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God's Love

So, God accepts us through Christ. Then I have a question: if all humans, the way we are made (come from God) we all have a desire to get to know our Creator. How come many people tend to rather choose against Him? Why is that other force so strong, that many perish, instead of becoming His children, too? Our own 'free' will? Lack of knowledge?

Lack of Knowledge
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We begin in Matthew 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.

What is Offense? Itself is not deadly – if it stays in the tray. But if we pick it up and consume it and feed on it in our hearts, then we have become an offense. Offense people produce much fruit, such as anger, outrage, jealousy, resentment, strife, bitterness, hatred, and envy. Some of the consequences of picking up an offense are insults, attacks, wounding, divisions, separation, wounding division, and broken relationships betrayal, and backsliding. Often those who offended do not even realize they are trapped.


Ashes of the mind
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They are oblivious to their condition because they are so focused on the wrong that was done to them. They are in denial.
The most effective way for the enemy to blind us is to cause us to focus on ourselves.

Luke 17:1"It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come!

Matt 18:6-7 Woe to the world because of offenses! For offenses must come, but woe to that man by whom the offense comes!

Matt 18:5-6 "But whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to sin, it would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

Luke 17:1 It is impossible but that offense will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!

Psalms 55:12-14 For it was not an enemy that reproached me; then I could have borne it: neither was it he that hated me that did magnify himself against me; then I would have hidden from him:
But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance.
We took sweet counsel together and walked unto the house of God in the company.

2 Tim 2:24-26 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.


Bible Study
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The Greek word for “offend” in Luke 17: 1 comes from the word skandalon. This word originally referred to the part of the trap to which the bait was attached. If It stays in the tray Hence the word signifies laying a trap in someone’s way. The New Testament often describes an entrapment used by the enemy.
The offense is a tool of the devil to bring people into captivity. Paul instructed young Timothy:


The Tools Satan Uses
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Ephesians 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,
There are so several weapons Satan uses, to trap the mind

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
See Genesis 3: 13

1 Timothy 5:15
For some have already turned aside after Satan.
Lucifer wise and prudent as wise as a serpent, wise as any beasts deceived Eve, But also deceived man as well.

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary, the devil, roams as a roaring lion, walk around and about, seeking whom he may devour:

Note: Lucifer is called Satan, the word Satan just means an “adversary of man.” Lucifer can be a skillful hunter as in,
1 Peter 5:8; just not a roaring lion, but a skillful hunter, as one as preying hunter on the mind of the weak, doesn’t need to be a roaring lion.
Revelation 2:24 the depths of Satan

2 Corinthians 11:14 for Lucifer, Satan your adversary, can transform himself as a man, or into an angel of light.

Lucifer is wise and prudent

To give Him an Open Door
For Sin lies at the door

Lest Satan should take advantage of us; for we are not ignorant of his devices.
(2 Corinthians 2:11)

A trap, if it stays in the tray
of his devices. Much hindered from coming to you Time and time again--but Satan hindered us. A messenger of Satan to buffet my burning of the mind, the fiery darts again I say a messenger, an angel of light or thorn in the flesh, are offense people

the mind can be vexed
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See 2 Cor 2:11; 1 Thess 2:18; Rom 15:22; 2 Cor 11:14.
 
So, God accepts us through Christ. Then I have a question: if all humans, the way we are made (come from God) we all have a desire to get to know our Creator. How come many people tend to rather choose against Him? Why is that other force so strong, that many perish, instead of becoming His children, too? Our own 'free' will? Lack of knowledge?
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
Hosea 4:8 They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.

People will always deny that for which they do not allow themselves to understand. These are the ones who follow after the principalities that rule this world we live on.
 
Then I have a question: if all humans, the way we are made (come from God) we all have a desire to get to know our Creator.
The question presumes a desire to know God. Romans 3:11 There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God... says man has not such desire. (see NO ONE SEEKS GOD thread for heated discussion that comes to no agreement)

How come many people tend to rather choose against Him? Why is that other force so strong, that many perish, instead of becoming His children, too? Our own 'free' will? Lack of knowledge?
Now you've opened a can of worms.
Easy Part: "Lack of Knowledge" ... faith cometh by hearing. If you don't hear the gospel you can't develop faith. Without faith you can't be saved. Some will dispute this. When questioned as to the contents of saving faith for those that have not heard the gospel they will not answer as they do not know (because there is no answer IMO)

Hard (Disputed) Part:
What is the CAUSE of one's belief/faith?
Explanation #1: We belief because of our 'free will'. What is 'free will'? They will say 'free will' is choosing what ever we desire most at the time. This can be shown to be true empirical as one can't choice to do something one does not desire to do (assuming the desire is possible). Well, how does the fit into Romans 3:11 and no one seeks God. They will answer ... because God causes them to seek him via regenerating them at which time this causes them to believe. This is the regeneration logically precedes faith explanation.

Explanation #2a: We belief because of our 'free will'. What is 'free will'? The answer here is not clear. Most, when asked do not have satisfactory answer. Theologians that do have an answer state: Free Will is the ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition. For the will to be free it must act from a posture of neutrality, with absolutely no bias. It determines its own volitions; so as not to be dependent, in its determinations, on any cause without itself, nor determined by anything prior to its own acts. In layman's term this means a person has no reason to choose to believe or not believe. They are indifferent. They choose to believe from indifference. This explanation is valid in that faith is not a work as one decides from indifference and this explanation gives all the glory to God and since this explanation clearly states our decision to believe is uninfluenced, it fits the definition of "free will". Here the logical progression is our faith cause regeneration.
Explanation #2b:
Now, many people say the explanation of #2a is not "free will". They define it differently ... but from my experience they can't define specifically the meaning of "free will'. Since "free will" is the crux of their explanation and since they don't know what "free will' means ... one must wonder how they come to the conclusions they come to.

Put these people to the test. When They say they can define "free will' ask them for specifics in regards to Explanation #2. Ask:
  • Free of what? What thing(s) if anything determine whether you will believe salvifically or not? If any external thing causes you to believe, how can it be called “free will”; rather, it is caused by those external thing(s)
  • Where is "free will" found in the Bible as you define it? (The bible uses the term 'free will' but does not define it) In other words, there concept of "free will" is not explicitly stated in the bible.
  • Does everyone have this same "free will"?
  • Does your explanation explain why a small minority do believe salvifically (ignoring people who have not heard the gospel)? 'Free will' should be a 50/50 coin flip ... but maybe your definition will clear things up
  • Why are those in heaven not given 'free will', why can't they change their mind?
  • Why are those who don't reach the age of accountability not given 'free will' (or are they)? Do they get a free pass and why them and not us?
  • God has the ability to cause everyone he loves to believe salvifically. Why take the chance that the ones He loves (agape love is a volition to favor) will go to hell via 'free will'??? (See definitions of God's Love and Hate)
  • How does 'free will' of man glorify God who does not share His glory with another?
  • Does "free will" cancel God's sovereignty in regards to whom he selects to adopt?
  • Upon salvation and the indwelling of the Spirit, is not our ‘free will’ compromised and if so how; and if not, what is the indwelling of the Spirit doing?
  • Do you continue to have 'free will' until you die? (Can you believe, then not believe, then believe? Is there a limit?
    • Assuming you answer in the affirmative to the preceding question and assuming it is God that determines when you die (I can gives proof verses) ... has God taken away your free will to change your mind to either believe or not believe by determining when you die; thereby, for all practical purposes He has taken away your 'free will' that you cherish
    • Assuming you answered NO to the preceding question consider: There is a man the is 30 and God decides to have him die at 35. God, knowing what would happen if he did things differently, knows that that same man would have believed salvifically at age 40 of his 'free will' (we are assuming 'free will' exists).. How can you say using your definition of 'free will' that that person had 'free will'? Seems God nullifies 'free will', at least in this circumstance
Good luck in your search for truth in the area.
 
One can not understand the real love of God until they experience it for themselves, then they can understand what God's fruits of the Spirit are all about as we walk in the love of God.

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Gal 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.
 
Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:7 As they were increased, so they sinned against me: therefore will I change their glory into shame.
Hosea 4:8 They eat up the sin of my people, and they set their heart on their iniquity.

People will always deny that for which they do not allow themselves to understand. These are the ones who follow after the principalities that rule this world we live on.
Yes, once Godly knowledge is revealed to us, we are obligated to respond to our Lord. He can even lead us through the tangled web of false knowledge laid in our path by workers of iniquity. Still we must respond when Truth is revealed. The innocence of ignorance being no longer an acceptable excuse.
 
First Warning: Do NOT conflate verses in the Bible about man's love and God's love. God's love is NOT the same as man's love. God's love and man's love are analogous, but not univocal (meaning the same for him as it does for us) .
.....Since God is impassable -- his mind cannot be emotionally disturbed -- this means that divine love is not moody and not the effect of any cause; rather, God’s love is not an changing emotion, but an impartial, uninfluenced volition to favor. His love is not moody for He is immutable; His love is impartial as all of each individuals traits originate with God. God's love is holy, man's is not; God's love is uninfluenced, man's is not; God's love is never capricious, man's is not; God's love is eternal, man's is not; God’s love is selfless, man’s is not, God’s love is free to choose, man’s is not ... so measure verses referring to man's love carefully in regard to applying them to God's love.

Second Warning: Beware of posts that do not define what God's love actually means. Specifically, agape love.
Definition #1: “Agape” is one of several Greek words for love. When the word “agape” is used in the Bible, it refers to a pure, willful, sacrificial love that intentionally desires another’s highest good."
Another source's definition: Agape - the Greek word agape means goodwill, benevolence, and willful delight in the object of love. Agape love involves faithfulness, commitment, and an act of the will. It is distinguished from the other types of love by its lofty moral nature and strong character.
So when someone says, God loves this or that person ... makes sure it passes the "smell test". God favors and takes delight in those He loves. If that person is not loved he is not favored and not delightful to God which is simple to test for that person is or will be in hell for eternity. If a person is loved, favored and delightful to God he is or will be in heaven for eternity. Break this rule and one is not talking about God's love; rather, a distorted view of what that person thinks God's love should be.
.... God does not love (favor) those He hates (disfavors); God does not hate (disfavor) those He loves (favors). Either of these statement would be contradictory if untrue and God is rational and non contradictory. (Jacob I loved, and Esau I hated).

God does not love those who will be separated from Him in hell.
  • When God loves a man, it is impossible for that man to be separated from Him (Romans 8:38 - 39). Those that love God, God loved first. 1 John 4:19 We love, because He first loved us.
  • Many will be separated from God in the last day by the words, “Depart from me” (Matthew 7:23).
  • Since the wicked in hell will be separated from God, it is sure that He never loved them at all.
  • It is idiocy to say God loves those in hell just as much and in the same way as those in heaven. If you say He stopped loving them at some point, this would contradict His immutability.
God is angry at the wicked every day, unbelievers cannot please God.
  • The Bible declares rather plainly that God is angry at the wicked every day (Psalm 7:11).
  • He burned in His wrath toward men, when He drowned the entire planet in a Flood of water.
  • And He will be angry again toward men, when He burns up the planet with fire in the last day.
  • God’s anger toward His elect brings kind chastening; His anger toward the wicked brings hell.
 
Lack of Knowledge
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We begin in Matthew 16:23 But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.

What is Offense? Itself is not deadly – if it stays in the tray. But if we pick it up and consume it and feed on it in our hearts, then we have become an offense. Offense people produce much fruit, such as anger, outrage, jealousy, resentment, strife, bitterness, hatred, and envy. Some of the consequences of picking up an offense are insults, attacks, wounding, divisions, separation, wounding division, and broken relationships betrayal, and backsliding. Often those who offended do not even realize they are trapped.
Another way out (maybe I repeat what you are saying, just want to grasp it for myself)
The person, blinded by his/her own sin, is bound and therefore cannot choose the right thing to do (choose for the good path to go, for "team healthy") but is somehow drawn to feed the dark inside? Unless there is again so much compassion from the outside, which helps that person to 'see' the state he/she is in?
So, when I sin, I am an offense to my brother/ sister? It is not only me who is affected by my deeds/ words etc
 
The question presumes a desire to know God. Romans 3:11 There is no one who understands, no one who seeks God... says man has not such desire. (see NO ONE SEEKS GOD thread for heated discussion that comes to no agreement)

Hard (Disputed) Part:
What is the CAUSE of one's belief/faith?
Explanation #1: We belief because of our 'free will'. What is 'free will'? They will say 'free will' is choosing what ever we desire most at the time. This can be shown to be true empirical as one can't choice to do something one does not desire to do (assuming the desire is possible). Well, how does the fit into Romans 3:11 and no one seeks God. They will answer ... because God causes them to seek him via regenerating them at which time this causes them to believe. This is the regeneration logically precedes faith explanation.

Explanation #2a: We belief because of our 'free will'. What is 'free will'? The answer here is not clear. Most, when asked do not have satisfactory answer. Theologians that do have an answer state: Free Will is the ability to make choices without any prior prejudice, inclination, or disposition. For the will to be free it must act from a posture of neutrality, with absolutely no bias. It determines its own volitions; so as not to be dependent, in its determinations, on any cause without itself, nor determined by anything prior to its own acts. In layman's term this means a person has no reason to choose to believe or not believe. They are indifferent. They choose to believe from indifference. This explanation is valid in that faith is not a work as one decides from indifference and this explanation gives all the glory to God and since this explanation clearly states our decision to believe is uninfluenced, it fits the definition of "free will". Here the logical progression is our faith cause regeneration.
Explanation #2b:
Now, many people say the explanation of #2a is not "free will". They define it differently ... but from my experience they can't define specifically the meaning of "free will'. Since "free will" is the crux of their explanation and since they don't know what "free will' means ... one must wonder how they come to the conclusions they come to.
(NO ONE SEEKS GOD thread - will have to read this now)

If one chooses something, the person does this also from their 'knowledge' about the subject, plus the from their personal view expected outcome/ future (or: consequences).
For instance:
one subject of matter is fully known to the person
the other is not.
The first one is easier to grasp, control and disperse of if needed or necessary.
The second contains unknown elements and prospects possibly far more consequences - therefore, is more likely not to be chosen?

Isn't this true on so many occasions?

Take God's love
I believe God is affectionate. He wants to be with us because He delights in us. I find it difficult accepting in transcribing the love of God solely as a definition while at the same time, I am not finished yet with that thought - volitition of favor.
God is righteous. But also, He IS Love.
If we 'knew' what God's love stands for...
 
Yes, once Godly knowledge is revealed to us, we are obligated to respond to our Lord. He can even lead us through the tangled web of false knowledge laid in our path by workers of iniquity. Still we must respond when Truth is revealed. The innocence of ignorance being no longer an acceptable excuse.
this implies: once God, because He chooses to love us, reveals our sin (opens our eyes) we loose the "free will" and have a choice: either turn toward God, or stay on our own path (=sin)?
 
this implies: once God, because He chooses to love us, reveals our sin (opens our eyes) we loose the "free will" and have a choice: either turn toward God, or stay on our own path (=sin)?
Yes. That is the choice. We making that choice in ignorance is one thing but exercising our free will to purposely/intentionally/continuously disobey is quite another.
 
First Warning: Do NOT conflate verses in the Bible about man's love and God's love. God's love is NOT the same as man's love. God's love and man's love are analogous, but not univocal (meaning the same for him as it does for us) .
.....Since God is impassable -- his mind cannot be emotionally disturbed -- this means that divine love is not moody and not the effect of any cause; rather, God’s love is not an changing emotion, but an impartial, uninfluenced volition to favor. His love is not moody for He is immutable; His love is impartial as all of each individuals traits originate with God. God's love is holy, man's is not; God's love is uninfluenced, man's is not; God's love is never capricious, man's is not; God's love is eternal, man's is not; God’s love is selfless, man’s is not, God’s love is free to choose, man’s is not ... so measure verses referring to man's love carefully in regard to applying them to God's love.

Second Warning: Beware of posts that do not define what God's love actually means. Specifically, agape love.
Definition #1: “Agape” is one of several Greek words for love. When the word “agape” is used in the Bible, it refers to a pure, willful, sacrificial love that intentionally desires another’s highest good."
Another source's definition: Agape - the Greek word agape means goodwill, benevolence, and willful delight in the object of love. Agape love involves faithfulness, commitment, and an act of the will. It is distinguished from the other types of love by its lofty moral nature and strong character.
So when someone says, God loves this or that person ... makes sure it passes the "smell test". God favors and takes delight in those He loves. If that person is not loved he is not favored and not delightful to God which is simple to test for that person is or will be in hell for eternity. If a person is loved, favored and delightful to God he is or will be in heaven for eternity. Break this rule and one is not talking about God's love; rather, a distorted view of what that person thinks God's love should be.
.... God does not love (favor) those He hates (disfavors); God does not hate (disfavor) those He loves (favors). Either of these statement would be contradictory if untrue and God is rational and non contradictory. (Jacob I loved, and Esau I hated).

God does not love those who will be separated from Him in hell.
  • When God loves a man, it is impossible for that man to be separated from Him (Romans 8:38 - 39). Those that love God, God loved first. 1 John 4:19 We love, because He first loved us.
  • Many will be separated from God in the last day by the words, “Depart from me” (Matthew 7:23).
  • Since the wicked in hell will be separated from God, it is sure that He never loved them at all.
  • It is idiocy to say God loves those in hell just as much and in the same way as those in heaven. If you say He stopped loving them at some point, this would contradict His immutability.
God is angry at the wicked every day, unbelievers cannot please God.
  • The Bible declares rather plainly that God is angry at the wicked every day (Psalm 7:11).
  • He burned in His wrath toward men, when He drowned the entire planet in a Flood of water.
  • And He will be angry again toward men, when He burns up the planet with fire in the last day.
  • God’s anger toward His elect brings kind chastening; His anger toward the wicked brings hell.
I was just about to say we cannot confuse God's chastising us as disfavor, but you addressed that in your final line of your post.
 
Sometimes humans manage to love close to what Godly love is. Think of an unpossessive parents love towards their child. Who is there when they need them but gives them freedom. Similar to the love, of the father in the Prodigal Son story.
Humans are made in God's image so have the potential to have and share Godly love. Due to grace.
 
The universe is vast and infinite, but also the universe also has windows, each window is into past into the future
our newest satellites try to see deep beyond the universe, piercing through layers of the universe with the eyes of these newest types of satellites to reach the very edge, of our universe it has like a vail where men have tried to see the Kingdom of God. The span of the universe is about 46.5 billion light-years away and expanding.

Our universe has an edge, it is called Euclidian Universe has no boundaries that no man cannot see with his naked eye, and forever expanding.


There is a giant chasm, this great chase calls the Opaque Universes, in the bible is a great gulf fixed, meaning a great Cosmic Rift, a separation between man, the Lord angels, and Satan. This is the edge of the entire Universes, but beyond the Opaque Universe is the very edge of the miraculous
a great chasm separate man from God
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The great gulf fixed
Luke 16:24-26 there is a great gulf fixed so that those who want to pass from here to you cannot, nor can those from there pass to us.'

Because of the time, it takes light to travel, back farther away an object is, the further back in time we are looking of our beginning, now what is in front of our I suppose that the Our universe is celestial clock like our Milky Way, turning to shape the universe, the density, and shape, always moving like a celestial clock

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Now about spiritual currency? Mmmm? yes, there is some try of spiritual currency.
There is no vast universe. There are no immense galaxies, no immeasurable distanced.

The pancake Earth is covered by a Firmament 73 miles up. Everything today is a lie.
 
Sometimes humans manage to love close to what Godly love is. Think of an unpossessive parents love towards their child. Who is there when they need them but gives them freedom. Similar to the love, of the father in the Prodigal Son story.
Humans are made in God's image so have the potential to have and share Godly love. Due to grace.
How do you personally share Godly love?
 
Definition: Love in God is a volition of favor, hate/wrath is a volition to disfavor.
Exegesis of
John 3:16 (the most abused verse in Scripture today)
God so loved the world”. Many suppose that this means, ‘The entire human race.’ But “the entire human race,” includes all mankind from Adam till the close of the earth’s history! Consider, the history of mankind before Christ was born. Unnumbered millions lived and died before the Savior came to the earth, Ephesians 2:12 “having no hope and without God in the world”, and therefore went to hell. If God “loved” them (or those today that have not heard the salvific gospel), where is the slightest proof? “Who (God) in times past (from the tower of Babel till after Pentecost) suffered all nations to walk in their own ways” (Acts 14:16). God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do things which are improper and repulsive (Romans 1:28). To Israel God said, “You only have I known of all the families of the earth” (Amos 3:2). (Aside: God speaks to KNOWING people, not plan or events). Thus, how can one insist that God in the past loved all mankind! Read the 20th chapter of the Revelation, the great white throne judgment, and see if you can discover there the slightest trace of love (agape LOVE is defined as "a volition to favor". These people spend 99.99% of their lives (pre and post death) in hell .. how could this be an illustration of God's volition to favor (love). (To put it in the vernacular, with friends like that, who needs enemies .)

A study of the concordance will show that there are more references in Scripture to the anger, fury, and wrath of God, than there are to His love and tenderness. Because God is holy, He hates all sin; and because He hates all sin, His anger burns against the sinner (Psalm 7:11; Matthew 3:7).

What of John 3:16. John 3:16 and says, “World means world”. True, but that “the world” does not mean the whole human family." The world” is used in a general way. When the brethren of Christ said, “Shew Thyself to the world” (John 7:4), did they mean “shew Thyself to all mankind” (ridiculous)? When the Pharisees said, “Behold, the world is gone after Him” (John 12:19), did they mean that “all the human family” were flocking after Him (ridiculous)? When the apostle wrote, “Your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world” (Romans 1:8), did he mean that the faith of the saints at Rome was the subject of conversation by every man, woman, and child on the earth (ridiculous)? These, and other passages (John 14:17; John 15:19; John 16:20; John 17:14; etc.) which might be quoted, show that the term “the world” often has a relative rather than an absolute force.

World is a nonspecific term for humanity in a general sense. The statement in verse 17, “that the world might be saved through Him,” proves that it does not mean everyone who has ever lived, since all will not be saved. Verse 16 clearly cannot be teaching universal salvation, since the context promises that unbelievers will perish in eternal judgment (vv. 16–18). John MacArthur – New Testament Commentary


Does God love everyone without exception. Yes and no.

YES … The New Testament is replete with references of God’s good will to all humanity even in our fallenness (Matthew 5:43-48). Called the love of benevolence, it includes no spiritual benefit, and none of that concern that a father would have for his children. God provide natural benefits to the reprobates. See Romans 9:13-26; Psalm 145:8–9 “The LORD is gracious, and full of compassion; slow to anger, and of great mercy. The LORD is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his works.”

No.. God does not favor (the definition of love is “volition to favor”) everyone to the same extent. He loves those in Christ as He loves Christ. (John 17:23) To those God adopts He loves most and perfectly. There is NO hate (volition to disfavor) in God for those IN CHRIST; whereas, the wrath (volition of disfavor) of God is eternal for those not IN CHRIST.
Tell me how one becomes In Christ.
 
Yes God is Holy
The Fear of the Lord is love
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I only can give you these words
I John 4:17-18 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have baldness in the day of judgment; as he is, so are in this world. There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear; because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

Job 28:28 And unto man he said, behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Deuteronomy 6:1-2 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the Lord you God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it; that thou mightest fear the Lord thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou and thy son, and thy son’s son, all the days of thy life; and that the days may be prolonged.

Deuteronomy 8:6 Therefore thou shalt keep the commandments of the Lord thy God, to walk in his ways, and fear him.

II Kings 17:36-39 But the Lord, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great authority and a stretched out arm, he shall ye fear, and he shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice. And the statutes, and the ordinances, and the law, and the commandments, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods. And the covenant that I have made with you ye shall not forget; neither shall ye fear other gods. But the Lord your God ye shall fear, and he shall deliver you out of the hand of all your enemies.

I Chronicles 16:29-30 Give unto the Lord the glory due unto his name; bring an offering, and come before him; worship the Lord in the beauty of holiness. Fear before him, all the earth; the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psalm 33:8 Let all the earth fear the Lord; let all the inhabitants of thee world stand in awe of him.

Daniel 6:26 I make a decree, That in every dominion of my6 kingdom men tremble and fear before the God of Daniel; for he is the living God, and steadfast forever, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed and his dominion shall be even unto the end.

Luke 12:4-5 And I say unto you my friends, be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more than they can do. But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear; Fear him which after he hath killed, hath authority and power to cast into hell; yea I say unto you, fear him.

Psalm 111:10 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; a good understanding has all they that do his commandments; his praise endure forever.

Proverbs 14:26-27 In the fear of the Lord is strong confidence, and his children shall have a place of refuge. The fear of the Lord is a fountain of life, to depart from the snares of death.

Isaiah 33:5-6 The Lord is exalted; for he dwelleth on high; he hath Zion with judgment and righteousness, and wisdom and knowledge shall be the stability of thy times, and strength of salvation; fear of the Lord is his treasure.

Jeremiah 46:28 Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the Lord, for I am with thee; for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee; but I will not make a full end of thee, but correct thee in measure; yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.

Proverbs 3:25 Be not afraid of sudden fear neither of the desolation of the wicked when it cometh.

1 John 2:15-16 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world--the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life--is not of the Father but is of the world.




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I can not feed into an offense, for an offense open a door to Satan
I only can give you these words

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1 Cor 11:27-34
If, then, anyone takes the bread or the cup of the Lord in the wrong spirit, he will be responsible for the body and blood of the Lord.
But let no man take of the bread and the cup without testing himself.
For a man puts himself in danger, if he takes part in the holy meal without being conscious that it is the Lord's body. For this cause, a number of you are feeble and ill, and a number are dead.
But if we were true judges of ourselves, the punishment would not come on us.
But if punishment does come, it is sent by the Lord, so that we may be safe when the world is judged.
So then, my brothers, when you come together to the holy meal of the Lord, let there be waiting for one another.
If any man is in need of food, let him take his meal in his house; so that you may not come together to your damage. And the rest I will put in order when I come.

(This means to Examine oneself in this forum is all about breaking bread and love when one is against one other)

Like in Psalm 51:4 (KJV) Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest and be clear when thou judgest.
I'm saying but this is the word of God

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