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jasonc said:
im not talking about hyper grace but eternal security. if one is to understand one side of the other at least know the arguments. eternal security teaches that one is holy at the repentance and being made holy by the process of time , in that the old man is fading as the new man is shining through. this process is called sanctification and the first step is justification.
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You must have missed the article Willie posted because THAT is talking about hyper grace.
 
Willie T said:
You had better HOPE it is. Grace is not a thing less than totally hyper... Thank God!

Please stop letting people entice you with cute little "catch" words, making you think they have found something sinister.. Everything about Jesus is completely HYPER. Merriam-Webster can help you out here.
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Hyper grace is a false doctrine that is leading 1,000's of people to hell.
 
jasonc said:
in Ezekiel its mentioned that a man can turn from his sins and He will not be held to those old sins and the reverse can apply to.
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You should post the scripture and explain how it ties in with the death of Jesus and what He accomplished at the cross.
 
Gary said:
You should post the scripture and explain how it ties in with the death of Jesus and what He accomplished at the cross.
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that is a statement about the wickedness of isreal and how they scoffed at God for his decisions to judge them.
 
Jesse said:
All I'm saying is that sin matters and so does obedience.

If we aren't supposed to repent of our sins, then why even mention it in the Bible, they should have left that part out.
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Again..... the meaning of "repent" is not moan and wail and feel sorry. It means to change your mind about wanting to chase after a sinful life.... and you have already done that. Unless, of course, you have changed your mind back to thinking sin is the way to go. But I don't think you have.
 
Jesse said:
You must have missed the article Willie posted because THAT is talking about hyper grace.
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that? that isn't hyper grace. that is simple basic argument and apologetic for eternal security. you cant take just one teaching on that and assume they teach it that way. I used to by osas, I know what they teach. its that we are holy and we cant undo that. we can sin and we must repent but that sin nature will always be , if god has saved us he will finish the work he started , he will change us from glory to glory. its up to him.

if you have a besetting sin problem, that is a very comforting message. it doesn't mean that those that have that problem don't need to be healed just that well no person will die sinless and free from sin strongholds.
 
jasonc said:
that? that isn't hyper grace. that is simple basic argument and apologetic for eternal security. you cant take just one teaching on that and assume they teach it that way. I used to by osas, I know what they teach. its that we are holy and we cant undo that. we can sin and we must repent but that sin nature will always be , if god has saved us he will finish the work he started , he will change us from glory to glory. its up to him.

if you have a besetting sin problem, that is a very comforting message. it doesn't mean that those that have that problem don't need to be healed just that well no person will die sinless and free from sin strongholds.
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When a person tells me that all future sin is forgiven - without repentance - it is saying that our behavior does not matter - obedience does not matter - that God can not see any of our sins because they are already forgiven - then yes, that IS hyper grace.

If we sin, God sees it.

All of this is what the Bible says - yet people accuse me of false teaching? Then I guess Paul was, too and James and Peter and John.......and Jesus.
 
Jesse said:
When a person tells me that all future sin is forgiven - without repentance - it is saying that our behavior does not matter - obedience does not matter - that God can not see any of our sins because they are already forgiven - then yes, that IS hyper grace.

If we sin, God sees it.

All of this is what the Bible says - yet people accuse me of false teaching? Then I guess Paul was, too and James and Peter and John.......and Jesus.
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god doesn't ignore sin, he does deal with it, its called CHASTITESMENT. meaning YOU suffer the consequences of your sin and you repent. he doesn't hold it to you, I don't even agree with the argument of osas, just stating what they teach and commenting that you appear to be a legalist. how many sins do you repent daily? if you curse a fellow saint and have hate in your heart , do you automatically repent? propably not, anger and stubbornness are our speciality. if you were to die in that state, hell would be your home.any unforgiven sin has that issue for you if you take it that way.

do you pray to be saved daily? that is what you are saying.
 
I think it is time to start a forum called Returning to the Cross. Explaining - The Purpose of the Cross, The Power of the Cross, The Accomplishments of the Cross, and The Message of the Cross.
 
Ok, Jesse..... is there some sort of hypo grace you would like to have given to us... something weak and anemic? Come on, Man, we are talking about a POWER that can raise us from the dead... DEAD... that is hyper grace, and it is so marvelous and overwhelming that is almost impossible to comprehend.

And you are going to say that His death did little more than just clean off our slate up to the moment we got wet, and then God started marking down every misstep we made, just hoping we wouldn't do a proper job of "repenting" so He would get a chance to undo what Jesus did, and fry us?
 
jesse, listen to pastor Adrian rogers at lwf.org.

he will sooner or later hit this topic. he is very much into holiness, hellfire and brimstone and mercy and grace.
 
iLOVE said:
I think it is time to start a forum called Returning to the Cross. Explaining - The Purpose of the Cross, The Power of the Cross, The Accomplishments of the Cross, and The Message of the Cross.
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AMEN.... to the 100th power!
 
jasonc said:
god doesn't ignore sin, he does deal with it, its called CHASTITESMENT. meaning YOU suffer the consequences of your sin and you repent. he doesn't hold it to you, I don't even agree with the argument of osas, just stating what they teach and commenting that you appear to be a legalist. how many sins do you repent daily? if you curse a fellow saint and have hate in your heart , do you automatically repent? propably not, anger and stubbornness are our speciality. if you were to die in that state, hell would be your home.any unforgiven sin has that issue for you if you take it that way.

do you pray to be saved daily? that is what you are saying.
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No, that is not what I am saying and of course I do not ask to be saved again and again. My entire point is that sin in our lives DOES matter and is NOT shoved under a carpet somewhere.

Yet, I am glad that you finally have admitted that sin matters - because no one else in this thread seems to think so - except for Gary. Yes, God disciplines those He loves, we are chastised when we do sin, He is also faithful when we turn from our sin and then He remembers our sin no more.

It is the admitting we are wrong part that the others here have taken out of their Bibles and ignored. We must admit we are wrong and turn from the sin - otherwise there is NO spiritual growth.

What I am reading from others in this thread looks nothing like what the Bible says about sin because sin DOES matter!
 
iLOVE said:
I think it is time to start a forum called Returning to the Cross. Explaining - The Purpose of the Cross, The Power of the Cross, The Accomplishments of the Cross, and The Message of the Cross.
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Why so you can tell us that our sins today don't matter? That we can just go on and not admit and repent of them? So you can tell is that obedience doesn't matter either?

No thanks.
 
Jesse said:
No, that is not what I am saying and of course I do not ask to be saved again and again. My entire point is that sin in our lives DOES matter and is NOT shoved under a carpet somewhere.

Yet, I am glad that you finally have admitted that sin matters - because no one else in this thread seems to think so - except for Gary. Yes, God disciplines those He loves, we are chastised when we do sin, He is also faithful when we turn from our sin and then He remembers our sin no more.

It is the admitting we are wrong part that the others here have taken out of their Bibles and ignored. We must admit we are wrong and turn from the sin - otherwise there is NO spiritual growth.

What I am reading from others in this thread looks nothing like what the Bible says about sin because sin DOES matter!
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I haven't said anything about much on my position on osas, only that what is really called eternal security is or is not.
 
for the record I am anti-osas. I haven't decided to derail the thread on that, since we have a lot of those to go to. so why bother?
 
The discussion at hand is not even speaking of OSAS vs NOSAS. It's speaking of how God sees our sin - He doesn't ignore it.
 
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