Happy Sabbath

[Sparkey]

not too good at talking about the Word and not looking to the source

You are very welcome to discuss the Word of God here. That goes without saying. The objection comes when one person asserts his/her own opinion about the meaning behind the Truth if the Scripture as more authoritative than another Member's thought. That is no longer general talk and crosses over the threshold into debate. Teaching the finer points of the Word of God is the job that belongs to The Spirit Holy, being The Teacher and all.

I like this conversation because it does touch on cessation of works (resting). There is no burden that is solely upon one man to reveal what he thinks is absolute and inviolate truth. "My burden is light..."

It is my prayer that He lead us and shows all that He will reveal and that our ears are made ready to listen and hear Him. So often we fall into the old "he said, she said" position. So yes, speak of the Word of God and Yes, look to the source who is God and who also teaches us to honor and bring honor to others even above that which we afford ourselves. That's all good.

 

[George Muller]

The objection comes when one person asserts his/her own opinion about the meaning behind the Truth if the Scripture as more authoritative than another Members thought. That is no longer general talk and crosses over the threshold into debate.

Not sure I understand how one could present the scriptures they believe to be true, and it not conflict in some way with another persons beliefs or thoughts, unless we all agreed on the issue? Just as your opinion concerning the Holy Spirits position would suggest that you have some knowledge about how the Holy Spirit teaches, that others need to submit to? Because somehow I need to be taught by the Holy Spirit "What He has revealed" ?? Do you not see that you just used the Holy Spirit to suggest your opinion is above my understanding and that I lack the ability to teach the "finer points"? No, I think I better get out of your way and let your opinions be those of the Holy Spirit.

 

[Sparkey]

Do you not see...

No, I do not see that. What I do see is an antagonism that is undeserved. Knock it off.
I'm not above calling other Moderators in to resolve the problem that you seem to have with me.

 

[Sparkey]

You are not hearing me. Stop now. Cease this and desist. Do not pick it up again.

Signed,
Your Staff AND Moderator

 

[evenifigoalone]

Hey guys,
This section isn't really geared toward debate in the strictest sense of the word, that's more for the apologetics & theology section. Please keep this in mind.
If someone doesn't want to discuss the subject any further, they are under no obligation to do so.
Lastly, please note that any problems with another member should be dealt with through private messaging, not on the public forums.

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

It is a violation to misquote or misrepresent another member.

Any personal problems with another member, then deal with it through private messages. No harassing members via PM. No public posting of PMs. Publicly announcing who is on a member's Ignore list is prohibited.
Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.

Thanks :)

 

[jasoncran]

no he says that jesus didn't change the torah for isreal.

Really, where is that?

JLB

well then I guess jesus didn't quote moses. show me where moses said thou shalt hate thine enemy? that the jews didn't know nor understand that the heart per jeramiah wasn't evil. or that the coveting thoughts aren't in the mind first then go to actions.

jesus never really said nor taught something that was in the torah. oh yeah the nt doesn't need the ot to get taught.torah defines sin.now then show me in the bible where paul says its a sin to circumcise or do the shabat?

what was changed is the means of atonement, kosher laws being necessary. but not the sins that God always hated.the feast being symbolic and a shadow of Christ doesn't mean that a jew once saved cant do them.save the parts where atonement via animal sacrifice, but this is the diaspora and jews don't do that.therefore its free for a jew or a gentile to partake in!

have a nice day.

 

[JLB]

no he says that jesus didn't change the torah for isreal.

Really, where is that?

JLB

well then I guess jesus didn't quote moses. show me where moses said thou shalt hate thine enemy? that the jews didn't know nor understand that the heart per jeramiah wasn't evil. or that the coveting thoughts aren't in the mind first then go to actions.

jesus never really said nor taught something that was in the torah. oh yeah the nt doesn't need the ot to get taught.torah defines sin.now then show me in the bible where paul says its a sin to circumcise or do the shabat?

what was changed is the means of atonement, kosher laws being necessary. but not the sins that God always hated.the feast being symbolic and a shadow of Christ doesn't mean that a jew once saved cant do them.save the parts where atonement via animal sacrifice, but this is the diaspora and jews don't do that.therefore its free for a jew or a gentile to partake in!

have a nice day.

I was hoping that you show me the scripture that states that jesus didn't change the torah for isreal.

If it exists?


JLB

 

[jasoncran]

ok, well what did he change then so that we cant do the feasts? since you errantely assume ryan is putting you under the law? you see you are telling him he cant., when neither paul nor any writer in the nt said that one cant do the feasts. well john and peter went into the temple to pray. why would they do that then if it was a sin?

 

[reba]

Hey guys,
This section isn't really geared toward debate in the strictest sense of the word, that's more for the apologetics & theology section. Please keep this in mind.
If someone doesn't want to discuss the subject any further, they are under no obligation to do so.
Lastly, please note that any problems with another member should be dealt with through private messaging, not on the public forums.

2.5: Respect each others' opinions. Address issues, not persons or personalities. Give other members the respect you would want them to give yourself.

It is a violation to misquote or misrepresent another member.

Any personal problems with another member, then deal with it through private messages. No harassing members via PM. No public posting of PMs. Publicly announcing who is on a member's Ignore list is prohibited.
Respect where others are in their spiritual walk, do not disrupt the flow of discussion or act in a way that affects others negatively including when debating doctrinal issues, in the defense of the Christian faith, and in offering unwelcome spiritual advice.

Thanks :)

Moderator