God understands my hatred for criminals right?

[Michellay]

This man speaks of the atrocity of what these evil people did. Now tell me this doesn’t bring up some feelings. I know God sure has His feelings on this. The people who were beaten were actually Mexican. This is one of their first experiences in America. So sad!!

 

[Michellay]

So you are saying God's love is conditional?
OK maybe I overestimated God then. He's human afterall. Not divine.

Here are a couple of verses that speak of what God hates, but also of His mercy.

What God hates:
Psalm 11:5
“The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence”

Psalm 5:6
You destroy those who speak lies; the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

Exodus 8:15-16
[15] But when Pharaoh saw that there was a respite, he hardened his heart and would not listen to them, as the LORD had said. [16] Then the LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron, 'Stretch out your staff and strike the dust of the earth, so that it may become gnats in all the land of Egypt.'"


God’s love:
Romans 5:19
[19] For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

Ezekiel 33:11
[11] Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

Romans 5:8-11
[8] but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. [10] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. [11] More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

 

[Luminous_Rose]

God does take notice of those whom are unjust. There is no way he doesn't notice these things. God is in no way unjust as he is the One, True and Perfect, Righteous Judge. Those who pass judgement will, too, be judged from what we see in scripture. There are verses that show that God does agree with you with the fact that injustice is a terrible terrible thing:

Deuteronomy 32:4
“The Rock! His work is perfect,
For all His ways are just;
A God of faithfulness and without injustice,
Righteous and upright is He.

Proverbs 16:8
Better is a little with righteousness
Than great income with injustice.

Proverbs 21:3
To do righteousness and justice
Is desired by the Lord more than sacrifice.

Hate it a powerful emotion and we must be exceedingly careful how we use this emotion. God does hate evil and therefore, as believers, we also hate evil. The Bible also does tell us to love our enemies. A good way to go about this is prayer. Some saved Christians had done awful things in their past before coming to God. Take the Apostle Paul (Saul of Tarsus) for example, he approved of the imprisonment and killings of Christians yet he turned his life around for the Lord.

God knows hate and what it is. If God didn't know hate then wouldn't he have made us without such emotion? I think He probably understands it better than anybody.

 

[humble soul]

God not only loves us despite our shortcomings. He IS love. THE Eternal Love source. Don't be distracted by dubious philosophies of a hate-filled God. Otherwise you will start to think God hasn't forgiven you and is out to make you pay.

 

[Quantrill]

So you are saying God's love is conditional?
OK maybe I overestimated God then. He's human afterall. Not divine.

Strange statement.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

i posted them.

i should per your logic still hate the rapist ,the ex bf who raped my sister rather then or pray for them.

one Doesent pray for the things God hates

Just because God will judge all, doesn't mean we can't hate the evil men do. (Ps. 97:10) And, hate those that do such things. (Ps. 139:20-22)

God didn't just hate what Esau did. He hated Esau. (Rom. 9:11-13) We can love as God loves because we are in the image of God. We can hate as God hates, as we are in the image of God.

The more you love, the more you hate those that come against those you love. Were you present when your sister was assaulted would you have tried to stop it? Of course. Would you have fought against such a one? Of course. Would you be loving him or hating him as you fought?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

God not only loves us despite our shortcomings. He IS love. THE Eternal Love source. Don't be distracted by dubious philosophies of a hate-filled God. Otherwise you will start to think God hasn't forgiven you and is out to make you pay.

Of course God is love. And God loves us. But that doesn't mean God doesn't hate also as I have shown. He can't love and not hate. That is a false picture Christianity has portrayed. As though God is a big grandma just patting all the wicked on the back as the do their evil, assuring them He loves them.

Do you think God loves those He places in the Lake of Fire at the end?

Quantrill

 

[JLB]

Here are a couple of verses that speak of what God hates, but also of His mercy.

What God hates:
Psalm 11:5
“The LORD tests the righteous, but his soul hates the wicked and the one who loves violence”

Psalm 5:6
You destroy those who speak lies; the LORD abhors the bloodthirsty and deceitful man.

Exodus 8:15-16
[15] But when Pharaoh saw that there was a respite, he hardened his heart and would not listen to them, as the LORD had said. [16] Then the LORD said to Moses, "Say to Aaron, 'Stretch out your staff and strike the dust of the earth, so that it may become gnats in all the land of Egypt.'"


God’s love:
Romans 5:19
[19] For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

Ezekiel 33:11
[11] Say to them, As I live, declares the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live; turn back, turn back from your evil ways, for why will you die, O house of Israel?

Romans 5:8-11
[8] but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. [9] Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. [10] For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, now that we are reconciled, shall we be saved by his life. [11] More than that, we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.

Amen. Great word!




JLB

 

[JLB]

God does take notice of those whom are unjust. There is no way he doesn't notice these things. God is in no way unjust as he is the One, True and Perfect, Righteous Judge. Those who pass judgement will, too, be judged from what we see in scripture. There are verses that show that God does agree with you with the fact that injustice is a terrible terrible thing:

Deuteronomy 32:4
“The Rock! His work is perfect,
For all His ways are just;
A God of faithfulness and without injustice,
Righteous and upright is He.

Proverbs 16:8
Better is a little with righteousness
Than great income with injustice.

Proverbs 21:3
To do righteousness and justice
Is desired by the Lord more than sacrifice.

Hate it a powerful emotion and we must be exceedingly careful how we use this emotion. God does hate evil and therefore, as believers, we also hate evil. The Bible also does tell us to love our enemies. A good way to go about this is prayer. Some saved Christians had done awful things in their past before coming to God. Take the Apostle Paul (Saul of Tarsus) for example, he approved of the imprisonment and killings of Christians yet he turned his life around for the Lord.

God knows hate and what it is. If God didn't know hate then wouldn't he have made us without such emotion? I think He probably understands it better than anybody.

Amen.


Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him. 1 John 3:15




JLB

 

[humble soul]

Do you think God loves those He places in the Lake of Fire at the end?

In my humble view, you are distorting the Christian message. If you want to stress Hell and Damnation, go ahead. As for me, I believe in a benevolent God. Not a vengeful narcissist.

 

[Edward]

I do pray for them sometimes, but I can’t help how I feel when I see them ganging up on white people.

Yes it is true that such a situation in an injustice but the bigger issue here is that the Lord told use to forgive everyone and to bless and pray for our enemies. The reason that Jesus told us to do this, is because He knows that if you allow seeds of bitterness or hate to be within your heart that it will damage you and directly inhibit your spiritual growth.

Forgive them Sister. Do not allow the thoughts and feelings of bitterness and hatred to criminals to be something that you ponder and think about. Wait upon the Lord to deliver justice. He will.

One thing that made it easier for me to learn to forgive people and let go of all negative thoughts and feelings, is in
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of [a]the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.../

This makes it easy to understand that, ultimately it is really not those black people's fault that they did that crime. They were led into it by all of the demonic oppression that they are under. Taught lies, given no chance, broken homes, violence in the hood...can you see why these people need some prayer and Blessings in their life?! We don't wrestle with flesh and blood, it's the enemy. The evil spirits destroying the peoples of the earth. Jesus died for these people too. The really need some prayers and blessings. An understanding heart.

And for me, when I was able to release it and forgive (everyone)...I felt a joyous peace come over my spirit.

 

[Michellay]

God not only loves us despite our shortcomings. He IS love. THE Eternal Love source. Don't be distracted by dubious philosophies of a hate-filled God. Otherwise you will start to think God hasn't forgiven you and is out to make you pay.

So we shouldn’t be distracted by the Word of God? So you’re saying that the Word of God is a dubious philosophy lol?

 

[JLB]

Do you think God loves those He places in the Lake of Fire at the end?

Yes. He loves them.


Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:37-39


Even if He sentences one of His sons to hell, He still loves them.




JLB

 

[Michellay]

Yes it is true that such a situation in an injustice but the bigger issue here is that the Lord told use to forgive everyone and to bless and pray for our enemies. The reason that Jesus told us to do this, is because He knows that if you allow seeds of bitterness or hate to be within your heart that it will damage you and directly inhibit your spiritual growth.

Forgive them Sister. Do not allow the thoughts and feelings of bitterness and hatred to criminals to be something that you ponder and think about. Wait upon the Lord to deliver justice. He will.

One thing that made it easier for me to learn to forgive people and let go of all negative thoughts and feelings, is in
Ephesians 6:12
12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of [a]the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.../

This makes it easy to understand that, ultimately it is really not those black people's fault that they did that crime. They were led into it by all of the demonic oppression that they are under. Taught lies, given no chance, broken homes, violence in the hood...can you see why these people need some prayer and Blessings in their life?! We don't wrestle with flesh and blood, it's the enemy. The evil spirits destroying the peoples of the earth. Jesus died for these people too. The really need some prayers and blessings. An understanding heart.

And for me, when I was able to release it and forgive (everyone)...I felt a joyous peace come over my spirit.

Those people have a personal responsibility to choose right. To turn from their evil ways and choose God’s way. There are many black people that chose not to believe all those lies. They are not oppressed. Many that came from broken homes that chose to better themselves.

There is so much evil going on right now. If anything, I’m oppressed. ME ME ME. I have to worry that I may not be safe when I leave the house. MY life has been impacted and I resent every bit of it. It’s not my problem that they were lied to and brought up in broken homes. That’s THEIR problem. I don’t feel bad for them. I feel for myself and my loved ones. They don’t matter to me. If they want to matter, they can repent.

 

[Edward]

Those people have a personal responsibility to choose right. To turn from their evil ways and choose God’s way. There are many black people that chose not to believe all those lies. They are not oppressed. Many that came from broken homes that chose to better themselves.

There is so much evil going on right now. If anything, I’m oppressed. ME ME ME. I have to worry that I may not be safe when I leave the house. MY life has been impacted and I resent every bit of it. It’s not my problem that they were lied to and brought up in broken homes. That’s THEIR problem. I don’t feel bad for them. I feel for myself and my loved ones. They don’t matter to me. If they want to matter, they can repent.

I understand your perspective and I could not would not disagree with what you have said. You bet you have a right to feel safe. But if we were to consider that in reality there is no such thing as race. There is only culture. We are all mankind. We are...Brothers and Sisters of our creator's creation. Everyone is on the same level whether they realize it or not. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Let us all remember that, as Christians we are servants of God. We work for the Lord now. My life is not my own. And He says that you can protect yourself in a sudden emergency but that we are to forgive them (for they know not what they do) and to pray for them. The Lord has given us all a great commission to go into the world and speak of Him to the Lost souls of earth...while we learn to love others the same way that Jesus loves us. So...I dunno Sister since this is an area which strikes passion within your heart, maybe you have a prison ministry ahead of you in your walk with the Lord?

Wouldn't that be something?!

 

[Michellay]

In my humble view, you are distorting the Christian message. If you want to stress Hell and Damnation, go ahead. As for me, I believe in a benevolent God. Not a vengeful narcissist.

So you think no one is going to burn in hell?

 

[Michellay]

I understand your perspective and I could not would not disagree with what you have said. You bet you have a right to feel safe. But if we were to consider that in reality there is no such thing as race. There is only culture. We are all mankind. We are...Brothers and Sisters of our creator's creation. Everyone is on the same level whether they realize it or not. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God.

Let us all remember that, as Christians we are servants of God. We work for the Lord now. My life is not my own. And He says that you can protect yourself in a sudden emergency but that we are to forgive them (for they know not what they do) and to pray for them. The Lord has given us all a great commission to go into the world and speak of Him to the Lost souls of earth...while we learn to love others the same way that Jesus loves us. So...I dunno Sister since this is an area which strikes passion within your heart, maybe you have a prison ministry ahead of you in your walk with the Lord?

Wouldn't that be something?!

I actually do have a heart for those in prison. I do wish that they come to repentance.

while there are different races, race definitely does not define who we are.I just feel affected by what’s going on now. If it were 70 years ago I would have Hated the racism against blacks, because back then they were definitely oppressed.
I once saw a movie, forgot the name of it, but three white men raped a young black girl. No one wanted to prosecute them. Not sure if it was based on a true story, but I hated those men in the movie and the ones that stood in their defense.
I have black friends who think that the way other black people are behaving is horrible. Believe me I know it’s not a race thing and most definitely a cultural thing.

So no matter what your race is, no one should have to be concerned about their safety because someone hates your skin color.

 

[jasonc]

I actually do have a heart for those in prison. I do wish that they come to repentance.

while there are different races, race definitely does not define who we are.I just feel affected by what’s going on now. If it were 70 years ago I would have Hated the racism against blacks, because back then they were definitely oppressed.
I once saw a movie, forgot the name of it, but three white men raped a young black girl. No one wanted to prosecute them. Not sure if it was based on a true story, but I hated those men in the movie and the ones that stood in their defense.
I have black friends who think that the way other black people are behaving is horrible. Believe me I know it’s not a race thing and most definitely a cultural thing.

So no matter what your race is, no one should have to be concerned about their safety because someone hates your skin color.

racism amongst blacks isn't unheard of.i have seen it .

 

[Michellay]

racism amongst blacks isn't unheard of.i have seen it .

Definitely not unheard of, but it’s not systemic; however, there is starting to be systematic racism against white people.

 

[Michellay]

This needs to stop
This is privilege. When you can commit crimes in the name of a selected race and have them overlooked.

Never said racism doesn’t exist, it’s just not systemic.