God's Word And Your Condition

[Dorothy Mae]

It does happen quite a bit here in America as it does in all countries whether they are underdeveloped or not. God is no respecter of any country, but that all who will come to Him will be saved. Some get healed, some don't and I have no reason why others of great faith and trust in the Lord do not receive physical or mental healing, which was what I questioned from the beginning, but probably will never get an answer as only God knows.

Healing is increasing in western nations but it was very common in the undeveloped world because those people knew the spiritual world exists. Westerns had a more difficult time believing in the unseen world. Way back in the 70s when healing in US churches was just about unknown, the church in Indonesia had many miracles take place, for example. I have read of people raised from the dead by prayer in under developed countries which is pretty amazing.

The question as to why God did not heal someone needs to be addressed primarily to the person involved. Sometimes there is some task God requires them to do, for example, as we see when Jesus healed people or even the Naaman the Syrian. He had to dip in the Jorden river. But sometimes not. They can get an answer if they press into God to ask him. He rarely tells us other people's business though.

 

[for_his_glory]

Confession, in this context, is confessing with your mouth the Lord Jesus just like the example we have in acts 8:37. I dont even know what you are trying to say it is.

This is not true. You juts made it up. Show me anywhere in the NT where the Lord promises to those who believe and become Christians that they will be physically whole and not be sick or ever have any problems or are always promised healing. We are told that the effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. we are told that the prayer of faith shall save the sick but it is not promised that this will happen every time. we know that many times it doesn’t.

One of the keys to prayer that many overlook is this….We can ask what we want but the determining factor is Gods will.
1 Jn 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:
Jesus asked…let this cup pass from me. Did it? No! Why? Because it wasn’t in Gods will that it should.
You can ask for whatever you want, but if it is not in line with Gods will then good luck.

You are misusing this passage.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
God does not want anybody to perish and the ones that wont perish will be the ones that are obedient to his conditions of pardon. It is Gods will that…..in order to be saved one must obey the gospel. Mk 16:15,16.

Show me ONE, JUST ONE person under the new covenant that prayed for their salvation. JUST ONE.

Bunch of nonsense. Why do you want to ask someone to do something that not ONE PERSON ever did for salvation when the apostles, who built the church, walked this earth?

Frank Broom said: Dear God- I know I have sinned and I now turn from them and I invite Jesus to come into my heart (Revelation 3:20). He died for my sins and you have raised him from the dead and I now confess that Jesus is my Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9,10). I thank you for saving me, Amen

You replied: Bunch of nonsense. Why do you want to ask someone to do something that not ONE PERSON ever did for salvation when the apostles, who built the church, walked this earth?

What is so wrong with that confession of faith in the way Frank presented it as it is scriptural. I believe everyone has made this same confession of faith when we first came to God's salvation through Christ Jesus.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

 

[Cnkw3]

Frank Broom said: Dear God- I know I have sinned and I now turn from them and I invite Jesus to come into my heart (Revelation 3:20). He died for my sins and you have raised him from the dead and I now confess that Jesus is my Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9,10). I thank you for saving me, Amen

You replied: Bunch of nonsense. Why do you want to ask someone to do something that not ONE PERSON ever did for salvation when the apostles, who built the church, walked this earth?

What is so wrong with that confession of faith in the way Frank presented it as it is scriptural.

If its so “scriptural” then where are the scriptures? Where are all the scriptural examples of people doing this? I asked for ONE. Why would you reply to this and not give me just ONE example of Franks way of salvation? Why? Is it because you dont have any?
Rev 3:20 says nothing about an alien sinner praying for their salvation.
Rom 10:9,10 says nothing of prayer. Confess with the mouth the Lord jesus. It doesn’t say…confess your sins. Are you now saying that every prayer we utter has to come through the mouth? That it must be spoken or written or made known?

I believe everyone has made this same confession of faith when we first came to God's salvation through Christ Jesus.

Not through praying a sinners prayer. I never did that nor anybody else in any of the congregations that I have worshipped with.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

I guess we can leave repentance out. Thats ok you homosexuals you dont have to repent and you can keep on living just as you want because you believe in Jesus and said a prayer.

 

[for_his_glory]

Healing is increasing in western nations but it was very common in the undeveloped world because those people knew the spiritual world exists. Westerns had a more difficult time believing in the unseen world. Way back in the 70s when healing in US churches was just about unknown, the church in Indonesia had many miracles take place, for example. I have read of people raised from the dead by prayer in under developed countries which is pretty amazing.

The question as to why God did not heal someone needs to be addressed primarily to the person involved. Sometimes there is some task God requires them to do, for example, as we see when Jesus healed people or even the Naaman the Syrian. He had to dip in the Jorden river. But sometimes not. They can get an answer if they press into God to ask him. He rarely tells us other people's business though.

I really do not want to debate this, but there have been many great Pastor/Evangelist since the foundation of America that God has worked through laying hands on the sick as many have been healed. A couple names that come to mind that had their beginnings in the 1800's are Billy Sunday and Smith Wigglesworth. It could be that since you are from Europe you have never heard of them.

 

[for_his_glory]

If its so “scriptural” then where are the scriptures? Where are all the scriptural examples of people doing this? I asked for ONE. Why would you reply to this and not give me just ONE example of Franks way of salvation? Why? Is it because you dont have any?

I did but you ignored what I posted in post #62 and also the scripture Frank Broom posted in Romans 10:9-10.

We had this discussion in the other thread about the Lord's prayer. Prayer is simply talking to God as we confess before Him. You really need to go study the different types of prayer as there are many of them.

 

[for_his_glory]

Not through praying a sinners prayer. I never did that nor anybody else in any of the congregations that I have worshipped with.

What do you believe a sinners prayer is if not confessing you are a sinner needing God's grace as you confess Jesus as Lord and Savior or do you just ignore Romans 10:9-10

I guess we can leave repentance out. Thats ok you homosexuals you dont have to repent and you can keep on living just as you want because you believe in Jesus and said a prayer.

Where did I say anything about leaving out repentance. Making confession is also confessing we are sinners and need forgiveness. Anyone can repeat a simple prayer, but if it does not come from the heart, whether it be spoken out loud or not then they are only repeating words.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This involves speaking to God (praying) confessing to Him that we are sinners and need His free gift of grace through Christ Jesus.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

The door is prayer as we seek Jesus. Have you climb up some other way since you believe you do not have to pray?

 

[Benadam]

I think He intended for us to do whatever He did to give to others whatever He gave to us.

 

[Hopeful]

Just saying it is complex does not answer the question I was asking. I would love to know why some get healing and others do not as it doesn't have anything to do with others just saying they do not have enough faith or that something in their life is blocking the healing. I'm talking about people with great faith and are walking in obedience to God.

Maybe the answer is "NO"?

 

[for_his_glory]

Maybe the answer is "NO"?

I agree as I said sometimes God will not reveal the reason why some do not get healed as only He knows why and what purpose He has in saying no.

I never said this before, but the question I asked about why some do not receive their healing was for my own condition, but I have learned to live with it as it has not discouraged my walk with the Lord.

 

[Hopeful]

I agree as I said sometimes God will not reveal the reason why some do not get healed as only He knows why and what purpose He has in saying no.

I never said this before, but the question I asked about why some do not receive their healing was for my own condition, but I have learned to live with it as it has not discouraged my walk with the Lord.

I am glad it hasn't discouraged you.
Another reason some may not be healed, is they are still sinners.
"...God heareth not sinners..." (John 9:31)
"For the eyes of the Lord are over the righteous, and his ears are open unto their prayers: but the face of the Lord is against them that do evil." (1 Peter 3:12)

 

[Cnkw3]

I did but you ignored what I posted in post #62 and also the scripture Frank Broom posted in Romans 10:9-10.

We had this discussion in the other thread about the Lord's prayer. Prayer is simply talking to God as we confess before Him. You really need to go study the different types of prayer as there are many of them.

I answered every single thing you said in post 62. It was in post 63. I also answered Rom 10. Please show me where any of that is prayer? In acts 8:37 when the Eunuch confessed….was he praying? No!
Just because you make some strange statement that confession is now prayer doesn’t mean that it is. Why dont you list all of the “different types of prayer”, and the passages that support them and I will study it.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

Frank Broom said: Dear God- I know I have sinned and I now turn from them and I invite Jesus to come into my heart (Revelation 3:20). He died for my sins and you have raised him from the dead and I now confess that Jesus is my Lord and Savior (Romans 10:9,10). I thank you for saving me, Amen

You replied: Bunch of nonsense. Why do you want to ask someone to do something that not ONE PERSON ever did for salvation when the apostles, who built the church, walked this earth?

What is so wrong with that confession of faith in the way Frank presented it as it is scriptural. I believe everyone has made this same confession of faith when we first came to God's salvation through Christ Jesus.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

Actually Frank Broom was correct although not very charitable in his choice of words. Not a single person “asked Jesus into their heart” in the New Testament. Not a single person preached to crowds or individuals that they need to ask Jesus into their hearts. No one preached to crowds that they must be born again, something that they cannot even do. What did they preach?

“Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.”

This people can do and everyone knows they can. God knows people can repent as well.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

I really do not want to debate this, but there have been many great Pastor/Evangelist since the foundation of America that God has worked through laying hands on the sick as many have been healed. A couple names that come to mind that had their beginnings in the 1800's are Billy Sunday and Smith Wigglesworth. It could be that since you are from Europe you have never heard of them.

It’s an indication of how rare it is when you can mention only a few names in a nation of millions of believers since the foundation. Maybe it’s embarrassing that undeveloped nations experience miracles more but it’s better to admit this and ask why than refuse to acknowledge it is so. I lived in the under developed world and they are in general very much aware of the spiritual world. It makes a difference.

I know people who saw this difference and were honest enough to admit it and looked into why.

 

[Cooper]

Dorothy Mae first of all thank you for taking the time to read this post. I myself had something come against my body and I myself did exactly what I wrote in this post and I received my healing. But, if you want a Bible example how about the woman with the issue of blood when she said, "If I may touch, but his clothes I shall be whole", where did she get that from Malichi 4:2 the Sun of righteousness(Jesus) shall arise with healing in his wings (referring to his garment).

JESUS.

 

[Dorothy Mae]

What do you believe a sinners prayer is if not confessing you are a sinner needing God's grace as you confess Jesus as Lord and Savior or do you just ignore Romans 10:9-10

Where did I say anything about leaving out repentance. Making confession is also confessing we are sinners and need forgiveness. Anyone can repeat a simple prayer, but if it does not come from the heart, whether it be spoken out loud or not then they are only repeating words.

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

This involves speaking to God (praying) confessing to Him that we are sinners and need His free gift of grace through Christ Jesus.

John 10:1 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

The door is prayer as we seek Jesus. Have you climb up some other way since you believe you do not have to pray?

Asking “otherwise homeless” Jesus into your heart isn’t even close to repentance. But a longer discussion would derail the threat.

Gods word and your condition, assuming not healthy…

While one can find a good scripture that appeals to one and claim it, if one wants. I haven’t noticed this is particularly powerful or results in the expected outcome but it’s better than throwing in the towel.

A vastly superior way to claiming for you what God said to Paul (not you) is to DO WHAT PAUL DID. That is, press in to the Lord and ask for guidance as to how to proceed. I do admit that if you haven’t developed a life time of asking God for his instructions/directions on less weighty matters this will be tough.

That is because hearing God has requirements on our part. Fhg said God chooses not to answer, but the truth is we don’t hear Him, same as in Jesus’ day people didn’t hear God either. There’s a reason for that but you’re not going to like it.

“Your sins have separated you from God.” So if you want to clean out the channel, you’ll need to repent AND make it right by man as necessary. You sinned against someone? Go ask their forgiveness (no wishy washy save-the-pride “if I hurt you” but a painful to the pride “I did wrong, can you please forgive me?”)

I know your preacher told you all future sins are forgiven but you’re asking God, not your preacher, as to what He wants you to do so you’d better do what He requires. “If I harbor sin in my heart the Lord WILL NOT HEAR me.”

As a witness to this painful procedure I can testify that I cannot recall a single question I’ve asked God that He didn’t answer. Might be one but I can only remember the delightful beyond words joy of receiving understanding from Him.

The secret things belong to the Lord but He reveals them to a certain kind of person. Work towards being that kind. He doesn’t play favoritism. He’s open to anyone fulfilling the conditions. (Disclaimer: the more you enjoy being renown or have the admiration of men, the less likely you’ll be one. Pride becomes too great a barrier so the least among us might have a better starting place.)

I should add that there are other requirements to hearing God, but that’s the major and first one. After that is done, there might be others. But if a believer humbles THEMSELVES (as scripture says), they will find a heretofore not known measure of grace released (as scripture says.)

God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble so HUMBLE YOURSELVES…

 

[gordon777]

You really are unaware of all of the times Jesus healed people? That you think he did not come to heal bodies??? Really? Why did he do it since he said everything he did he was doing because the father wanted him to do those things.

But I do admit that this is a new excuse as to why people are not healed today around you. God does not want them healed in body. That is a new one. I am glad God does not know that He does not want to heal bodies but heals people frequently.

Jesus healed people to confirm the signs spoken of Him that He came to take our infirmities away ( that and all was fulfilled and then Christ was received up to glory.



Acts 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.


Now that belief was established( all was fulfilled that was written of Christ) We now have illness in our body to show Christ is in us



2 Corinthians 4:10 Always bearing about in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body.
11 For we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh.

 

[gordon777]

What does that have to do with what Dorothy Mae asked you in her post #18 that was a yes or no question.

Healing to our flesh is through faith, not through anyone else, as told in Isaiah ( I answer how I feel in faith thank you very much, and according to how I see others resisting it)

The purpose I share these testimonies( and the purpose everybody shares their words with each other) is so what words we believed, will be how we end up, with Gods Word or without for ever.





Isaiah 58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?
7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?
8 Then shall thy light break forth as the morning, and thine health shall spring forth speedily: and thy righteousness shall go before thee; the glory of the Lord shall be thy reward.
9 Then shalt thou call, and the Lord shall answer; thou shalt cry, and he shall say, Here I am. If thou take away from the midst of thee the yoke, the putting forth of the finger, and speaking vanity;
10 And if thou draw out thy soul to the hungry, and satisfy the afflicted soul; then shall thy light rise in obscurity, and thy darkness be as the noon day:

 

[gordon777]

If I am understanding you right, I see you do not believe we can be healed or should be concerned about any healing. Please explain what you mean without only using scripture in your post as we want to hear your understanding.

Our understanding is nothing compared to Gods word( the word that is for ever and all of heaven and earth vanishes for ever.

Apostle Paul was concerned about healing, Gods answer answers for you...





2 Corinthians 12:7 And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8 For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

 

[gordon777]

WOW!!! ..............By making a statement like that makes me believe you have no clue of what God's word is intended for as it sure is not intended to be a breeding ground( opportunity) for manipulators. Many do take on a God complex being deceived they are doing everything in the name of Jesus, but have no power or authority from God from such turn away. Spiritual discernment must always come first in what we hear and see.

2Tim 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Tim 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Tim 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Of course it is, we are sheep amongst wolves and when Apostle Paul departed( deceased) the wolves entered the flock not sparing them.( the wolves draw the world to their disciples now, and of course the wolves deny it, as they are in sheeps clothing, but we know them by the abundance of what their evil heart speaks, through their mouth or text on screens.)



Luke 6:45 A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

 

[gordon777]

I can see by your replies you do not believe people can be healed by God and they should not even consider thinking they could be. Am I right in thinking this?

Are you right in assuming again, of course to yourself you are right.

It does not matter how wise you think you are, you just do not have an ability to even ask me a question ( I can answer non stop and you must try to keep asking me repeatedly anyway.)

Here is your answer in the faith of Christ( His guidance directly on your questions to those who had no faith.)




Matthew 6:31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.