hal lindsey

[Hitch]

Good advice.

There's no sin in writing and selling books, even about God.
Everyone in the ministry has a right to earn a living, and who on TV can afford to present the Gospel without income?

I watched Hal Lindsey this morning. He warned of obvious concerns in today's USA, and proclaimed Christ as the only way to heaven.

For me, this type of attack falls lock step with the adage, "Christians are the only army who shoots their wounded."

Don't lose rewards of your own for attacking someone who preaches Christ crucified. He's won many to Christ; how many have you won? I fear you're treading on thin ice and disappointing God. I know the Spirit within me is grieved. No one is perfect. We are forgiven. Don't refuse to extend the forgiveness to Hal Lindsey just as God extends His forgiveness to you.

Will you all be listing your favorite sins so your peers can judge you here equally as "well"? I suppose not. I pray that God will open your hearts and give you guidance so that you may all place that anger towards a worthy goal for Christ's gospel of salvation by grace.

All that emotion and not a single word to defend poor Hal's predictions. LMBO

Is there anything more sickening than these phoney appeals? I want no part of any 'prayers' from anyone like you.:waving

 

[Hitch]

Good advice.

There's no sin in writing and selling books, even about God.
Everyone in the ministry has a right to earn a living, and who on TV can afford to present the Gospel without income?

What you do by implication here is as dishonest as Hal pretending he's not a date setter ,and its not even a good try tsk tsk

I watched Hal Lindsey this morning.

Confession is good for the soul.

He warned of obvious concerns in today's USA, and proclaimed Christ as the only way to heaven.

For me, this type of attack falls lock step with the adage, "Christians are the only army who shoots their wounded."

non sequitur

Don't lose rewards of your own for attacking someone who preaches Christ crucified. He's won many to Christ; how many have you won? I fear you're treading on thin ice and disappointing God. I know the Spirit within me is grieved. No one is perfect. We are forgiven. Don't refuse to extend the forgiveness to Hal Lindsey just as God extends His forgiveness to you.

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Will you all be listing your favorite sins so your peers can judge you here equally as "well"? I suppose not. [/quote] Will you ? Whats really coming through is you complete inability to defend Hal positionally , and getting Hal to a scriptural position should be what you're praying for.

I pray that God will open your hearts and give you guidance so that you may all place that anger towards a worthy goal for Christ's gospel of salvation by grace.

 

[jasoncran]

you know pastor this morning preached on some of the end times things from one thessalonians and and also 1 corinthians and sate date setters are false prophets and that cant be as the lord said no man knoweth the hour. hmm
and he btw is a pre tribber.

i didnt know that about 1948 with hal but i can see that as that would have to be with the fig tree if that was to be isreal , which it cant be.

sigh, for the royal rangers i will go into that when i get to the judgment parts. i will first start with the who or what is a jew then into the names of places in the bible and what har meggido. and what the visions of lord and also what the parables of the vineyard,fig trees and also olive trees.

i wont even go into eschatology to much but at least they can correctly id what the symbols are. please if you do what they all mean.pm me the info so that im correct.

 

[reba]

I'm trying to understand how stating the facts of Lindsey's failed predictions is an attack.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Hal Lindsey prophecies in his book, "The Late Great Planet Earth", that the Soviet Union would be the Empire of the Anti-Christ. Well, the USSR no longer exists and now Hal Lindsey has changed his view. His prophecy did not come true. What does he say about false prophets himself?
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“And Moses gave the answer -- the true test of a prophet: ‘When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken’ (Dueteronomy 18:22).â€
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Hal Lindsey, The Late Great Planet Earth, p. 20[/FONT]

This was true :biglol In Lindsey's own book !

 

[Hitch]

I'm trying to understand how stating the facts of Lindsey's failed predictions is an attack.

Pre-millennialism, especially the pre-tribulation variety, is at its heart liberalism, and the truth is always awkward.

[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Hal Lindsey prophecies in his book, "The Late Great Planet Earth", that the Soviet Union would be the Empire of the Anti-Christ. Well, the USSR no longer exists and now Hal Lindsey has changed his view. His prophecy did not come true. What does he say about false prophets himself?
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]“And Moses gave the answer -- the true test of a prophet: ‘When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken’ (Dueteronomy 18:22).â€
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[FONT=Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Hal Lindsey, The Late Great Planet Earth, p. 20[/FONT]

This was true :biglol In Lindsey's own book !

 

[Hitch]

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.. When I wrote that in LATE GREAT ,the only possible successor to the Roman Empire(in my opinion) was the European Common Market. But a decade ago ( as of 1980, added) that organization had just six member nations, not the 10 of the Bible forecast. In 1979 Greece became the 10th member of the Common Market.
..Thus we have all five pieces of the prophets' scenario for the later days ....and the revived Roman Empire-are fixed in place.

Lindsey 1980s Countdown to Armageddon pg 15,16

As of 1/1/2007 27 nations were members, now thats Hal bashing LOL

 

[handy]

I was having a conversation about my daughter yesterday about discernment. It was more in the realm of deciding when to watch a movie or listen to a song or to shut it off.

I explained to her, best I could, that in reality, everything for us is either black or white...from God's perspective...that it's either good or bad, OK or sinful...but because of sin, we tend to see things in shades of gray and it takes knowing God's standards and then prayerfully applying them to things to be able to discern certain things like when to turn off a movie or the radio.

And, in reality, a lot of what is "interpreted" about the Bible is also shades of gray to us. There is what the Holy Spirit meant when He inspired the writer to write, and then all the other interpretations. So, whatever interpretation about anything, from baptism of infants to when/if the rapture will take place is either correctly understanding the truth the Holy Spirit gave us...or it's wrong. And, it takes discernment to determine things sometimes. Sometimes, it's really hard to sort out something...something like, does God elect us or do we freely choose Him...both ideas have a lot of supporting texts...it can and does get confusing. This is why there are different denominations...because folks have a hard time discerning some truths within the Scriptures. The Scriptures just can be hard to clearly understand at times.

BUT...not when it comes to false prophesies. Even Hal himself put out there that to be a false prophet is a bad thing. So, when one makes a prophesy as unto the Lord...especially when one sells millions of books and makes millions of dollars off of it, and it proves to be false, then said prophet should definitely repent and fade quietly in the background, assured that he is NOT speaking for God.

Lindsey however, just reworked and repackaged his false prophesies. Then, continues to sell them.

I simply cannot fathom why, given what the Bible clearly states about false prophets, we are not to expose them as the wolves in sheep's clothing that they are. Just doesn't make sense to me at all.

This reminds me of my current dilemma with my friend, the one busted for manufacturing and trafficking pot in our area...because he's such a good friend, not to mention employed by us, my mother-in-law just wants to make manufacturing and trafficking pot no big deal. Rather than deal with the fact that someone we thought had good character and trusted is a drug manufacturer and dealer, lets just say that growing and selling pot is all OK...takes care of the problem. Yeah...Right.

 

[reba]

Agreed Handy

When we back, support etc some one and they turn out to be 'off' it makes us look bad, and some cant handle that so they justify.

 

[Gazelle]

off topic !

then you must account without being conspiracy like as gazelle does with the fact that since 1948 earthquake intesnity hasnt really on the average increased, its fluctuated but never real steadily increased.

I'm not sure where YOU went with this, but is is NOT AT ALL all what I said.

 

[freeway]

you know pastor this morning preached on some of the end times things from one thessalonians and and also 1 corinthians and sate date setters are false prophets and that cant be as the lord said no man knoweth the hour. hmm
and he btw is a pre tribber.

i didnt know that about 1948 with hal but i can see that as that would have to be with the fig tree if that was to be isreal , which it cant be.

That is my point exactly "no man know the hour" but if you go the post trib view you can pin it down to the day. 1260 days after the antichrist desecrates the temple. Now pre trib view no man knows the hour of the His return, rapture.. And another thing find out what trump is being blown ie "Last Trump".. You sadly have let yourself be mislead.. simple.. review your.... review

 

[freeway]

As far as Hal nailing down a "date" I have read his books and he gives reference to dates that could fit. Or if countries line up this way or that way this could happen. I think you are only looking to find error in Hal because you just don't like his stance on pre trib and not mid or post.. As far as him claiming himself to be a prophet of God. I heard him saying it in joking.. But I know pre trib believe are not supposed to have a since of humor..
One more thing I've never said Hal was 100% true. Can you name me one Human other than Jesus was 100% .. Modern writer please...

 

[freeway]

Not speaking for Hitch...

Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

The last day

So is the last day, the day of the Lord, or day of the rapture.. the Last trump. and what is the last Trump. A signal for God to come up here " rapture" or is it the last judgment of trumpets then comes the bowls judgment. which you are saying the trumpet judgment then it is not the last day.. Where do we find in the bible the first Trump. because if there is a last then there has to be a first? And why do people get the two trump mixed up anyway.. simple they don't study the scriptures for themself but simply take anothers word for it.. The bible says we are to study the scriptures...

 

[Hitch]

So is the last day, the day of the Lord, or day of the rapture.. the Last trump. and what is the last Trump. A signal for God to come up here " rapture" or is it the last judgment of trumpets then comes the bowls judgment. which you are saying the trumpet judgment then it is not the last day.. Where do we find in the bible the first Trump. because if there is a last then there has to be a first? And why do people get the two trump mixed up anyway.. simple they don't study the scriptures for themself but simply take anothers word for it.. The bible says we are to study the scriptures...

Is it LAST or DAY that you cant understand?

 

[Hitch]

Im just glad we managed to live through the Jupiter Effect.:eeeekkk

That was a close one.

 

[Hitch]

That is my point exactly "no man know the hour" but if you go the post trib view you can pin it down to the day. 1260 days after the antichrist desecrates the temple. Now pre trib view no man knows the hour of the His return, rapture.. And another thing find out what trump is being blown ie "Last Trump".. You sadly have let yourself be mislead.. simple.. review your.... review

Now pre trib view no man knows the hour of the His return, rapture..

You earlier had this to say;Emphasis added

Yes we are in the church age, starting a pentocost. and ending at the rapture.. The Trump of God. then comes 7 yrs of tribulation for non believers and Israel. Then the second coming of our Lord Jesus. Finally the 1000 yr millinuem followed by the great white throne judgments. then eternity.. clear enough..





Well which is it Free? Make up your mind.

 

[reba]

Jesus says last day? My take is He knows what a day is He created them. He is telling us it is the last one.. He is to be the light right? We wont 'need ' days as we know them...

 

[jasoncran]

That is my point exactly "no man know the hour" but if you go the post trib view you can pin it down to the day. 1260 days after the antichrist desecrates the temple. Now pre trib view no man knows the hour of the His return, rapture.. And another thing find out what trump is being blown ie "Last Trump".. You sadly have let yourself be mislead.. simple.. review your.... review

i am not in any means a tribber., i dont buy any seven year period.

then for you i ask this, if said rapture has occured my kin who are jews. get this message then they will the exact date of his return. that present. and his return cant be the rapture as since when in context his final judgement of man allows those he judges to repent?

if one saved then why must one truly pray to be worthy to be raptured? makes no sense.

 

[freeway]

Jesus says last day? My take is He knows what a day is He created them. He is telling us it is the last one.. He is to be the light right? We wont 'need ' days as we know them...

Jesus does know, question is do have it right?

 

[freeway]

jasoncran;586916]i am not in any means a tribber., i dont buy any seven year
period.

Jason just because you choose not to believe in something does not mean its not true.

then for you i ask this, if said rapture has occured my kin who are jews. get this message then they will the exact date of his return. that present. and his
return cant be the rapture as since when in context his final judgement of man
allows those he judges to repent?

jason can you re-ask this question in different wording, I think I know what you are saying but want to make sure.. sorry

if one saved then why must one truly pray to be worthy to be raptured? makes no
sense.

If one is saved "truly saved" they he/she does not have to be praying to be raptured, because Jesus takes His Bride to heaven to the "Father's House" you know "I go to prepare a place for you and come to recieve you to myself. Heaven.
study the wedding of Jewish mand and woman in history.. The groom does not know when his father will blow the Trump and tell his son to go get his bride, which the groom has been working on since the engagment.

 

[freeway]

All that emotion and not a single word to defend poor Hal's predictions. LMBO

Is there anything more sickening than these phoney appeals? I want no part of any 'prayers' from anyone like you.:waving

Wow hitch thanks for keeping it civil...
you can do like strowcrow and put us on your ignore list.. then we woun't have to drudge through your dribble.. :waving :waving