Help with discernment

[GodsGrace]

So, seek ye first the Kingdom of God would not apply to this situation?

Where is that at?

No. It would not apply.
Because...apparently it didn't work.
The person is possessed.
Exorcism is necessary.
First all possible physical conditions must be excluded.
Once that has been done, it can be determined, including other indicators,
that an exorcism is necessary.

It's way beyond SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
I'm sure that was tried first.

 

[GodsGrace]

That one can be found in Mark 9:24-26
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.

25 When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.

26 And the spirit cried, and rent him sore, and came out of him: and he was as one dead; insomuch that many said, He is dead.../

There is many different kinds of evil spirits and I have scriptures for a lot of them. Like,

A spirit of Divination: Acts 16:16-18

Spirit of Infirmity, Luke 13:10-13
10 One Sabbath day as Jesus was teaching in a synagogue, 11 he saw a woman who had been crippled by an evil spirit. She had been bent double for eighteen years and was unable to stand up straight. 12 When Jesus saw her, he called her over and said, “Dear woman, you are healed of your sickness!” 13 Then he touched her, and instantly she could stand straight. How she praised God!.../

Should she have went to the Doctor instead?

No.
They should have gone to Jesus.
But He's not around anymore and has returned to the dimension of heaven.
We cannot now for sure about the heavenly realm.
There's a lot, I'm sure, that we don't know.

So, but, let me get this straight:
You have a high fever and can't breath well.
You pray for a day or two but feel the same.
You don't call a doctor?

 

[Free]

Matthew 13:58
And so he did only a few miracles there because of their unbelief.../NLT

Now that is usually the verse quoted but let's look at some more of it and perhaps it will shine some light on it for you.

Matthew 13:54-58
54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?

55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?

56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?

57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.

58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.../NLT

It sure sounds to me that their unbelief was in Jesus and His power to do mighty things. They grew up around Him and so had difficulty recognizing Him as God.

So, your answer is, Jesus.

Right. So, what is the issue then when it comes to Christians and "Cancer, Schizo disorder, anxiety disorder, bipolar"? Would "all of them would go away"? In cases where they don't, which is likely quite often, what is the issue?

Also, "unbelief" and "lack of faith" are related, if not synonymous in some instances. The Greek word translated as "unbelief" in Matt 13:58 is apistia, and has the following meanings:

Definition

unfaithfulness, faithless want of faith, unbelief weakness of faith

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/apistia.html

 

[evenifigoalone]

I feel like telling a person with clinical anxiety, depression, or other mental illness that "you need to have more faith" is much like telling an autistic person who is prone to meltdowns "you need to be more patient".

Thing is.... autistic people are very often far more patient than anyone else realizes. A bit part of autism is severe sensory processing issues, which means that going out in crowded public places can often be very painful for the autistic person. The issue is not a "lack of patience", the issue is the autistic person is hearing and feeling everything around them all at once to the point it makes them feel physically ill. Their brains are literally wired differently.
Many autistic people learn to hold their feelings in so as to avoid being seen as a nuisance to others. This meaning suppressing when they are in pain, much like a pressurized bottle, it comes out eventually: in the form of a meltdown.

I'm not autistic, but when I don't take my anxiety meds I do get severe sensory processing issues. Flinching at noises other people don't even bat an eye at, feeling sick to my stomach because it's too noisy and even little noises are very loud, etc.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Here's a tweet I made (top part with the scratched out username) when I was actively having sensory processing issues a month ago due to not taking my meds consistently. And yes, I was being heavily sarcastic, just sharing cuz it describes sensory issues that were heavily bothering me at the time.

(The context of the quoted tweet was the industry wanting to prescribe autistic people SSRIs to stop them from fidgeting ("stimming"). Yes, really.)

 

[Edward]

No. It would not apply.
Because...apparently it didn't work.
The person is possessed.
Exorcism is necessary.
First all possible physical conditions must be excluded.
Once that has been done, it can be determined, including other indicators,
that an exorcism is necessary.

It's way beyond SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD.
I'm sure that was tried first.

Because apparently it didn't work. Hm, that happened to the Apostles one time. They couldn't cast out a certain type of spirit because more prayer and fasting needed to be done in order to be granted for that particular spirit.

It didn't work. How many tiimes did you try? What happened? And what are the symptoms again?

 

[GodsGrace]

Because apparently it didn't work. Hm, that happened to the Apostles one time. They couldn't cast out a certain type of spirit because more prayer and fasting needed to be done in order to be granted for that particular spirit.

It didn't work. How many tiimes did you try? What happened? And what are the symptoms again?

Ed,
I'm not talking about me!

I did mention a friend who has schizophrenia.
I was speaking in general.

 

[Edward]

No.
They should have gone to Jesus.
But He's not around anymore and has returned to the dimension of heaven.
We cannot now for sure about the heavenly realm.
There's a lot, I'm sure, that we don't know.

But the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Christ is in you. You are in Christ.

So, but, let me get this straight:
You have a high fever and can't breath well.
You pray for a day or two but feel the same.
You don't call a doctor?

I hardly ever get sick. I bet I didn't have more than 5 sick days my entire carearr and that includes the, I just don't want to go work today that did happen a couple times. I am epileptic and that's about it. No flu, no colds, no pnumoia, no vaccine, no covid...I am healthy. And...I am not trusting or liking doctors too much nowadays so I can guarentee you that I would go to the Lord first. Remember that faith is spelled r-i-s-k.

I am almost done with doctors. I need to get my anti seizure meds and that's all. I got healed one night when I had a dislocated hip. I prayed before bed for Him to plese heal me while I sleep. I got woke in in the middle of the night with a burning sensation in my hip. It got hotter. It got so hot that, (I said something that I shouldn't have). Then I went back to sleep, and in the morning remembered that I prayed and what happened so I looked at my hip and it was fixed! No trip to the ER and no xray fees or anything! Praise the Lord!

The Lord did not heal me of my seizures at the same time He healed my hip. I had a seizure after that. Can I explain why? Not really. As a thorn in my side to keep me clinging to Him? It's working, lol! I have taken to speaking to these spirits also and my own body. I tell it to be healthy. I command the spirit of infirmity to go away and do not return (in the name of Jesus). I havent had any seizures since I started talking to them. I haven't stopped taking my meds though! Not yet. I will know when is the time.

The scizophrenic one that you told me about? Did anyone ever lay hands on him or anything like that?

 

[Edward]

Ed,
I'm not talking about me!

I did mention a friend who has schizophrenia.
I was speaking in general.

I know it's not you! I meant your friend with scizophrenia. You said it didn't work. I thought you meant on him. What did they do? Was that you? Who didn't what work on?

 

[Edward]

Right. So, what is the issue then when it comes to Christians and "Cancer, Schizo disorder, anxiety disorder, bipolar"? Would "all of them would go away"? In cases where they don't, which is likely quite often, what is the issue?

Also, "unbelief" and "lack of faith" are related, if not synonymous in some instances. The Greek word translated as "unbelief" in Matt 13:58 is apistia, and has the following meanings:

Definition

unfaithfulness, faithless want of faith, unbelief weakness of faith

https://www.biblestudytools.com/lexicons/greek/nas/apistia.html

The issue is sin most of the time. Either they are in sin or they or their great grandma was a witch or something. That can lay a curse upon a bloodline. What we bind on earth is bound in Heaven and what is loosed on earth is loosed in Heaven. Ever heard of the Binding prayer? It releases curses upon a bloodline that were placed there through people dabbling in witchcraft or the occult.

I may have to give you that one about faith and unbelief, lol. I have no clue if I have that stuff in my notes. But I remember the gist and will give that to you. The gist is, faith and belief are very similar but that belief in the old language has the connotation of action along with it.

Faith is trusting the Lord in your heart.
Belief is acting in faith somehow. An action that goes right beside the trust.

Peter says, Hey Lord can I come out onto the water with you?
Yes you can.

Has he acted in belief yet? No, perhaps in faith and trust in Jesus, he was inspired to ask and get to walk on water!
Peter did not exhibit Belief until he climed over the side of the boat into the water. There was an action, there was a risk. Belief...so he walked on water.

Faith and belief are similar but you can have faith without any action, sitting on the couch.
But if you want to walk on water, then an action is required. You must, get up off the couch! But belief carries with it all the elements of faith, and even more because there is motor action, lol.

Jesus's old neighbors from the neighbrohood where He grew up did not have belief so Jesus was not able to preform many miracles there. That's just the kid from up the street, he can't make the blind see! They wouldn't even come outside and try. No Belief.

 

[Edward]

Plus you have the scriptural thing that explains about the Spirit of God. Being ankle deep, then being knee deep, then waist deep, then chest high, then over your head, swimming in the Lord! To who more is given, more is required!

So that's prolly why many people do not get their prayers answered. Too strong of a spirit, or too weak of faith or belief.

Lord help our unbelief.

 

[GodsGrace]

But the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. Christ is in you. You are in Christ.



I hardly ever get sick. I bet I didn't have more than 5 sick days my entire carearr and that includes the, I just don't want to go work today that did happen a couple times. I am epileptic and that's about it. No flu, no colds, no pnumoia, no vaccine, no covid...I am healthy. And...I am not trusting or liking doctors too much nowadays so I can guarentee you that I would go to the Lord first. Remember that faith is spelled r-i-s-k.

I am almost done with doctors. I need to get my anti seizure meds and that's all. I got healed one night when I had a dislocated hip. I prayed before bed for Him to plese heal me while I sleep. I got woke in in the middle of the night with a burning sensation in my hip. It got hotter. It got so hot that, (I said something that I shouldn't have). Then I went back to sleep, and in the morning remembered that I prayed and what happened so I looked at my hip and it was fixed! No trip to the ER and no xray fees or anything! Praise the Lord!

The Lord did not heal me of my seizures at the same time He healed my hip. I had a seizure after that. Can I explain why? Not really. As a thorn in my side to keep me clinging to Him? It's working, lol! I have taken to speaking to these spirits also and my own body. I tell it to be healthy. I command the spirit of infirmity to go away and do not return (in the name of Jesus). I havent had any seizures since I started talking to them. I haven't stopped taking my meds though! Not yet. I will know when is the time.

The scizophrenic one that you told me about? Did anyone ever lay hands on him or anything like that?

This is a wonderful testimony.
The whole thing is a mystery,
Like about the seizures not being healed.
My friend is a pretty young person, about his early 40s now.

His sister is born again.
I can't remember if they laid hands on him.
I'll ask her, not him. Bad moment right now.

Also, I think everything like this, all evil, is satanic in nature.

 

[Christ_empowered]

I dunno

Part of my problem with the label is the mental health industry. And then there’s society which comes down hard on so called mental patients. And…

Personally? The fewer psych drugs the less of the whole thing…the better I get. How does that make sense?

Jesus can heal. Sometimes doctors and others help sometimes they cause more harm than good. Will Jesus heal schizophrenia and related illnesses? What is schizophrenia? It doesn’t show up on lab work brain scans or even autopsy. A state of mind? Is that an actual illness?

 

[Edward]

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Here's a tweet I made (top part with the scratched out username) when I was actively having sensory processing issues a month ago due to not taking my meds consistently. And yes, I was being heavily sarcastic, just sharing cuz it describes sensory issues that were heavily bothering me at the time.

(The context of the quoted tweet was the industry wanting to prescribe autistic people SSRIs to stop them from fidgeting ("stimming"). Yes, really.)

You wrote that? Thats your post from another site?

How in the world could you possibly think that you can demand that people do not set off your sensory processing issues? That is code talk for make you mad. This is a big world and the internet has a zillion people on it that don't know you and who you don't know. So how are those people supposed to know what sets you off?

So if people do not know what sets you off on any particular day where do you get off making any type of demands? How could you? Shame on you. So one day you are nice and on your meds and the next day you're late for for work and forget your meds so have a bad day because of it? And I demand that you people better not set me off!????

Oh my gosh, do you hear how that sounds? That is unrealistic, absurd and arrogant. That post makes you sound arrogant. Be nice. It's not hard to be nice. You don't have to go around making demands on people! Who are you? What do these people owe you that you can demand of them?

I think what you're saying is that you need special treatment because you have a laundry list of disorders. But waitaminute that don't make sense. You are always on here telling us how capable you are. You even hold down a job. That doesn't sound like someone who needs special treatment (on Demand!) That's very funny little girl, lol.

Your so good because you are, and when everyone is all, you make so happy (Lol) then everything is ok but when someone says something that you don't like then oh he setting me off again please give me special treatment and make him stop...(Is that the same girl thats lives on her own and works and everything? I think it is a mistake for you to demand special treatment. Are you disabled? Do you hold yourself to be disabled? If you hold down a job, then you're not disabled to a radical degree, right? That girl should hitch up her britches like a big girl and take it on the chin if she has to because, hey, you might learn something.

From what I can tell by reading your posts you are more not disabled than you are disabled. (And like was noted before, you do talk too much, lol) You get on here and talk one way and then two weeks later you are saying something different. Like you forgot what you said before.

 

[evenifigoalone]

I dunno, a google search pulls this up:

Lots of mental conditions will show up in brain scans. ADHD, PTSD, etc. For instance, an ADHD brain literally shuts down in the frontal cortex when we try to concentrate unmedicated.

 

[Edward]

Also, I think everything like this, all evil, is satanic in nature.

Sometimes I wonder about the boy in the bible with seizures and if I might really have a problem with an evil spirit. The one who don't go out without prayer and fasting. I have talked to that spirit in Jesus name but who knows if, I have prayed and fasted enough, and if I have and the spirit is gone, how would I know it? Stop taking my meds? That is scary. The last time almost killed me! I hit a tree and rolled the truck at 70 mph on the highway. I felt the seizure coming on (first time!) and saw myself fading consciousness in the rearview mirror. The only thing I had time for was to say, Lord be with me.

I live alone. I have to drive. I can't afford no wrecks or revocation of my drivers license because of the seizure. So, yeah. I still take my meds. Lord help my unbelief.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sometimes I wonder about the boy in the bible with seizures and if I might really have a problem with an evil spirit. The one who don't go out without prayer and fasting. I have talked to that spirit in Jesus name but who knows if, I have prayed and fasted enough, and if I have and the spirit is gone, how would I know it? Stop taking my meds? That is scary. The last time almost killed me! I hit a tree and rolled the truck at 70 mph on the highway. I felt the seizure coming on (first time!) and saw myself fading consciousness in the rearview mirror. The only thing I had time for was to say, Lord be with me.

I live alone. I have to drive. I can't afford no wrecks or revocation of my drivers license because of the seizure. So, yeah. I still take my meds. Lord help my unbelief.

It's evil Ed, not an actual evil spirit.
I could tell from 5,000 miles away!
We're just not going to get healings all the time.
Take your medicine and thank God you know Him. Imagine living life without Him.

 

[GodsGrace]

I dunno, a google search pulls this up:
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Lots of mental conditions will show up in brain scans. ADHD, PTSD, etc. For instance, an ADHD brain literally shuts down in the frontal cortex when we try to concentrate unmedicated.

A lot of study is being done re the difference between the brain and the mind.
MRI's are taken like what you posted.

 

[Edward]

Personally? The fewer psych drugs the less of the whole thing…the better I get. How does that make sense?

It is the power of God working in your life. That makes perfect sense to me. All the time you are giving the Lord the credit that He so richly deserves, so the Lord in turn, blesses you in appreciation of your testimony about Him.

I notice that even in the midst of your strife around town, you continue a positive outlook and demeanor. You are not like those people who all they can do is to talk about how bad they are and such bad troubles. Woe is me they say! It's pretty obvious from your posts that, the Lord is doing something very peculiar with you and I find it highly interesting, lol!

Jehova Rapha first. (God that Heals us). Less Doctor, more Jehova Rapha. I think you have a wonderful testimony.

 

[Edward]

It's evil Ed, not an actual evil spirit.
I could tell from 5,000 miles away!
We're just not going to get healings all the time.
Take your medicine and thank God you know Him. Imagine living life without Him.

That does make me feel better! I don't like thinking that I may have an evil spirit of any type inside me.

Waitaminute, Something tells me that if the Lord is inside me then there is no room for evil spirits. I can't have one.

Maybe I didn't when I had the seizure? I don't know. I can't remember. But that's an interesting thought. I wonder.