Hebrews 10:1
For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
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Bible Study Hebrews: Let's talk about it
- Thread starter Jethro Bodine
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For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect.
eddif
So?
Melchizedek was then a type and shadow of one to come. Jesus lineage was hard to pin down (since he had no earthly father).
Types and shadows do no have to fit perfectly. Chewing the cud and meditation sure do not seem the same. Seeds compared to the word of God is a stretch. Melchizedek sure fits better than most
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dianegcook
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Kidron
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Kidron
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Yes, you can divorce him.
But you have to go to court., and do it legally, just like you had sign a marriage contract, (get married legally), to become his wife.
Has nothing to do with if you love him today, hate him tomorrow, or whatever.
"love" does not install the marriage contract, anymore then keeping the 10 commandments creates or maintains being born again or saved.
Here, let me show you..
Think of this..
Dont get saved, dont Trust Christ, dont become born again.
Instead, keep the 10 commandments and live a life of good works and die, and then what happens to you?
>WELCOME TO RELIGION.....WELCOME TO JUDAISM.<
Do you get a second chance in Heaven to receive Christ as your savior?
Really?
Do you get to have a discussion with God, and you tell him....."no, listen to me, im telling you that i kept the big 10, i worried about the Old Testament Law, and i always took communion on time, I was baptized, i did good works,...... so, dont try to tell me that after i did all THAT i dont get to stay HERE."""
See, if a person can ever come to the place to realize that they cant be saved or STAY saved without the BLOOD ATONEMENT, then they will stop trying to depend on anything else.
(they will stop trying to keep themselves saved).
And when a person stops trying to depend on anything else for salvation other then the blood atonement, then they have finally understood "Grace".
And how do i know a person is depending on something OUTSIDE Christ's finished work on the Cross to become accepted by God?
Because they will argue endlessly to add works or law keeping to the Blood Atonement, and in doing so they always run to water, or the Law, or good deeds, or church membership.
And this will be the beginning of the believer growing in His grace. And truly living the Christian way of life and producing intrinsically good works instead of human good to "keep us safe."
dianegcook
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Where have I ever stated that following the 10 commandments will save ya?
I like to see it!
I have stated over and over and over again, that works don't save ya, but they are the evidence of obedience to Christ.
Because, as I have stated over and over again,
Faith without works is dead, being alone.
Now talk to the hand, lol.
And I really don't think that God went to court to divorce Israel .
Kidron
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""""""""""""""if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
if we hold the beginning if our confidence steadfast unto the end.
If is a small word to have such big meaning!
12; That ye be not slothful, (lazy) but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Refer to Heb.10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.""""""""""""""
Dianegcook,
I had concluded that because you are listing the above ^^^^^^^^^^ scriptures in this thread as your proof text of the way you believe you >maintain your salvation<, ..... then based on that..... i concluded that you were someone who believes that you had to maintain your eternal salvation by "works".
If im wrong, and you are not someone who believes you have to "endure to the end", and "have done the will of God, that you might receive the promise".... as you have stated....
If im wrong about you, and instead you really do believe that it's Christ's Blood Atonement ALONE that saves you, and nothing afterwards you have to "endure" and "faith without works".... MAINTAINS your salvation.....then please excuse me, as i was only going by what you wrote that led me to believe that you do think that salvation is.... What Jesus did + what you have to do, to stay saved.
K
if we hold the beginning if our confidence steadfast unto the end.
If is a small word to have such big meaning!
12; That ye be not slothful, (lazy) but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.
Refer to Heb.10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.""""""""""""""
Dianegcook,
I had concluded that because you are listing the above ^^^^^^^^^^ scriptures in this thread as your proof text of the way you believe you >maintain your salvation<, ..... then based on that..... i concluded that you were someone who believes that you had to maintain your eternal salvation by "works".
If im wrong, and you are not someone who believes you have to "endure to the end", and "have done the will of God, that you might receive the promise".... as you have stated....
If im wrong about you, and instead you really do believe that it's Christ's Blood Atonement ALONE that saves you, and nothing afterwards you have to "endure" and "faith without works".... MAINTAINS your salvation.....then please excuse me, as i was only going by what you wrote that led me to believe that you do think that salvation is.... What Jesus did + what you have to do, to stay saved.
K
dianegcook
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I believe Jesus saves you, but your works are the evidence that Jesus lives in you. His Spirit
The way you live, treat others, your testimony.
Works,
Love thy neighbor, Love God with all your heart, doesn't it say that love fulfills the commandments?
If you love,
You will not steal from your neighbor,
You will not covet,
You would not bear false witness, and so on.
What if one says that they were saved , then for what- ever reason, turned their back on God, stop believing, turn atheist?
You have freewill.
You can turn your back on God, even if He is there always waiting for you to return, as the prodigal son.
The way you live, treat others, your testimony.
Works,
Love thy neighbor, Love God with all your heart, doesn't it say that love fulfills the commandments?
If you love,
You will not steal from your neighbor,
You will not covet,
You would not bear false witness, and so on.
What if one says that they were saved , then for what- ever reason, turned their back on God, stop believing, turn atheist?
You have freewill.
You can turn your back on God, even if He is there always waiting for you to return, as the prodigal son.
Jethro Bodine
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About 4 years ago I began to be acquainted with 3 denominational but yet Jewish pastors that think similar to you. There are variations but similar. Let's let things progress a little more on the thread. I have so much to say it might be best for me to start a seperate thread.
I'm not making the connection to what we were talking about.
I am a thinkin. LOL.
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Jethro Bodine
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"19 This hope we have as an anchor of the soul, a hope both sure and steadfast and one which enters within the veil, 20 where Jesus has entered as a forerunner for us, having become a high priest forever according to the order of Melchizedek." (Hebrews 5:19 NASB)
This order of Priesthood, before and outside of the law, goes behind the veil, just as the Levitical Priesthood does, to make intercession for the people of God before the Mercy Seat, upon which blood is offered for the sins of the people. And that is just what Jesus, Priest in the order of Melchizedek's Priesthood, did. He entered into the Holy Place behind the veil where the blood is sprinkled on the atonement cover to make atonement for the people of God.
This order of Priesthood, before and outside of the law, goes behind the veil, just as the Levitical Priesthood does, to make intercession for the people of God before the Mercy Seat, upon which blood is offered for the sins of the people. And that is just what Jesus, Priest in the order of Melchizedek's Priesthood, did. He entered into the Holy Place behind the veil where the blood is sprinkled on the atonement cover to make atonement for the people of God.
Sometimes it takes me a long time to see some things.
By the way the Wednesday 7:29 post listed Hebrews 5:19 and actually it is 6:19. Not that it matters exactly. I just was not able to dash there quickly.
I feel we all are having problems with a child 4 year old concept. We ( my wife and I) were trying to decide on what to do with some books cluttering the shelves. We were discussing some of them. One taught the same - different concepts. Of course my forehead got flatter as --- eventually my palm hitting my head at the revelation of my tendency to see similarities a lot, left a dent. So. Why would I have any problems with someone else doing the same thing?
Hebrews is a lot about differences. So the differences folks all start hollering differences. The similarities folks start hollering similarities. The problem arises when we get a mindset that actually lets an opposite concept slip by, because we are set in the other concept mode. This can be either group. So as a 3 year old I will be trying to act like an educated 5 year old. LOL
Anyone get anything out of what I just said and how it connects Arron and Melchisedec priesthoods in same different conversation. Also God realizing mans love of oaths ( not usually using them himself ?). Utters an oath to attract attention to a similarity in the mist of a difference conversation. Totally messing up both parties minds and affirming that Gods wars are not our ways.
eddif
By the way the Wednesday 7:29 post listed Hebrews 5:19 and actually it is 6:19. Not that it matters exactly. I just was not able to dash there quickly.
I feel we all are having problems with a child 4 year old concept. We ( my wife and I) were trying to decide on what to do with some books cluttering the shelves. We were discussing some of them. One taught the same - different concepts. Of course my forehead got flatter as --- eventually my palm hitting my head at the revelation of my tendency to see similarities a lot, left a dent. So. Why would I have any problems with someone else doing the same thing?
Hebrews is a lot about differences. So the differences folks all start hollering differences. The similarities folks start hollering similarities. The problem arises when we get a mindset that actually lets an opposite concept slip by, because we are set in the other concept mode. This can be either group. So as a 3 year old I will be trying to act like an educated 5 year old. LOL
Anyone get anything out of what I just said and how it connects Arron and Melchisedec priesthoods in same different conversation. Also God realizing mans love of oaths ( not usually using them himself ?). Utters an oath to attract attention to a similarity in the mist of a difference conversation. Totally messing up both parties minds and affirming that Gods wars are not our ways.
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Kidron
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You are describing discipleship.
Discipleship is the "following", that happens once you become a Disciple.
The "following", has to do with the behavior, but has nothing to do with the position.
In Christianity, we are become "Sons of God", not because after we do, we are willing to live the life, walk the walk, etc.
But rather HE has recreated us within his Grace to be his blood bought own, and that free of charge, free of "discipleship", free of works, free of "law", free of anything related to the idea that we are doing something for it to ither earn it or keep it.
The wisdom of Christianity is in the understanding <> the spiritual awakening to the reality that Righteousness is not something we do, but rather its something that GOD GAVE US., based on what Jesus did for us.
There are no "If we dos" related to this free Gift from God., and that is because there is nothing we could possibly do that could equal the Life of Christ or the sacrifice of Christ.
So, we need not go there to try to "keep it".
We dont keep it, we instead are given it, and once its applied its finished, just as Jesus said from the Cross.
And subsequent to this knowledge that God himself has remade us to be an eternal part of himself, we then choose wisely when as you say we choose to live for him because of what he has DONE for us., and not because of what we are trying to earn as a means to maintain what he has already given.
The shadows over lap... shadows are not completely clear around the edges...
gracenote
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