hal lindsey

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Is lying a fruit?

or is it just bad guessing?

 

[Gazelle]

If you call Lindsey a false prophet then I have to assume you do not believe in Christ. You appear to be calling him that because he is a sinner, who claims to be saved by grace through Christ, and he also wins others to Christ.

We are to make stands against false prophets, but with so many obvious ones --not just ones that you happen to disagree on eschatology-- why are you destroying the real ones? Can't you see that bashing real Christians is all the world sees you do? The world needs us to present Christ, and yet you want to take them down because of your own beliefs.

Why not find those who call the Bible trash, and who promote other books that are not the Bible... then when you're all done cleaning them up, work on the poor Christian representatives.

Yes, I'm angry. I choose my battles and I've sat with my hands folded and dismissed most of the foolishness being talked about here at the site. But this I cannot, God will not let me, dismiss.

I agree with the other member who shared... about casting the first stone. Please find the faults of those who don't believe in Christ, and show others why they are false, instead. IMO it would be a much better use of your time. Be well.

 

[jasoncran]

im either thinking he is lying or that poor in exegesis. how does one get the fig tree as isreal is beyond me. i was a hard core tribber and didnt even see that.

 

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I believe H. Lindsey is just guessing, and not a false prophet.

Who has ever picked up Revelation and not speculated on various positions?

I think all of us engage in that. Some engage in print.

I don't recall Hal ever saying 'thus says the Lord' followed by a new quote direct from God. If he did that would be a different matter entirely.

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[jasoncran]

ok? so what of the false teachers as kenneth coppeland that teach christ and have millions are there not christians who listen to him in love and do thing great for christ. i have a dear friend in the lord who believes in the prosperty gospel and i listen to many pretribber pastors.

MY OWN PASTOR IS ONE!. HE LOVES GOD. and i know he is real.i have told me him of my postion and why i came to that. he hasnt condemned him.he doesnt even like lyndsey at all to my knowledge.

 

[handy]

I want to be clear about one thing:

I'm not going to judge either Hal Lindsay or Harold Camping on a personal level...perhaps they are sincerely wrong and that will get sorted out between them and Christ...

However, I do attack their positions as purported preachers and prophets of Christ. They have prophesied incorrectly...not once but several times. This is not something that is unimportant folks. This was something that used to warrant the death penalty, ordered by God Himself.

I hope Lindsey and Camping do indeed find mercy and grace. But, nonetheless we, the Church, should not shrink back from declaring them false prophets and warning people against them, because they both have done a lot of damage to a lot of folk's faith.

 

[reba]

When one see the ridicule the church takes NOT because they proclaim Christ but because the false teaching.. If these guys did not SELL i might consider that they do as mistakes. Money changers in the temple. prophets for profit.


"“And Moses gave the answer -- the true test of a prophet: ‘When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word which the LORD has not spoken’ (Dueteronomy 18:22).”
Hal Lindsey, The Late Great Planet Earth, p. 20


Lindsey's salvation is between him and the Lord. Lindsey and company have made themselves public figures. They chose to put themselves 'out there'. To cover a wound and let if fester is not a good thing... Sweeping his 4 marriages under the carpet is not a good thing.

Tit 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
Does this scripture not apply simple because the one does not use the title bishop? Some folks will say yup one wife at a time......



ADDED: Well said Dora

 

[jasoncran]

there is a member here who has said he would believe in christ if any of the eschotology was found to be true, zinc is an athiest.

so it does matter.

 

[reba]

I believe H. Lindsey is just guessing, and not a false prophet.

Who has ever picked up Revelation and not speculated on various positions?

I think all of us engage in that. Some engage in print.

I don't recall Hal ever saying 'thus says the Lord' followed by a new quote direct from God. If he did that would be a different matter entirely.

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So if a person is very careful of use of wording what ever they imply is ok? Not for me dont forget the money angle Lindsey did not give his books away he sold em.

 

[reba]

Shame on the profits who seek to destroy His kingdom with their greed.

 

[jasoncran]

speculation is one thing, but selling them books is another.

how does on say that the ac will come in 1988 and not by the bible say that it so with verses to back it up?

 

[handy]

Yes, the money certainly makes things a lot worse, because it causes to happen exactly what Peter warns us will happen:

Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned;

It's been awhile since Lindsey has been in the forefront of the media (but boy do I remember when he was, after 1988 came and went) but we can also look at Camping because Camping is cut from basically the same cloth and both of them do damage the Church and the cause of Christ.

Here is just a sampling of the result of Camping's latest false prophesy. These are just culled from folks responding to various news articles posted on the Web:

I'm still not sure who is more sick - the leaders like Camping or the followers who don't bother to use any critical analysis.

But I'll bet he will be there to pass out the collection plate. His poor followers are being duped and I think it is against the law for anyone to help them.

Yeah, usually when somebody's mental train derails, it's a sure sign that it's cuckoo nest time. Why this guy is still out and about, I'll never know. You'd think they'd at least be able to bust him for swindling his followers or something.

One person wrote:
no man knows the day or hour of Christs return. not even the angels .. how can this guy .. he is all messed up theologically.

To which another replied:
One might argue that "theology" itself is "messed up."

Person A: Camping should be in prison for fraud or in an insane asylum. He's either a crook or a nut.
Person B: Naw he's just religious.
Person C: so the answer is, "both."

Just read that the daughter is selling off the more expensive stations and just bought two smaller stations out west. I can hear it now, old Harold trundles off this mortal coil. The daughter then says, it wasn't the end of the world, Harold mistook god calling him home !!! Keep those dollars and euros flowing in, we need these to keep playing that good ole time religion for you.

Keep Predicting. Sooner or later you'll be right. In the meantime, enjoy all the money your suckers sent you.

I won't post some of the more angry and profane comments.

Here's the thing...now go to any one of these people, for each of these comments are made by people out in the world, souls that are in need of a Savior, and preach the Gospel to them? Then you'll see the real damage that false prophets like Camping and Lindsey do when they make their false prophesies in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[Stormcrow]

Hal Lindsey is the reason why I rarely get into discussions regarding eschatology. Like so many other young kids in the '70's, I was truly frightened by Lindsey...I really did think that he had it all figured out. Then, I began to see both him and Harold Camping go down the same path and make the same kinds of mistakes.

As of now, I honestly cannot see why any Christian gives him any sort of credibility. Do people not remember that at one time God required that any prophet who spoke in the name of the Lord and was wrong was put to death? Not that I want to stone Lindsey or Camping...but we should at least realize the magnitude of their sin before God and not listen to them anymore.

But the real issue isn't these men, though they certainly have problems (just like the rest of us). It's the eschatology they teach.

Many, many otherwise good and sensible people have been led into believing this doctrine that points to Israel as the focal point of the coming "end times", when the truth is that God put aside the Law of Moses in 70 AD with the destruction of the Temple. God was also finished with national Israel when He took the kingdom away from it at the same time with the destruction of Jerusalem and the final diaspora of its people.

Now here's where the doctrine of Lindsey and Camping runs afoul of the Bible. Even when the disciples asked if the kingdom would be restored to Israel at that time, Christ told them it was not for them to know the times or ages! (Acts 1:6-8).

If Christ Himself would not tell the men closest to Him during His earthly ministry whether the kingdom of God would be restored to Israel, what makes people like Lindsey and Camping believe they've figured it out?

Finally, when it's clear from any contextual reading of the parable of the fig tree that it points to the signs of Jerusalem's destruction - not its restoration - then these men clearly have a doctrine based completely in error, not in truth.

One error may be forgiven or even excused. But to continually repeat the same error over and over again and do so while leading others into it goes way beyond the definition of error. Call it cult-like. Call it heresy. It's not error anymore.

 

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But the real issue isn't these men, though they certainly have problems (just like the rest of us). It's the eschatology they teach.

Many, many otherwise good and sensible people have been led into believing this doctrine that points to Israel as the focal point of the coming "end times", when the truth is that God put aside the Law of Moses in 70 AD with the destruction of the Temple. God was also finished with national Israel when He took the kingdom away from it at the same time with the destruction of Jerusalem and the final diaspora of its people.

And that would be your opinion, which is very contrary to clear Apostolic teachings essentially opposite of your stated conclusions.

Now here's where the doctrine of Lindsey and Camping runs afoul of the Bible. Even when the disciples asked if the kingdom would be restored to Israel at that time, Christ told them it was not for them to know the times or ages! (Acts 1:6-8).

Christ clearly foretold of the destruction of the temple. One might have even been able to divide that fact by observing Israel was already a captive of Roman occupation, many Jews even being Roman citizens, such as Paul.

If Christ Himself would not tell the men closest to Him during His earthly ministry whether the kingdom of God would be restored to Israel, what makes people like Lindsey and Camping believe they've figured it out?

Finally, when it's clear from any contextual reading of the parable of the fig tree that it points to the signs of Jerusalem's destruction - not its restoration - then these men clearly have a doctrine based completely in error, not in truth.

The fig tree is clearly a parable. Parables are difficult to crack. That is why Christ used same.

In any case I believe Mr. Linsey to be entitled to his own speculations and more importantly, book sales.

One error may be forgiven or even excused. But to continually repeat the same error over and over again and do so while leading others into it goes way beyond the definition of error. Call it cult-like. Call it heresy. It's not error anymore.

One might start by the fact that all err. Err is sin. There is even a spirit associated with error.

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

People who eliminate ANY of Gods Words or the words of His Apostles on any basis are simply not of God and are of the spirit of error.

It's a common spirit, the spirit of error. It's actually one of the first anti-spiritual encounters with all believers. Even Paul saw only in part. In that admittance Paul had hold of a truthful scriptural fact.

That's part of the deal with fruit, particularly of the fig kind. It's dark on the inside.

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[jasoncran]

om that verse in matthew 24 alludes to mostly ad 70. why then in modern isreal will it be so hard to travel under the shabat? most jews here and i will ask if i have the time. dont follow the shabat like that.

 

[reba]

Hal Lindsey, Ellen g White what is the difference? At least Hal knows how to make a buck .

 

[jasoncran]

eg white. ouch, well not to derail this but uh some say that modern young earth creationism comes from her. i cant confirm or deny that but that is another topic.

 

[reba]

Many of the same folks who would decry her writings wil hail Lindsey's.

But eg white would be another whole topic... right JASON you would never hijack a thread....

The ridicule these guys have brought to the church is a crime or should be.

Lindsey Hinn Bakker Swaggert O well some times i am shamed by my background

 

[Stormcrow]

And that would be your opinion, which is very contrary to clear Apostolic teachings essentially opposite of your stated conclusions.

Read the book of Hebrews again and then tell me "apostolic teachings oppose" my "stated conclusions."

It's nice to see that you continue to err on the side of folks like Lindsey and Camping, though. At least you're consistent.

 

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Read the book of Hebrews again and then tell me "apostolic teachings oppose" my "stated conclusions."

Scriptures were always meant to be reflections of thoughts and intents of the hearts. It is logically unlikely that any two reflections are going to be the same.

It's nice to see that you continue to err on the side of folks like Lindsey and Camping, though. At least you're consistent.

They are going to reflect and like you are entitled to their personal opinions. For the record I agree with neither of them so no cheap shots please.

I have my hands full with my own reflections.

enjoy!

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