstrate your ability to consciously choose to believe things. This was based on your comment that
"To someone who wants to believe, no miracles are necessary." However, I may have misunderstood you when wrote that. I thought by that, that you were implying that beliefs could be obtained by simply choosing to have them. - that no evidence was necessary.

But right or wrong, I don't see how you can think it is sarcastic. That was never my intention.

OK
No big problem.
It's a saying, but that wasn't my point.
The saying goes like this:
To someone who wants to believe, no proof is necessary.
To someone who does not want to believe, no proof is enough. (it could be "miracle" instead I guess).

But my point was no to discuss the above,
we were discussing how a person could become saved.
I gave you 3 different ways.

I'm discussing God and faith.
I hold steady to those 3 ways because I've seen all 3.

You could reply and give your opinion if you want to.

 

[jasonc]

Are they not counterfeits?
Serving the one who kills and destroys?
If the Israelis had ever turned to God, they would depend on God for their safety, instead of "iron domes".

So you dont believe in building codes ,car and safety .no cops .no doctors .I guess we shouldn't have declared war on Japan Just prayed and not declared war.

The iron done is a defensive weapon .we have our version of it .himad is a sister mos to my mos.it can the iron done can destroy rockets and arty .patriots handle aircraft and drone .

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

Yep.
Can't we apply that logic to the Catholic-Protestant wars in Ireland and England ?
And the Hindu-Muslim battles in Myanmar and Kashmir ?

Right. God never gave his people the authority to slaughter infidels, for vengeance is the Lord's, those who don't believe, God himself will judge.

 

[Carry_Your_Name]

But who casts them into the lake of fire?

They themselves. "Board is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it," Matt. 7:13