God's Kingdom on Earth

[jasoncran]

ok, let me ask you this.

how does satan die in a fire? a fire that can kill souls. that is off topic but it kinda relatates as paul states theres a ressurection of the just and the unjust. so we a raised and given a spirit body that can feel?

when you get into pauls verses. you will find one thing you left out.

he mentions stars having bodies etc. why then would God have the entire city descend from heaven to the earth if we are just spirits and take note.

God shall dwell in his tabernacle amongst men on the earth.

so if its heaven(and we return with christ to execute judgement see jude for that one.)

and peter talks of a new heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. so heaven here is destroyed as the one you say we all go to?

we die, where does this soul that doesnt die go? if heaven then no need to have a ressurection at all.its already alive.

 

[Lehigh3]

Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isa 65:18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
Isa 65:19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
Isa 65:20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.

reba, Isaiah 65-66 is the background for the New Jerusalem in Revelation.
This will explain your highlighted verse, but I wish to add that the metaphor in verse 65:25 "the wolf lying down with the lamb" must be looked at how these animals are often represented in the Bible. I put the article link here too for verse 25.
This is from Sovereign Grace Preterism:
Preterists often point to the fact that people still die in the new heaven and new earth as proof that it is not the eternal state. While this is correct, one could counter that childhood does not last till 100 today as Isaiah 65:20 portrays. This is not a prophecy about 100 year old children, however! The extended life expectancies described here (“as the days of a tree†v. 22) are not a prophecy of longer physical life expectancies in a future millennium, but a foreshadowing of the eternal life that those who are part of the new covenant have today (cf. John 8:51). Those who are part of the new covenant are never separated from God; we have eternal life and will never see spiritual death (“And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die . . .†John 11:26; cf. Rev. 21:2-4). The believer today enters into the new creation of the new heaven and new earth: Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new (2 Cor. 5:17).

The New Jerusalem as the New Covenant Mother​

In Isaiah 66 the prophet portrays the renewed Jerusalem of the new heaven and new earth (cf. Is. 65:17-19) as a mother with her children.

Before she was in labor, she gave birth; before her pain came, she delivered a male child. Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, she gave birth to her children. “Shall I bring to the time of birth and not cause delivery?†Says the Lord. “Shall I who cause delivery shut up the womb?†Says your God. Rejoice with Jerusalem, and be glad with her, all you who love her; rejoice for joy with her, all you who mourn for her; That you may feed and be satisfied with the consolation of her bosom, that you may drink deeply and be delighted with the abundance of her glory. For thus says the Lord: “Behold, I will extend peace to her like a river, and the glory of the Gentiles like a flowing stream. Then you shall feed; on her side shall you be carried and be dandled on her knees. As one whom his mother comforts, so I will comfort you; and you shall be comforted in Jerusalem.†When you see this your heart shall rejoice, and your bones shall flourish like grass; the hand of the Lord shall be known to His servants And His indignation to His enemies. For behold, the Lord will come with fire and with His chariots, like a whirlwind, to render His anger with fury, and His rebuke with flames of fire. For by fire and by His sword the Lord will judge all flesh; and the slain of the Lord shall be many.

Isaiah 66:10-16; cf. Rev. 19:11-15​

Isaiah’s picture of the New Jerusalem as a mother is referenced by Paul in Galatians 4:21-26 where he says that the heavenly Jerusalem is the “mother†of all believers: “Which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants; the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage . . . but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all†(Gal. 4:24, 26; cf. Rev. 21:9-10). The Jerusalem from above is the New Jerusalem (which comes down out of heaven, Rev. 21:1-2); it is a symbol of the new covenant and those who are part of it. All who are born again are children of this new covenant “mother.†This explains how a whole nation can be born at once (Is. 66:8); it is a metaphor of a spiritual birthing of a new people (cf. 1 Pet. 2:7-10). This is shown in Revelation 12 (which is drawing from Is. 66:7-8) where the heavenly Jerusalem is portrayed as a pregnant woman that appears in heaven (vv. 1-2). This mother gives birth to her firstborn in verse 5 (representing the “birth†of Jesus as the firstborn from the dead, Col. 1:17-18; Rev. 1:5). This explains why the child is immediately caught up to God’s throne—it is showing the ascension (cf. Acts 13:33-34). Notice that suddenly other children of this mother appear (Rev. 12:17); these are new covenant believers.

Wolf & the lamb article:
THE WOLF AND THE LAMB-Preterism and eschatology, the wolf and the lamb, and the resurrection and Preterist soteriology; Preterism and Preterist eschatology, rapture, the resurrection, and prophecy from a preterist perspective

 

[felix]

how does satan die in a fire? a fire that can kill souls. that is off topic but it kinda relatates as paul states theres a ressurection of the just and the unjust. so we a raised and given a spirit body that can feel?

That is not a spirit body but an incorruptable body just like Christ's which doesn't see corruption. Spirit is different and body is different. A spirit requires a host.

(Matt 12:43) " When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none.

(1Cor 15:48-49) As [was] the [man] of dust, so also [are] those [who are made] of dust; and as [is] the heavenly [Man,] so also [are] those [who are] heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the [man] of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly [Man.]

(Luke 24:39) "Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."

he mentions stars having bodies etc. why then would God have the entire city descend from heaven to the earth if we are just spirits and take note.

God shall dwell in his tabernacle amongst men on the earth.

so if its heaven(and we return with christ to execute judgement see jude for that one.)

and peter talks of a new heaven and new earth wherein dwelleth righteousness. so heaven here is destroyed as the one you say we all go to?

we die, where does this soul that doesnt die go? if heaven then no need to have a ressurection at all.its already alive.

That's not a literal city but the wife of Christ who is the Church.

(Rev 21:9) Then one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls filled with the seven last plagues came to me and talked with me, saying, "Come, I will show you the bride, the Lamb's wife."

Christ is going to prepare a place for us.

(John 14:2-3) "In My Father's house are many mansions; if [it were] not [so,] I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, [there] you may be also.

We will be with Christ.

(John 14:20) "At that day you will know that I [am] in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.

We also live through Christ.

(Col 3:3-4) For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ [who is] our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

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As for the reasons above, the new heavens and new earth are not yet created and I cannot agree on the 70 AD stuff which stormcrow is saying.

 

[n2thelight]

2. I do not see how this statement denies the present reality of the kingdom of Jesus on earth right now. Can you explain please?

Simple,there is no peace on earth right now,and please don't say we have peace within....

When Christ rules all wickedness shall cease........For someone to say that Christ rules on earth right now is saying He has no control over His kingdom.......

 

[jasoncran]

not a literal city? really? no more curse, no more death.isnt to be taken literally.

that i am not saying that city is literal. i am going to get to the code of the bible(yes in hebrew and greek theres that code) and if you doubt, by such code jesus claims the name of the lord by stating i am the good sheppard by numbers that is malach YHWH and el shaddai.

but only after the millenium thers no death etc.

 

[Drew]

How long will it take for you to realize that there is no death, nor sorrow, nor crying, no pain in new Jerusalem as in Rev 21:4?

Not sure what your point is. You appear to have acknowledged what is clear from the Scriptures - Jesus kingdom is already here on earth. How can anyone deny this without striking this statement from the Scriptures?:

All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

So even though many Christians deny it, it is clear that Jesus is already enthroned as king here on earth. How anyone can deny this is deeply mystifying to me. How can this statement be taken seriously without coming to the conclusion that Jesus is already king of this world.

As to statements about there being no pain or evil or death in the kingdom, this has to be understood as descriptive of the state of affairs at some future point in the evolution of a kingdom that is clearly already here.

In fact, this is exactly what Paul believes - he states that Jesus must, yes, rule, until, yes until, all enemies are defeated.

So there is no problem at all with accepting the clear Biblical truth that the kingdom is here, while also understanding that it has not, yet anyway, defeated some of the enemies of that kingdom (e.g. death).

 

[Drew]

Simple,there is no peace on earth right now,and please don't say we have peace within....

When Christ rules all wickedness shall cease........For someone to say that Christ rules on earth right now is saying He has no control over His kingdom.......

This is demonstrably incorrect. There is zero Biblical evidence to support the notion that when Jesus is ruling, all problems will be instantly solved. We have been over this many, many times. One more time:

Some assert that Jesus cannot be King right now because there is suffering and wickedness in the world. This position cannot be sustained Biblically.

The key text is this one from 1 Corinthians 15:

For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet.

My argument follows:

1. The assertion is that Jesus cannot be reigning now since there is presently suffering and wickedness – the present reality of such things are seen as inconsistent with the assertion that Jesus presently reigns;

2. Paul says that Jesus must reign until all enemies have been defeated and identifies death as the last enemy to be defeated;

3. This means that, at some points in his reign, there will remain enemies yet to be defeated – Paul sees the kingdom as an unfolding project. When someone asserts that a king must reign until as certain set of enemies are defeated, that person is asserting that there will a progressive defeat of enemies, one after the other, over time;

4. Suffering and wickedness are two possible candidates - two of the enemies that, at some point (or points) in the reign, could remain undefeated.

5. There is no necessity for us to believe that, at the present time, these 2 particular enemies will already have been defeated. Remember, we are told of a reign in which enemies are progressively defeated.

6. Therefore the assertion that that Jesus cannot be reigning now since there is presently suffering and wickedness is overturned.

Now. Please. Enough with the ignoring of this argument, people (I do intend to single you out, n2).

If you can find a logical error in this argument, then, by all means point it out.

But I am quite confident the argument is bullet-proof - There must, if we take Paul seriously here, be a period of time where Jesus is ruling, and yet where there are still problems.

Denial will not make this clear truth disappear. Please face the Biblical facts.

 

[felix]

Drew, what you quoted was actually a response to Lehigh3 for the below statement

The "ends of the ages" had come upon them. The rulers & authorities of Israel in heavenly places were defeated & a new heaven & earth where righteousness dwells came.

.. which I clearly disagree. I believe we are in agreement.

 

[Drew]

Drew, what you quoted was actually a response to Lehigh3 for the below statement



.. which I clearly disagree. I believe we are in agreement.

Sorry for the misunderstanding and thanks for the clarification.

 

[Lehigh3]

Drew, what you quoted was actually a response to Lehigh3 for the below statement



.. which I clearly disagree. I believe we are in agreement.

Well, you are both wrong & preterism is correct. Audience relevance! Who & when did the the old covenant & new covenant (ages) overlap upon?!!

The Biblical proof:

1Cor. 10:11 NKJV,
Old Testament Examples

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.â€[a] 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

So, do you still want to argue that Paul is addressing us in 2011?

 

[Drew]

Well, you are both wrong & preterism is correct.

I believe you have provided no actual Biblical evidence that the position I am espousing is "wrong". Please explain exactly in what sense you see the position that I have expressed is incorrect.

I grant that my agreement with felix may lead you to conclude that I hold to other things he says. That may or may not be the case.

All I have been arguing here (I believe) is the following:

1. Jesus is already king of this present world;
2. The fact that there is "pain and suffering" does not change this

Do you disagree with either of these statements?

 

[Lehigh3]

I believe you have provided no actual Biblical evidence that the position I am espousing is "wrong". Please explain exactly in what sense you see the position that I have expressed is incorrect.

I grant that my agreement with felix may lead you to conclude that I hold to other things he says. That may or may not be the case.

All I have been arguing here (I believe) is the following:

1. Jesus is already king of this present world;
2. The fact that there is "pain and suffering" does not change this

Do you disagree with either of these statements?

I was responding to your saying you agree to disagree with felix regarding my quote about 1 Cor.10:11 & upon whom the ends of the ages had come.

But now that you mention it, I disagree with your post #147, that you think Christ has not put all of His enemies under His feet.

Note the answer from a preterist D.of Div. Don K. Preston about putting all His enemies under his feet:

Some falsely claim that Jesus and the saints did not truly reign during the forty year period. In 1 Corinthians 15:24 Paul spoke of Christ’s then current status, “He must reign until his enemies are put under his feet.†Paul uses the present infinitive which means Christ was currently reigning, and would continue to reign until his enemies were put under him. The time of his rule is the time of the putting down of his enemies. If he was not ruling before 70 then he was not putting down his enemies before 70, but, 1 Corinthians 15:24; Colossians 2:14f; Hebrews 10:13, etc. all speak of how Christ had begun to put all enemies under him. He was ruling in the midst of those enemies, awaiting the consummation of his conquering work.
William Bell astutely notes that if Christ did not begin to rule until AD 70 then the putting down of his enemies, and ruling in the midst of his enemies, did not begin until AD 70. Paul said, “He must reign until his enemies are put under him.†His reign and the putting down of his enemies are synchronous events. The Psalmist said: “Rule thou, in the midst of your enemies†(Psalms 110:2). The ruling until the enemies were put under him, and the ruling in the midst of his enemies are parallel statements. Paul makes it indisputably clear that Christ had begun the work of putting his enemies under him: “He has put all things under him, but we do not yet see all things put under him†(1 Corinthians 15:27; cf. Colossians 2:14f).
The time of the end (1 Corinthians 15:24) is when Messiah finalized his triumph over his enemies, not the time when he would begin to put down his enemies. Revelation depicts that final victory, “when the thousand years are finished†(20:7). So, in Revelation, the beginning of the millennium is the beginning of Messiah’s conquering work. The millennium reign is the consolidation of Messiah’s rule. The end of the millennium is when that work was perfected.
√ John says the martyrs were priests who reigned with Christ for the millennium. In this they share an organic unity with Christ.
Zechariah 6:13 foretold that in the Messianic Temple, Messiah would be both priest and king on his throne.
Hebrews 8:1-3 tells us that Jesus was serving as High Priest over the True Tabernacle, as he sat at “the right hand of the throne of majestyâ€â€“ exactly where the Psalmist said he would rule in the midst of his enemies (Psalms 110:1-2).
In Revelation 20– just as their Lord sat on the throne as king and priest, the saints sat on thrones and served as priests. This was not only true of the dead. The living saints were priests as well (Hebrews 13:15, 1 Peter 2:4; Revelation 1:5).

 

[felix]

Who & when did the the old covenant & new covenant (ages) overlap upon?!!

The Biblical proof:

1Cor. 10:11 NKJV,
Old Testament Examples

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with most of them God was not well pleased, for their bodies were scattered in the wilderness.
6 Now these things became our examples, to the intent that we should not lust after evil things as they also lusted. 7 And do not become idolaters as were some of them. As it is written, “The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.”[a] 8 Nor let us commit sexual immorality, as some of them did, and in one day twenty-three thousand fell; 9 nor let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed by serpents; 10 nor complain, as some of them also complained, and were destroyed by the destroyer. 11 Now all these things happened to them as examples, and they were written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the ages have come.

So, do you still want to argue that Paul is addressing us in 2011?

Yes I would still argue because the ends of the ages (as in 1Cor 10:11) begins even before Christ's crucifixion (Heb 9:26) and ends at the harvest (Matt 13:39,Rev 14:15).

There is no overlap of old and new covenant. If God gave a new covenant, then why should He still wants people to follow old covenant? Christ Himself said that in the below parable.

(Luke 5:37-38) "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

 

[Drew]

But now that you mention it, I disagree with your post #147, that you think Christ has not put all of His enemies under His feet.

I do not see how your position can possibly work in light of the fact that suffering, death, and evil are still with us.

 

[Stormcrow]

There is not overlap of old and new covenant. If God gave a new covenant, then why should He still wants people to follow old covenant?

{17} "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. {18} "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. {19} "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19 (NASB)

{35} "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. {36} "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Matthew 24:35-36 (NASB)

The Old Covenant remained in effect "until heaven and earth" passed away. That happened here:


{20} "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. {21} "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; {22} because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. {23} "Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people; {24} and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24 (NASB)

Everything was not fulfilled until Christ returned in judgement upon Jerusalem, using the Romans to destroy the city and Temple just as He did in 587 BC using the Babylonians.

All was fulfilled in 70 AD.

 

[felix]

{17} "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. {18} "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. {19} "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19 (NASB)

{35} "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. {36} "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. Matthew 24:35-36 (NASB)

The Old Covenant remained in effect "until heaven and earth" passed away. That happened here:


{20} "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near. {21} "Then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains, and those who are in the midst of the city must leave, and those who are in the country must not enter the city; {22} because these are days of vengeance, so that all things which are written will be fulfilled. {23} "Woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days; for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people; {24} and they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. Luke 21:20-24 (NASB)

Everything was not fulfilled until Christ returned in judgement upon Jerusalem, using the Romans to destroy the city and Temple just as He did in 587 BC using the Babylonians.

All was fulfilled in 70 AD.

I wasn't speaking about whether old covenant remained in effect or not. I was speaking about the covenant which God wants His people to follow after He gave the new covenant.

 

[Drew]

{17} "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. ......The Old Covenant remained in effect "until heaven and earth" passed away.That happened here:

{20} "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near......Everything was not fulfilled until Christ returned in judgement upon Jerusalem, using the Romans to destroy the city and Temple just as He did in 587 BC using the Babylonians.

All was fulfilled in 70 AD.

We do not agree on everything but I entirely agree with you here, at least as far as your take on how to read that famous "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished" teaching.

I would add to what you are saying as follows: This "end of the world" language is not to be taken literally. It is a form of expression for which there is ample precedent in the Old Testament - "end of the world" language is used as a metaphorical vehicle for expressing the theological significance of events in the "socio-political" domain.

Taking such texts literally has thrown many well-intentioned people off. As you point out, Jesus is not saying that the Old Covenant (in this case, as represented by the Law of Moses) will last forever, He is instead saying that it is coming to an end shortly, in the spasm of socio-political transformation that occurred in the 1st century.

 

[Lehigh3]

Yes I would still argue because the ends of the ages (as in 1Cor 10:11) begins even before Christ's crucifixion (Heb 9:26) and ends at the harvest (Matt 13:39,Rev 14:15).

There is no overlap of old and new covenant. If God gave a new covenant, then why should He still wants people to follow old covenant? Christ Himself said that in the below parable.

(Luke 5:37-38) "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; or else the new wine will burst the wineskins and be spilled, and the wineskins will be ruined. But new wine must be put into new wineskins, and both are preserved.

You are close, but let me explain to you that Jesus was the Mediator of the new covenant TO ISRAEL. Gentiles have the new covenant of grace, but "we" never had the old one!
The "end times" or "last days" encompassed both the end of the old covenant age & the new.
Heb.1:1-2 NKJV,
God’s Supreme Revelation

1 God, who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, 2 has in these last days spoken to us by His Son,

God didn't give a "new" covenant to the Gentiles. What was "new" pertained to the remnant of Israel. God would remarry them in a new & living way.
Pouring "new" wine into renewed spiritual Israel during the restoration period is what the apostles commission was all about.
Paul on the other hand, was apostle to the Gentiles. So when he speaks of Israel in Romans 10, he says that Israel needs the gospel & that faith came by hearing the gospel preached to them (who were still in the old covenant of the Law)
So the Law hadn't passed until "all things written was fulfilled" (Luke 21:20-22) in AD70.
And good to see you see the fulfillment of Jesus' parable of the wheat & tares in Rev.14:14-20. That, btw, was the harvest of Israel, not gentiles.
The wheat were the the Hebrew Christians who heeded Christ's words in Matt.24:15, & fled the city about to be destroyed by the Romans. They went safe into Christ's "barn" But the tares were the Jews who rejected the Lord. Josephus describes their bloodshed as graphically as the prophecy does, in their great tribulation.
Those Hebrew Christians were also those that were waiting for His appearing a second time for salvation. What does that mean? It means that the temple ritual in Hebrews pointed to Jesus' parousia, to perfect the salvation initiated by His death. (Heb.9:24-28)

 

[n2thelight]

{17} "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. {18} "For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. {19} "Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:17-19 (NASB)

Are you saying the law is done away with?

 

[Stormcrow]

Are you saying the law is done away with?

Yep. Without a doubt. Study the book of Hebrews if you don't believe me.