He is a pure God and we must be pure.

[reba]

Classisk,

I read your posts as a salvation of your works? Your prayers, Your justification etc


Is that the message you wish to portray?

 

[Classik]

WOAH!! So we're in his Grace one moment and out when we stumble???

Classic, I hope you don't thing we're (I'm) labeling you as a heretic. I feel your heart for the Lord. But, I really think this way of thinking is to not be living as a Forgiven child of God. We are not so easily taken in and out of salvation.

I heard a sermon the other day by David Jeremiah about a foreign prison that was run by Christians. They had a room that had been used for the torture of inmates. He toured this prison. When they got to the room that was once used for torture, the guard asked if he really wanted to see inside. He said there was one person who now lived in it. David said, "yes". When they opened the steel door, there was no one there but Jesus. He did it ALL, and we cannot live under the pretense that we ought to constantly reject that sacrifice.

We do not move out of salvation with each sin. God does not hold that threat over our necks. No, we don't use this as an excuse to sin all the more. Rather, we strive (as Paul said) to become more like him. :yes

Mike, have you ever read Mathew 5? See these verses - Christ can't contradict Himself:

23 ¡°Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.


What did Christ teach his disciple to pray?
Mathew 6:9¨C13

"Our Father in heaven,

hallowed be your name.

Your kingdom come,

your will be done,

on earth as it is in heaven.

Give us this day our daily bread,

and forgive us our debts,

as we also have forgiven our debtors.

And lead us not into temptation,but deliver us from evil."

why was the TRESPASS offering necessary in the Old Testament?

2Chronicles 7:14
If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


Do you mean that I am still pure if I sleep with a man today and tomorrow I go to church and take communion?

Can I even mount the pullpit and preach - and yet the Spirit of God claps for me that I am the child of God?

2Timothy2

19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: ¡°The Lord knows those who are His,¡± and, ¡°Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.¡±

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor.
21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.

Finally, why was Nicodemous' repentance important to Christ? Was he not a teacher?

Why do we have the Spirit of God in us?

 

[WIP]

I often wonder if our thought process is backwards. Do we turn and ask God for forgiveness when we sin in order to get forgiven?.......or........Do we do it because we have been forgiven?

 

[Classik]

Classisk,

I read your posts as a salvation of your works? Your prayers, Your justification etc


Is that the message you wish to portray?

...Of Christ's. And when we sin against Him we Simply go back to Him in prayers

 

[Classik]

I often wonder if our thought process is backwards. Do we turn and ask God for forgiveness when we sin in order to get forgiven?.......or........Do we do it because we have been forgiven?

Thanks to your signature.

 

[Mike]

Classic, I just want to be sure I'm getting your position right. You do believe we sin because of the the flesh, right? I mean, you don't believe you're sinless, right?[

If then you believe this, is it your contention that a believer has eternal salvation and then he does NOT until he confesses that specific sin? So in your line of reasoning, I could have eternal salvation, have a lustful thought, get hit by a car, and then lose my eternal salvation? Because I didn't consciously ask for forgiveness for this one sin? If this is something you'd agree with... I'm speechless. You're in an extreme, fringe group of believers. That is not the Gospel. You are preaching a different gospel from orthodox Christianity.

 

[jasoncran]

WOAH!! So we're in his Grace one moment and out when we stumble???

Classic, I hope you don't thing we're (I'm) labeling you as a heretic. I feel your heart for the Lord. But, I really think this way of thinking is to not be living as a Forgiven child of God. We are not so easily taken in and out of salvation.

I heard a sermon the other day by David Jeremiah about a foreign prison that was run by Christians. They had a room that had been used for the torture of inmates. He toured this prison. When they got to the room that was once used for torture, the guard asked if he really wanted to see inside. He said there was one person who now lived in it. David said, "yes". When they opened the steel door, there was no one there but Jesus. He did it ALL, and we cannot live under the pretense that we ought to constantly reject that sacrifice.

We do not move out of salvation with each sin. God does not hold that threat over our necks. No, we don't use this as an excuse to sin all the more. Rather, we strive (as Paul said) to become more like him. :yes

i listened to that as well. well if what classic said is the case how can that man that paul said turn over to satan so that his spirit may be saved ever come back?

God lets us sin and when it has run its course we will run back to mercy. he does that to chastise us. if that isnt happening then one isnt saved

 

[reba]

Classisk,

I read your posts as a salvation of your works? Your prayers, Your justification etc


Is that the message you wish to portray?

your reply...Of Christ's. And when we sin against Him we Simply go back to Him in prayers

Asking again
I doubt we are on the same page. Do you wish me to understand your salvation is a salvation of your works? That is a straight question can i please have a straight answer? It is OK to not agree....

 

[Elijah674]

If God requires purity, then He must have a Law, huh. 1 John 3:4

 

[childeye]

Those who are pure need no law, as scripture says the law is for sinners. Shall God make laws for Himself who is Holy, to follow?

 

[Classik]

Classic, I just want to be sure I'm getting your position right. You do believe we sin because of the the flesh, right? I mean, you don't believe you're sinless, right?

Yep

If then you believe this, is it your contention that a believer has eternal salvation and then he does NOT until he confesses that specific sin? So in your line of reasoning, I could have eternal salvation, have a lustful thought, get hit by a car, and then lose my eternal salvation? Because I didn't consciously ask for forgiveness for this one sin?

Why should we lust in the first place? Why should I want to sleep with that man? The second look is usually what determines our real intend. We are still in the flesh, I know, and the grace is Before us! Sure! When I put that thought in practice (and deliberately satisfy my desire) am I still the friend of God? Do I need to carry that sin about! I usually have a guilty conscious for one sin - maybe others don't. If the grace condones sin...then I'd deliberately carry out one. king David confessed all sins and never repeated them. Do not say it is Old Testament.

If this is something you'd agree with... I'm speechless. You're in an extreme, fringe group of believers. That is not the Gospel. You are preaching a different gospel from orthodox Christianity.

It works for me! I keep confessing, not willingly sinning! It is not that the grace has been messed up neither has the Blood lost its efficacy! I believe that Simply 'I am sorry, Lord' removes our guilt.

 

[Classik]

your reply...Of Christ's. And when we sin against Him we Simply go back to Him in prayers

Asking again
I doubt we are on the same page. Do you wish me to understand your salvation is a salvation of your works?

My salvation is that of Christ's work.

 

[Classik]

Those who are pure need no law, as scripture says the law is for sinners. Shall God make laws for Himself who is Holy, to follow?

purity = being blamelessnes in the sight of God - as a result of John3:16. can I still pull a trigger and and yet appear blameless in the sight of God! To some, it is no offence! To me, I Simply kneel!

 

[childeye]

purity = being blamelessnes in the sight of God - as a result of John3:16. can I still pull a trigger and and yet appear blameless in the sight of God! To some, it is no offence! To me, I Simply kneel!

We condemn ourselves even as we condmen so I think the reason for pulling a trigger is contingent upon "why" as to be condemned for pulling it or not pulling it.
I'm not sure what you mean by kneeling. Are you saying you would just kneel and take the bullet?

 

[Classik]

Are you saying you would just kneel and take the bullet?

You have succeeded in giving me a guffaw! Hahahahaha! I just woke up my little niece! Time to get her back to sleep!
I Simply kneel to pray for forgiveness for that sin - and not that I'd consciously sin!

And for another (as the thread seems to suggest) he could Simply walk away thinking he never offended God - or thinking it is not necessary to ask for forgiveness.

Over to my niece shaken out of her sleep by my guffaw!

 

[Classik]

There is no diehard in Simply kneeling before the Lord in confession when we sin. I am not Catholic in the first place! They don't miss 'confession'.

How do we feel when our children err and do nothing about it? If they come to us and say: mom, forgive, are we not happier!

Honestly, there is no big deal in asking for His forgiveness when we sin. The Blood and Grace should not be taken for granted!

This kid has refused to sleep. And thanks to childeye. .lol

 

[Elijah674]

Those who are pure need no law, as scripture says the law is for sinners. Shall God make laws for Himself who is Holy, to follow?

Read that to us in bottom/line! If we say that we have NO SIN WE ARE LIARS! I do agree with your claim for your post for what you just posted about yourself. And 1 John 3:4 which is still there in the NT has found you in need of prayer. But prayer for what? Sin!

And then you say that we all sin!???? And we 'j'ust pray again for forgiveness. Again gal, you [post] out of both sides of your mouth.

And another thing, when one keeps doing this same [[SIN]] over & over again, & again! it gets easier & easier to do until the Holy Spirit just can not reach the person 'IN' their sin, and it is viewed as NO SIN before long, or as you say out of one side of your posting mouth.. [AS PURE].

(promising of Liberty!? 2 Peter 2:19.. but read from verse 17-22)

You best go back and read Matt. 7 for how ALL these these one told Christ the same as you are doing. Even with some addional words of doing this in Jesus Name! And then see what He tells them!

It is interesting to find most all of this stuff from the Heb. 6:1-6 ones over the years who had at one time even been [Made Partakers of the Holy Ghost] & then finally REFUSING NEW TRUTH (Rom. 8:14 of being 'LED' on of Him + Hosea 4:6 & the last day light of Dan. 12:1-4) over & over again until they had become unreachable by Him, and most of these toss out ALL THE the law of God because of the Godheads forth 7th Day Sabbath Commandment!

And regardless of what Command is knowingly broken, they ARE IN REBELLION of ALL Their Eternal Law! James 2:10 And still crying out to 'man' I love you Lord, as did the ones of Matt. 7! But they were not fooling God!

--Elijah

 

[Mike]

There is no diehard in Simply kneeling before the Lord in confession when we sin. I am not Catholic in the first place! They don't miss 'confession'.

How do we feel when our children err and do nothing about it? If they come to us and say: mom, forgive, are we not happier!

Honestly, there is no big deal in asking for His forgiveness when we sin. The Blood and Grace should not be taken for granted!

This kid has refused to sleep. And thanks to childeye. .lol

Analogies to the relationship between father & son are interesting but always inadequate to describing our relationship with the Lord. It seems to me, you are the one taking His Blood for granted. If you don't see the full redemptive power of this Blood, you are devaluing it. It was once for all sins for all time for all who come to place their faith in Him.

It seems you are avoiding answering 2 questions, or perhaps you honestly glossed over them in your responses.

1. Do we move in & out of eternal salvation every day, depending on when we pray forgiveness for specific sins?
2. So in your line of reasoning, I could have eternal salvation, have a lustful thought, get hit by a car, and then lose my eternal salvation? Because I didn't consciously ask for forgiveness for this one sin?

You've discussed these, but you've never given a direct answer. I'm not badgering you. I'm honestly looking for clarification. please don't make this adversarial by creating a game where you don't answer them. I'm sure neither of us want that.

 

[Danus]

Is our salvation dependent on us reconciling our last sin before we pass? Does a person who dies in his sleep (after asking for forgiveness) stand a better chance of "making Heaven" than the person in the car wreck?

We got a lot of tap dancers in the Christian faith, and since I'm not good at dancing I'll just answer the question NO and NO.

 

[Classik]

Analogies to the relationship between father & son are interesting but always inadequate to describing our relationship with the Lord. It seems to me, you are the one taking His Blood for granted. If you don't see the full redemptive power of this Blood, you are devaluing it. It was once for all sins for all time for all who come to place their faith in Him.

It seems you are avoiding answering 2 questions, or perhaps you honestly glossed over them in your responses.

1. Do we move in & out of eternal salvation every day, depending on when we pray forgiveness for specific sins?
2. So in your line of reasoning, I could have eternal salvation, have a lustful thought, get hit by a car, and then lose my eternal salvation? Because I didn't consciously ask for forgiveness for this one sin?

You've discussed these, but you've never given a direct answer. I'm not badgering you. I'm honestly looking for clarification. please don't make this adversarial by creating a game where you don't answer them. I'm sure neither of us want that.

I was busy with other stuff. Besides I was trying to send my niece to sleep! She has turned the whole house upside down. I just got a miracle: the mother just entered and took her away! My heartattack is gone!

Back to the question!

I do scan at times, and it is not quite easy reading all translation for clearer understanding!
Christ is that salvation and He did it ones. He did it on the cross. When I sin against God I lose the efficacy of the blood. I am no longer Heaven-worthy. That salvation does not manifest in our lives until we do John 3:16. And When I flirt another man's husband the redeeming blood is always there for me. But if I consciously refuse to go back to Him in a prayer of Forgiveness and He comes to pick us I Would be found guilty of all. Christ will never die twice!
what is difficult with one having to make a prayer of Forgiveness? What is wrong with it?
Do you even mean we do not need such prayers after we repent of our sins. Does a 40yr old dude who repented at the age of 15 need a prayer of Forgiveness along his race? You seem to be saying no here. Are you?

My intention here is not that I'd purposefully sin against him. In case I sinned, I'd simply Go back to him in prayers. Would I ask him to die again for my salvation? No. Would I devalue the efficacy of the blood? No! What Would I do? That which I have been saying: a pray of Forgiveness.

We are still in the flesh. Temptations do come. God watches the heart. If I lust in a second and die the next second - it is God who Would judge my intention! What if I survived extra second? I do not understand your use of 'in and out of salvation' other than what I already emphasised. Assuming Judas Iscariot was a bornagain, and gained salvation, Would we say he is worthy of Heaven after betraying Christ? The salvation is there before him. He only needs a prayer of Forgiveness.