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Bible Study Hebrews: Let's talk about it

Jethro Bodine

Jethro Bodine

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Hebrews is probably the most difficult book of the New Testament to understand. Chapters 7 through 10 seem to be the parts that are the most difficult to grasp. Let's examine those chapters together, but let's start in chapter 6 at verse 9 13 where the author begins this topic of the surety of God's plan and purpose as fulfilled and completed in the ministry of Christ.

I'm a student just like everybody else. I thought through a kind of question and answer way of examining the scriptures we'd pool our knowledge and experiences and glean what God is teaching us. I have found the most satisfying revelations of God's word come from the texts that need a little bit of contemplation. This is one of those texts.
 
Heb 6:9 But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Oh, let's just do it, lol.



What are the things that accompany salvation?
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Verse 7-12
But beloved, we are persuaded (of=concerning) better things of you, and things that accompany (nigh to, antithesis to "nigh unto cursing, as verse 8, nigh unto cursing), salvation, though we thus speak.

Hold on to, depend on, be close to,

Verse 7
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God.
Meet=fit
By =on account of
Dressed=tilled
For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs fit for them on account whom it is tilled.

8;
But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing, whose end is to be burned.

10, For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labor of love, which he have shown toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.
11, And we desire that everyone of you do show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end.
Refer to Heb.3:6,14
But Christ as a son over His Own house, whose house are we if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning if our confidence steadfast unto the end.

If is a small word to have such big meaning!

12; That ye be not slothful, (lazy) but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Refer to Heb.10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

:wink next.,.,.....,
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Oh, let's just do it, lol.



What are the things that accompany salvation?
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Salvation meaning eternal life?
Romans 6:22;
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life".
 
Heb 6:10 for God is not unrighteous to forget your work, and the labour of the love, that ye shewed to His name, having ministered to the saints and ministering;

Didn't see this one. Diane did a nice job of covering the rest, I think.
 
Deborah13 said:
Heb 6:10 for God is not unrighteous to forget your work, and the labour of the love, that ye shewed to His name, having ministered to the saints and ministering;
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Yes, we're not left to wonder what accompanies salvation. The passage itself tells us what accompanies salvation; faith, and the perseverance of faith--that is,patience--displayed in work for the saints, inspired by a love for the saints. John speaks of this love for the body that signifies salvation in his letters:

"1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
2 By this we know that we love the children of God,when we love God and observe His commandments." (1 John 5:1-2 NASB)

35 "By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:35 NASB)

People will often cite unbelievers and atheists who also love, and even want to take some distorted comfort that they are okay with God despite their unbelief because they do love. But an important distinguishing factor seems to be an active love for the body of Christ. That especially being what accompanies the salvation of God in a person. Unbelievers and atheists aren't known for their love of the church. Those who genuinely belong to God in salvation are. Love, one for another, born of faith and perseverance, is what accompanies salvation.
 
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Rollo Tamasi said:
Salvation meaning eternal life?
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That would definitely be a part of it, right?
I think of salvation as being saved from something, not just saved to something.


Rollo Tamasi said:
Romans 6:22;
But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves of God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life".
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He seems to be referring to eternal life in regard to it being a quality of life (which it also is), not just a length of life. I say that because he says eternal life is the result of being holy and free from sin, not the reason for being holy and free from sin as it would be if he was speaking strictly of eternal life being salvation itself. Thoughts?
 
Here is a... do i have "eternal life" test for any of you.
Go and check and see if you have it.
If you dont, according to these scriptures, then you might want to solve that, asap.
And notice in vs 13, it says...> so that you may KNOW<.
You do want to know for certain?.... right?

1 John, 5:11,12,13
 
Kidron said:
Here is a... do i have "eternal life" test for any of you.
Go and check and see if you have it.
If you dont, according to these scriptures, then you might want to solve that, asap.
And notice in vs 13, it says...> so that you may KNOW<.
You do want to know for certain?.... right?

1 John, 5:11,12,13
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Kidron
Yes, I believe on the name of the Son of God,
Anyone can say that, right?

I can also say, I love my husband, but what if I go and have an affair, treat him bad?
I think action speaks louder than words.

There are so many verses I can give you on some conditions that apply, such as Faith without works is dead being alone, but really don't want to argue about it.

Just think about it.
If you love someone, it will show.

Peace and love to ya
 
dianegcook said:
Just think about it.
If you love someone, it will show.
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I agree. If He loves us it will show. And NOTHING can separate us from His love. Not even ourselves(creation) nor anything future(includes what we do in the future.)

He truly has virtue love. He loves us based upon who and what He is, not based upon who and what we are.

Rom 8:38-39~~38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
Speaking as staff lets not get into the OSAS battle... Stating ones view is expected and welcome stating it over and over is not...
 
IMHO.
If you wish to start in chapter 6 of Hebrews, there is a place to start.

Hebrews 6:4
For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put himto an open shame.

The works of the law exist. The works of the law will not be forgotten. There is, however, the fact that the law is involved in shadows leading up to the reality of Christ. Jesus is the sacrifice for sin.
It is impossible to return again to repentance once we have opened the door and allowed God to move in and sup with him.

Revelation 3:20
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Returning from kingdom teaching to works of the law and repentance is what ( again IMHO) was happening.

I would have to leap ahead, but the chapters you have chosen will support the thoughts above.

The jerk from Mississippi
eddif
 
gr8grace3 said:
I agree. If He loves us it will show. And NOTHING can separate us from His love. Not even ourselves(creation) nor anything future(includes what we do in the future.)

He truly has virtue love. He loves us based upon who and what He is, not based upon who and what we are.

Rom 8:38-39~~38 For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
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No, nothing can separate me from my love of God.
.verses 35,36
Tribulation, will not separate my love for God, nor,distress, nor persecution, nor famine, nor nakedness, nor peril, nor sword.
As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long, we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
PSA.44:22
 
Jethro Bodine said:
Hebrews is probably the most difficult book of the New Testament to understand. Chapters 7 through 10 seem to be the parts that are the most difficult to grasp. Let's examine those chapters together, but let's start in chapter 6 at verse 9 13 where the author begins this topic of the surety of God's plan and purpose as fulfilled and completed in the ministry of Christ.

I'm a student just like everybody else. I thought through a kind of question and answer way of examining the scriptures we'd pool our knowledge and experiences and glean what God is teaching us. I have found the most satisfying revelations of God's word come from the texts that need a little bit of contemplation. This is one of those texts.
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Dr. Donald Gray Barnhouse said from the pulpit "we must remember the Book of Hebrews was written to the Hebrews to tell the Hebrews to stop being Hebrews and to become Christians." I would say that it is a book written to the physical Hebrews to explain to them that becoming spiritual Hebrews is what God's plan was about all along. And the entire book of Hebrews is as a divine commentary on Jeremiah 31:31-37.

Jeremiah 31:31–37 (AV)
31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
37Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

Bearing this in mind IMHO gets us through the hard nuts to chew on in the book of Hebrews.
 
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