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God's Kingdom on Earth

Your repeated posts insisting that there will be "no [more] flesh" at the last trump reveals a complete misunderstanding of what His coming means.

For what it's worth
. :nono2


Yet flesh and blood cannot enter that kingdom,hence the change from flesh to spirit,which in turn should tell you that the last trump has yet to sound......


Paul said we would not all die,so who is it that has not......died?

Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

Do you know why the people above will not be able to kill themselves,better yet,why they would want to?

Let me help you out.When Christ returns,these people will instantly know that they have been following satan as the antichrist,they have been deceived,the shame will be so great that they will seek to kill themselves rather than face Christ.

Now,do you know why they won't be able to(kill themselves)?Because of the simple fact that they will have been changed from flesh to spirit........Last trump.......
 
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. :nono2


Yet flesh and blood cannot enter that kingdom,hence the change from flesh to spirit,which in turn should tell you that the last trump has yet to sound......

If you're born of the Spirit, you're already in the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is NOT visible or physical: it's SPIRITUAL and it's in us and with us NOW!

Paul said we would not all die,so who is it that has not......died?

Not one believer has died since Christ died and rose again. That was the point of His discussion with Martha:

{25} Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies, {26} and everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?" John 11:25-26 (NASB)

{15} For we are a fragrance of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing; {16} to the one an aroma from death to death, to the other an aroma from life to life. And who is adequate for these things? 2 Corinthians 2:15-16 (NASB)


The moment your body dies you pass immediately into eternal life: the corruptible becomes incorruptible.
 
The moment your body dies you pass immediately into eternal life: the corruptible becomes incorruptible.

Again,Paul says that we would not all die.....

You contrdict yourself..........

Not one believer has died since Christ died and rose again. That was the point of His discussion with Martha:
 
Revelation 9:6 "And in those days shall men seek death, and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from them."

Do you know why the people above will not be able to kill themselves,better yet,why they would want to?


Let me help you out.When Christ returns,these people will instantly know that they have been following satan as the antichrist,they have been deceived,the shame will be so great that they will seek to kill themselves rather than face Christ.

Now,do you know why they won't be able to(kill themselves)?Because of the simple fact that they will have been changed from flesh to spirit........Last trump.......
 
Nonsense. Repeatedly asserting your interpretation of a single, particular verse doesn't make it true.

But believe what you will. :screwloose

How did I assert my interpretation?

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

The question is changed to what

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."

Again the change is from flesh to spirit..........................Period....
 
but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, then the mystery of God is finished, as He preached to His servants the prophets.
Revelation 10:7 (NASB)

The "mystery of God" is finished when the 7th angel is about to sound. What mystery?

And He was saying to them, "To you has been given the mystery of the kingdom of God, but those who are outside get everything in parables,
Mark 4:11 (NASB)

25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past, 26 but now is manifested, and by the Scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the eternal God, has been made known to all the nations, leading to obedience of faith;
Romans 16:25-26 (NASB)

4 By referring to this, when you read you can understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, 5 which in other generations was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed to His holy apostles and prophets in the Spirit; 6 to be specific, that the Gentiles are fellow heirs and fellow members of the body, and fellow partakers of the promise in Christ Jesus through the gospel, Ephesians 3:4-6 (NASB)

25 Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, so that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, 26 that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations, but has now been manifested to His saints, 27 to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Colossians 1:25-27 (NASB)

So again, the "mystery of God" was finished as the "last trump" was about to sound! The "mystery of God" was the Gentiles becoming "fellow heirs of the promise" in Christ!

This is indisputable!

Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever."
Revelation 11:15 (NASB)

So when did the last trump sound??? When Christ took the throne of His kingdom!

"Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom."
Matthew 16:28 (NASB)

Christ said the same thing to Caiaphas at His trial!


Jesus *said to him, "You have said it yourself; nevertheless I tell you, hereafter you will see THE SON OF MAN SITTING AT THE RIGHT HAND OF POWER, and COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF HEAVEN."
Matthew 26:64 (NASB)

The "last trump" sounded as Christ descended in judgment upon Jerusalem, when He took the Kingdom of God away from Israel through the destruction of Jerusalem and its Temple: the very thing He told His disciples and the Sanhedrin some of them would live to see!

This happened in 70 AD!

Your repeated posts insisting that there will be "no [more] flesh" at the last trump reveals a complete misunderstanding of what His coming means.

For what it's worth. :nono2

(Rev 10:7) but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. ... (Rev 11:15) Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become [the kingdoms] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

Mystery of God = The kingdoms of this world have become [the kingdoms] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!

Why do you refuse to accept the simple scriptural truth?
 
How did I assert my interpretation?

I Corinthians 15:51 "Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,"

The question is changed to what

I Corinthians 15:44 "It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body."

There is a natural body, which is your flesh body, and there is also a spiritual or soul body. The two are different and when the natural body, or flesh body dies the spiritual body is "raised", or in the Greek text "egiro, awakened, become active from its death". You have two bodies, one natural body contains your spiritual body, and that spiritual body is awakened to a new life, when the flesh or natural body dies and releases your soul. Your spirit and your soul are together, for the spirit is your "self", "the intellect of your soul" which houses your spirit within you.

Your spirit never leaves your soul, even at the death of your flesh body. Satan does not have any power over your spiritual body, but only your flesh body. Man and Satan can tare this flesh body to peaces and cause you to do all sorts of things, but no-one can damage your soul, not man, not Satan nor the angels. God is the only one that can destroy the soul and that comes at the end of the Millennium age, following judgment.

It just can't be made any clearer than Paul has made it here. You have two bodies, the flesh and the spiritual bodies. When the flesh body dies, then the spiritual body is awakened and come alive within itself. It starts to live a life without the baggage of the flesh body confining it to the limits of the flesh.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 "Then [at death] shall the dust [flesh body] return to the earth as it was: and the spirit [spiritual body] shall return [instantly] to God [Father] Who gave it."

Again the change is from flesh to spirit..........................Period....
Incorrect.

Luke 24:36-43, 36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, "Peace to you!" 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 38 And he said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate before them. (ESV)
 
(Rev 10:7) but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets. ... (Rev 11:15) Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become [the kingdoms] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"

Mystery of God = The kingdoms of this world have become [the kingdoms] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!

Why do you refuse to accept the simple scriptural truth?

Sounds like you are still trying to interpret something prophetic as literal,
felix. Understand ye:
Revelation 15:3-8 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints. {4} Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest. {5} And after that I looked, and, behold, the temple of the tabernacle of the testimony in heaven was opened: {6} And the seven angels came out of the temple, having the seven plagues, clothed in pure and white linen, and having their breasts girded with golden girdles. {7} And one of the four beasts gave unto the seven angels seven golden vials full of the wrath of God, who liveth for ever and ever. {8} And the temple was filled with smoke from the glory of God, and from his power; and no man was able to enter into the temple, till the seven plagues of the seven angels were fulfilled.
From the above text it is clear that the wrath poured out upon apostate Israel would satisfy God to the extent that the holiest of all would at last be opened to the eagerly awaiting congregation. That outpouring of wrath in those seven plagues would take place at the last trump:
Revelation 11:15-19 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. {16} And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, {17} Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. {18} And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. {19} And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.
All the elements are there: the reward to the servants, the judgment of the dead and the opening of the holiest of all. Keep in mind that this reward would come quickly before some of the apostles died:
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
Matthew 16:27-28 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. {28} Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

Was this reward prophesied?
Isaiah 40:10 Behold, the Lord GOD will come with strong hand, and his arm shall rule for him: behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.
The whole context in Isaiah deals with the appearance of John the Baptist. It would seem very strange for Isaiah to suddenly interject within the context an event that would not happen until thousands of years after John died. Isaiah speaks more on this subject:
Isaiah 62:11-12 Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him. {12} And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.
Resurrection, the Hope of Israel, and the Song of Moses | eschatology.org
 
Incorrect.

Luke 24:36-43, 36 As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, "Peace to you!" 37 But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 38 And he said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39 See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have." 40 And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41 And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?" 42 They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate before them. (ESV)

What makes you think spirit dosn't have form


Luke 24:36 "And as they thus spake, Jesus Himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, "Peace be with you."

Now as they were all standing together discussing their sightings of Jesus with one another, Jesus appeared there right in their group, and said to them. "Peace be with you." Now every last one of them have seen Jesus and witnessed that Jesus is truly alive. Jesus never came through a door, but in His incorruptible spiritual body came right into the room with the door shut. Jesus appeared in the center of their group, He had been there all the time. This is teaching the lesson of the coming of the Holy Spirit, the Comforter.


Luke 24:39 "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself: handle Me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have."

This is true, for the "spirit" is only the intellect of the soul, but soul has another body, an heavenly body that has form, and Jesus is calling attention to "My hands and My feet, touch Me and see for yourself". Jesus body has form and He is real, but in that other dimension.

Genesis 19:1 "And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground."

Genesis 19:3 "And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat."

Again the change is from flesh to spirit.......
 
Revelation 11:15-19 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

The kingdoms of what world?
 
Satan was the "god of the age" that saw Christ crucified!!!

Satan was defeated AT THE CROSS!!! Period. End of discussion!
I think I agree with you, at least in respect to your conclusion that Satan was substantially, although not entirely, defeated at the cross (after all, I think it is otherwise Biblically clear that Satan is still "around"). But I would suggest that even if the writer is referring to the activity Satan "this side of the cross", we should not read this text as denying that Jesus is a presently reigning King (I think you are mistaken re where that kindom is, but that's another issue).

My argument would be that a "god" of this world is not the same thing as a king of this world.
 
Luke 17:20-21 Now when He was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

Some assert that a brief of teaching in Luke 17, particularly verse 21, locate the kingdom of God as “inside†the believer, with the implication that the broader world does not fall under its jurisdiction. Here are several translations of verse 21:

NET: nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.â€

NIV: nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you."

NASB: nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

NLT: You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is among you."

MSG:Nor when someone says, 'Look here!' or, 'There it is!' And why? Because God's kingdom is already among you."

BBE: And men will not say, See, it is here! or, There! for the kingdom of God is among you.

NRSV: nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ For, in fact, the kingdom of God is among you."

NKJV: "nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

Note how only 2 of these 8 translations render the last bit as “within youâ€. All the other translations have Jesus telling the listeners that the Kingdom is “in your midst†or “among you†– suggesting, of course, that the kingdom is “present right nowâ€.

And the fatal blow to the “within you†interpretation arises from who Jesus is speaking to:

Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed

If Jesus is saying that the “location†of the kingdom is specifically “within the human personâ€, Jesus is telling the Pharisees that the kingdom of God is within them, the Pharisees, in this sense.

Not likely, of course – the Pharisees were precisely the ones in whom the kingdom was not present.
 
Simple question,can you see Christ now?Let me answer for you,no you can't,however,when His kingdom is here we shall see Him.....
The fact that we cannot "see" Jesus right now does not in any way imply that He is not a presently reigning king over this present physical world.

If this is not otherwise self-evident, consider the situation of the Jew in 1st century Palestine - they knew full that Caesar was their "king" even though they never "saw" him.

It is clear from the Scriptures - Jesus has already been enthroned as a king over all creation, including this present world.
 
The fact that we cannot "see" Jesus right now does not in any way imply that He is not a presently reigning king over this present physical world.

If this is not otherwise self-evident, consider the situation of the Jew in 1st century Palestine - they knew full that Caesar was their "king" even though they never "saw" him.

It is clear from the Scriptures - Jesus has already been enthroned as a king over all creation, including this present world.

Not Yet!

  • (Zech 14:9) And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be -- "The LORD [is] one," And His name one.
  • (Rev 11:15) Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become [the kingdoms] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
 
This text is often sued to argue that Satan, not Jesus, is the “ruler†or “king†of this present world:

And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, 4 in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

The implied argument is that if Satan – who is inarguably set in the “god of this world†role – is “godâ€, then it follows that he also should be understood to be “king†or “rulerâ€. The problem with such a view is this: those who advance such an argument presumably also believe that while Jesus is in the “god†category (all Trinitarians believe this by definition), that status does not necessarily confer kingship on Him.

In other words, such people are being inconsistent in terms of what is implied by predicating “god-ness†of Satan and Jesus, holding both the following, mutually incompatible, positions:

1. Satan, in virtue of being ascribed the status of “godâ€, is also to be seen as king;

2. Jesus, although certainly ascribed the status of “godâ€, is not, in virtue of this ascription, to be seen as king.

Do you see the problem?
 
Not Yet!

  • (Zech 14:9) And the LORD shall be King over all the earth. In that day it shall be -- "The LORD [is] one," And His name one.
  • (Rev 11:15) Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become [the kingdoms] of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"
This reply begs the question - you presume that these two prophecies have not already been fulfilled.
 
Some assert that a brief of teaching in Luke 17, particularly verse 21, locate the kingdom of God as “inside†the believer, with the implication that the broader world does not fall under its jurisdiction. Here are several translations of verse 21:

NET: nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is in your midst.â€

NIV: nor will people say, ‘Here it is,’ or ‘There it is,’ because the kingdom of God is within you."

NASB: nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."

NLT: You won’t be able to say, ‘Here it is!’ or ‘It’s over there!’ For the Kingdom of God is among you."

MSG:Nor when someone says, 'Look here!' or, 'There it is!' And why? Because God's kingdom is already among you."

BBE: And men will not say, See, it is here! or, There! for the kingdom of God is among you.

NRSV: nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There it is!’ For, in fact, the kingdom of God is among you."

NKJV: "nor will they say, ‘See here!’ or ‘See there!’ For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you."

Note how only 2 of these 8 translations render the last bit as “within youâ€. All the other translations have Jesus telling the listeners that the Kingdom is “in your midst†or “among you†– suggesting, of course, that the kingdom is “present right nowâ€.

And the fatal blow to the “within you†interpretation arises from who Jesus is speaking to:

Now at one point the Pharisees asked Jesus when the kingdom of God was coming, so he answered, “The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed

If Jesus is saying that the “location†of the kingdom is specifically “within the human personâ€, Jesus is telling the Pharisees that the kingdom of God is within them, the Pharisees, in this sense.

Not likely, of course – the Pharisees were precisely the ones in whom the kingdom was not present.

(Mark 14:25) "Assuredly, I say to you, I will no longer drink of the fruit of the vine until that day when I drink it new in the kingdom of God."
 
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