God's Word And Your Condition

[Dorothy Mae]

I repeat, healing from God is complex and not a simply black and white answer. This we see in the healing ministry of Jesus who healed different people differently. He did not do the same for everyone.

 

[gordon777]

I wont be on this forum long, but while I am you will see my answers, and my belief, and good for you if it is not sincere.

 

[gordon777]

I repeat, healing from God is complex and not a simply black and white answer. This we see in the healing ministry of Jesus who healed different people differently. He did not do the same for everyone.

Repeat all you like, and I answer.

Healing in the body is nothing if the soul is not healed.


That is why He had to go away as He told us..




John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

More verses then for you, about our own testimonies) experiences)

Plus you can assume all you like, it is all you show yourself capable of( instead of actually knowing and believing, in full assurance of faith, and I am not touchy at all. Psalm 119:165.)





John 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.




Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

You can continue to site scripture if that makes you feel justified but obviously you have NEVER prayed for someone was healed as a result. It would be more humble to admit it. Here is a scriptures for you.


"God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I wont be on this forum long, but while I am you will see my answers, and my belief, and "good for you if it is not sincere."

I have no idea what "good for you if it is not sincere" means.

 

[gordon777]

In our body we die to show the death of the Lord Jesus( again your ideas are back to front)


2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Repeat all you like, and I answer.

Healing in the body is nothing if the soul is not healed.

That is why He had to go away as He told us..

John 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

I wonder why Jesus healed so many bodies. He, apparently, does not agree with you. Neither would the apostles have agreed with you. But, of course, "healing the soul" is easy to fake.

 

[gordon777]

You can continue to site scripture if that makes you feel justified but obviously you have NEVER prayed for someone was healed as a result. It would be more humble to admit it. Here is a scriptures for you.


"God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble."

Yes, and you are against illness in our bodies, when it shows the Spirit of Christ is in us( not your claim that it is us being unfaithful)


2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

 

[gordon777]

I wonder why Jesus healed so many bodies. He, apparently, does not agree with you. Neither would the apostles have agreed with you. But, of course, "healing the soul" is easy to fake.

Where is your humility to ignore all the verses shown to you, and all I spoke of, how Jesus did not come to heal bodies, but the spirit, that is why He left earth( where He healed bodies) so in Heaven He gives the Spirit( to heal our soul)



Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Where is your humility to ignore all the verses shown to you, and all I spoke of, how Jesus did not come to heal bodies, but the spirit, that is why He left earth( where He healed bodies) so in Heaven He gives the Spirit( to heal our soul)



Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

You really are unaware of all of the times Jesus healed people? That you think he did not come to heal bodies??? Really? Why did he do it since he said everything he did he was doing because the father wanted him to do those things.

But I do admit that this is a new excuse as to why people are not healed today around you. God does not want them healed in body. That is a new one. I am glad God does not know that He does not want to heal bodies but heals people frequently.

 

[for_his_glory]

Matthew 13:15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Proverbs 4:20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.
21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.
22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.
23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
24 Put away from thee a froward mouth, and perverse lips put far from thee.
25 Let thine eyes look right on, and let thine eyelids look straight before thee.
26 Ponder the path of thy feet, and let all thy ways be established.
27 Turn not to the right hand nor to the left: remove thy foot from evil.

What does that have to do with what Dorothy Mae asked you in her post #18 that was a yes or no question.

 

[for_his_glory]

Faith healing is an ability to scam people into believing some person has power from God.

The same applies for anyone, who gives their own testimony ( and not the testimony of Christ instead) that they also had such strong faith and were healed.

In both cases it is manipulation, because every single thing in this world is designed by satan to fool the simple.

If a person has illness, so that they could not recover, what is the difference to the path the Lords Apostles were on, which was fated to all be murdered ?

If a person is young, yet does not have a lot of time to live, when they find out they are ill, or if some sort of fate ends that life. What is the difference to the Son of Gods life, ( even at birth they sent murderers after Him) and all of that life ( in troubles) was waiting for the fulfillment of the same murderers achieving their aim of murdering the Messiah ?

That is what it means to follow Jesus and His Apostles, you take no concern for your life, and the faith healers, and those who claim they are miraculously healed, have no purpose any more, as with God, you do not need those peoples words.


Luke 12:22 And he said unto his disciples, Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat; neither for the body, what ye shall put on.




Jesus heals our heart through His stripes, which means we do not trust in the lies people tell( remember satan is cunning and real and really wants to destroy us by any means/ uses people to even betray us.) so we focus ONLY ON HIM, suffering for us, and the ones who do not believe in Jesus, show they DO NOT BELIEVE IN SUFFERING..




2 Corinthians 1:5 For as the sufferings of Christ abound in us, so our consolation also aboundeth by Christ.

Colossians 1:24 Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church:

1 Peter 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

If I am understanding you right, I see you do not believe we can be healed or should be concerned about any healing. Please explain what you mean without only using scripture in your post as we want to hear your understanding.

 

[for_his_glory]

God intended for the scriptures to be a breeding ground( opportunity) for manipulators, because it manifests who trusts in God, who does not hear them, and the deceiver is trapped through deceiving themselves and being deceived.

WOW!!! ..............By making a statement like that makes me believe you have no clue of what God's word is intended for as it sure is not intended to be a breeding ground( opportunity) for manipulators. Many do take on a God complex being deceived they are doing everything in the name of Jesus, but have no power or authority from God from such turn away. Spiritual discernment must always come first in what we hear and see.

2Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

[for_his_glory]

More verses then for you, about our own testimonies) experiences)

Plus you can assume all you like, it is all you show yourself capable of( instead of actually knowing and believing, in full assurance of faith, and I am not touchy at all. Psalm 119:165.)





John 5:33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth.
34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved.

1 John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.




Hebrews 10:22 Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

I can see by your replies you do not believe people can be healed by God and they should not even consider thinking they could be. Am I right in thinking this?

 

[for_his_glory]

Healing is for our soul to be saved, not our body.

If our body required healing, we would see Jesus remain on earth healing bodies.

But we saw He left earth to do the true purpose, of giving us His Spirit by sacrificing His body for us.

You have faith back to front and will be exposed more and more by me.( my faith.)

How do you understand these scriptures below as God has used me, as well as many, as His vessel working His healing power through me/us as there is nothing we can do on our own.

Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

Of course we are not told to handle snakes or drink anything that is poisoned, but to know if we are bitten by a snake like Paul was bitten or if we drank anything that was poisoned it can't hurt us if we have faith and trust in the Lord. These snakes handles are only tempting and deceiving others to prove their point of view as they misrepresent God's word.

 

[Cnkw3]

Notice, in Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Confession means to say the same thing.

Confession, in this context, is confessing with your mouth the Lord Jesus just like the example we have in acts 8:37. I dont even know what you are trying to say it is.

And salvation doesn't just mean being born again it also means healing, deliverance, wholeness, preservation.

This is not true. You juts made it up. Show me anywhere in the NT where the Lord promises to those who believe and become Christians that they will be physically whole and not be sick or ever have any problems or are always promised healing. We are told that the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. we are told that the prayer of faith shall save the sick but it is not promised that this will happen every time. we know that many times it doesn’t.

Notice, how you get those things by believing the word with your heart and saying what God said. That's what Jesus said in Mark 11:23 For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

One of the keys to prayer that many overlook is this….We can ask what we want but the determining factor is Gods will.
1 Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
Jesus asked…let this cup pass from me. Did it? No! Why? Because it wasn’t in Gods will that it should.
You can ask for whatever you want, but if it is not in line with Gods will then good luck.

It is not God's will that any should perish.

You are misusing this passage.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God does not want anybody to perish and the ones that wont perish will be the ones that are obedient to his conditions of pardon. It is Gods will that…..in order to be saved one must obey the gospel. Mk 16:15,16.

And I wouldn't want to end this article without giving someone the opportunity to receive Jesus as their Lord and Savior. It's very easy just pray:

Show me ONE, JUST ONE person under the new covenant that prayed for their salvation. JUST ONE.

Dear God- I know I have sinned and I now turn from them and I invite Jesus to come into my heart (Revelation 3:20). He died for my sins and you have raised him from the dead and I now confess that Jesus is my Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9,10). I thank you for saving me, Amen

Bunch of nonsense. Why do you want to ask someone to do something that not ONE PERSON ever did for salvation when the apostles, who built the church, walked this earth?

 

[Cnkw3]

Just saying it is complex does not answer the question I was asking. I would love to know why some get healing and others do not as it doesn't have anything to do with others just saying they do not have enough faith or that something in their life is blocking the healing. I'm talking about people with great faith and are walking in obedience to God.

Just look at acts 12. Both Peter and James were in prison. God sends an angel to rescue Peter and lets James get his head cut off. God has his end of the stick and we best stay off of it. We shouldn’t sit around and ask why our only reply should always be….Not my will but thine be done.
And nowhere in the NT has he said that it is his will that Christian’s are always healthy and secure. Paul prayed for his thorn in the flesh to be taken away. Did God do it? No. He said my Grace is sufficient for you. So the next time a Christian Prays for healing and doesn’t get it they should just remember Gods words to Paul…..My grace is sufficient for you!

 

[for_his_glory]

God intends us to pray for the sick and see them healed. It does not happen much in the western world but it is more common in the underdeveloped churches.

It does happen quite a bit here in America as it does in all countries whether they are underdeveloped or not. God is no respecter of any country, but that all who will come to Him will be saved. Some get healed, some don't and I have no reason why others of great faith and trust in the Lord do not receive physical or mental healing, which was what I questioned from the beginning, but probably will never get an answer as only God knows.

 

[for_his_glory]

I wont be on this forum long, but while I am you will see my answers, and my belief, and good for you if it is not sincere.

No one is doubting your sincerity, but your understanding of scripture in how you present them without any explanations of how you understand them. That is why we are asking you questions, but you are not answering them, but only cherry picking through a bunch of scriptures. How does that help teach anyone.

 

[for_his_glory]

Just look at acts 12. Both Peter and James were in prison. God sends an angel to rescue Peter and lets James get his head cut off. God has his end of the stick and we best stay off of it. We shouldn’t sit around and ask why our only reply should always be….Not my will but thine be done.
And nowhere in the NT has he said that it is his will that Christian’s are always healthy and secure. Paul prayed for his thorn in the flesh to be taken away. Did God do it? No. He said my Grace is sufficient for you. So the next time a Christian Prays for healing and doesn’t get it they should just remember Gods words to Paul…..My grace is sufficient for you!

I believe we are allowed to question certain things for that is how we learn, but it is up to God to give us an answer and not man. If God be silent on what we ask then we just need to accept His silence. I agree that God never said if we are Spiritually born again from above our lives would be a bed of roses as He said we will face many trials and tribulations here on earth.