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Have you ever noticed how western atheists/leftists support Islam but...

Not all atheists vote left of centre.
Not all conservatives are Christian.
Not all atheists like Islam.
Not all atheists hate Christianity.

Just getting a few assumed generalisations out of the road.
 
ezrider said:
I don't think they despise Christianity. They despise the overt hypocrisy of Christians.
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No, they despise Christianity. The reason that western leftists support Islam is that both western leftists and Muslims are opposed to Christ. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hence, the marriage of western leftists to Islam, who are both influenced by Satan to serve him.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
No, they despise Christianity. The reason that western leftists support Islam is that both western leftists and Muslims are opposed to Christ. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Hence, the marriage of western leftists to Islam, who are both influenced by Satan to serve him.
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I think the main problem with this statement is that its a solution first, evidence second stance.

What is support in this situation? Who are "They"?
 
EvolvingChristian said:
I think it's safe to say that you have rejected the faith if you believe that it's ok to kill the preborn.
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I think it's quite dangerous actually, according to the Terms of Service:

1.4 Do not misquote or misrepresent another member. Do not state a negative opinion about a member's denomination, leaders, founders, or the veracity of a member's faith.
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If you say that a person who supports abortion cannot be Christian, or that they have believed some Satanic ideas, I think you are probably going to have a hard time convincing anyone that you aren't making a negative statement about someone who believes themselves to be Christian and who supports abortion.

... Unless you are able to show that anyone who supports abortion has disqualified themselves from the criteria of being Christian... because, you'll probably be falling short of the ToS 1.4.

It all comes down to how you define the meaning of "Christian", and as long as there's a plethora of different ideas about what that means, you're always going to be at risk when you are trying to argue that someone isn't Christian when they claim that they are (depending on who is adjudicating, of course).

That's why they developed creeds, as a way of patching up the divisions where the unity doesn't exist by nature, so that they can all present themselves as a unified front under the umbrella term "Christianity" while still being able to do whatever they want to do as long as they don't talk religion at the table together :lol:lol:lol

So it sounds to me like you've probably not known that the ToS includes that rule, and the moderators are aware of the fact that most members don't read the Terms of Service, so I would advise you to check the whole Terms of Service right away, and make sure that you have understood them. If you think you might have said something differently if you had know that it was against the rules to speak negatively about another person's denomination, then you should try and edit the post and say it in a bit of a better way, or if it's already too late to change the words then you can ask for the staff to help you with that because they have the permission to alter posts after the 30 minutes grace time :)

I think it's safer to ask questions of another person that leads them to show through their answers that what they believe is not consistent with what the scriptures teach, instead of saying flat out that what they are believing is against what the scriptures teach.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
...despise Christianity? Why do you suppose that is? I have my own idea but I'm curious if you have ever thought about this as well as your thoughts.
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Can you give examples? It's hard to give such absolutely generally correct answers, but if we can analyze some examples then maybe we can identify some solid conclusions, and maybe even find a pattern :)
 
Serving Zion said:
Can you give examples? It's hard to give such absolutely generally correct answers, but if we can analyze some examples then maybe we can identify some solid conclusions, and maybe even find a pattern :)
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I believe he did in post #(4). Muslims and atheist's are opposed to Christ. Thus the great enemy of Christianity, satan, will use both of them against us. And once the political arena is taken over with these views, Islam and atheism, you can expect persecution of the Church.

Quantrill
 
Quantrill said:
I believe he did in post #(4). Muslims and atheist's are opposed to Christ. Thus the great enemy of Christianity, satan, will use both of them against us. And once the political arena is taken over with these views, Islam and atheism, you can expect persecution of the Church.

Quantrill
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Those aren't examples, those are generalised ideas. Examples would include facts such as names and statements of people who have said things that shows that they are either leftist or atheist and that they support Islam and despise Christianity. Post #4 contains none of that information, but it is information that I would need to look at in order to give a reliable opinion as to the reasons why his theory is observably true. I don't do well once we begin to discuss hypotheticals, because it ventures into the realm of the devil by the imagining of things that aren't of the truth (John 8:44c). Therefore I really have to insist only to deal with solid facts that we can be sure to derive robust truth from.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
For me it's like this. I see something and I'm asking if you see it too. When you say that you cannot see it, there's nothing more that I can do. I'm reminded of 2 Corinthians 4:4.
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And we ask you to think more deeply. Or with more discipline and structure. Otherwise your generalisations are invalid.
 
Some people find it disturbing that 17.4 percent of property solely belong to women where 19.2 percent solely belong to men.
 
EvolvingChristian said:
...despise Christianity? Why do you suppose that is? I have my own idea but I'm curious if you have ever thought about this as well as your thoughts.
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Might I make a suggestion to your OP. Topics like this usually aren't the best as what it brings out are the hate mongers towards atheist and Muslims, where as a Christian we need to be praying for our enemies as we witness Christ to them. It's a big world out there full of anger and hate towards one another and it's only going to get worse. We who are a child of God need to let the light of Christ shine out from us as we walk in love and not hatred towards those who want to oppress us.

Just something to think about when you start new threads.
God bless.
 
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