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Help with discernment

Edward said:
That does make me feel better! I don't like thinking that I may have an evil spirit of any type inside me.

Waitaminute, Something tells me that if the Lord is inside me then there is no room for evil spirits. I can't have one.

Maybe I didn't when I had the seizure? I don't know. I can't remember. But that's an interesting thought. I wonder.
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Evil spirits have to be let in somehow.
I doubt a Christian would do anything that would allow this.
I mean something concrete, not sinning.
 
For me, I'm learning that most of my mental health stuff is probably trauma-related. Stuff's complicated, we internalize much of what we learn as children, teens, young adults. (And trauma doesn't always mean PTSD, though that certainly is common.)
 
evenifigoalone said:
For me, I'm learning that most of my mental health stuff is probably trauma-related. Stuff's complicated, we internalize much of what we learn as children, teens, young adults. (And trauma doesn't always mean PTSD, though that certainly is common.)
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I agree fully.
Then other experiences come into play,,,,
Friends, work, faith, confidence level, etc.

Since each person is different, each person will deal with the trauma in different ways.

I believe both you and @christempowered are doing a great job. I happen to know how difficult it is.

You're both to be applauded.
 
Trauma plays a big big role. I had an idyllic childhood but all sorts of misery in the community from tweens onwards. Psychiatry also deeply traumatized me deliberately. It’s what they sometimes do to make people more manageable…

Trauma shock heavy drugging. Ugh 😑

So not a big fan of psychiatry or psychology. A lot of my problems were social and economic in nature and just happened to play out in my own life with psych symptoms. Like probably a lot of people I was not blameless or sinless but…

The phrase canary in a coal mine comes to mind.

Now? 38. Healthy and surprisingly smart and normal. The high IQ estimate to me is a huge blessing not because the numbers matter so much to me but because I see it as a sign of forgiveness and redemption from Jesus Himself.

Nearly 18 years after a private corporate owned hospital did involuntary shock and some kind of brain operation and then wanted to put me in a homeless shelter…humbling experiences or something…

Some lady at the clinic was glaring at me and talking about how Dr.xyz was teaching me a lesson and how I should have gone to the homeless shelter and how I should have stayed on my medication and…

Blah 😑 thankfully my long suffering parents didn’t let them put me in a homeless shelter. They also refused to keep paying more and more money even after insurance had paid and…

Yeah. Shrinks: not a fan.
 
wondering said:
A curse is not a possession.
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Doesn't curses always bring demons? Then they hang around and tempting them into the occult or whatever then one day he has been reading the horoscopes too long and opened the door for possession?

I think at the least that we could say that it sometimes happens.
 
Edward said:
Doesn't curses always bring demons? Then they hang around and tempting them into the occult or whatever then one day he has been reading the horoscopes too long and opened the door for possession?

I think at the least that we could say that it sometimes happens.
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I think a biblical curse in the OT means, for instance, in the Mosaic Law someone kills the herd of a neighbor...
any big sin will bring a curse in some form or other. You know, things backfire. Can't get into more than this right now.
It's like Karma.

What I'm talking about is actual possession.
I don't know how this came up....I really don't like talking about it.
I think I'm the only person alive that didn't see The Exorcist.
We could continue tomorrow re the curse if you want to.
 
I just don't see "not having faith" as being the entire cause of a mental illness. Many things can contribute to mental illness or make it worse, but when anxiety is at a clinical degree it's not "not having faith", "not exercising", "not eating right" that's the perpetrator. Exercising, eating right, getting sun, talking to God, reading the Bible.... these are all things that can greatly help, certainly. But unless the root cause of the disorder is the lack of these things, then doing them will not cure you, short of a literal miracle.

There is also, though, that not all depression is a depressive disorder, and not all heavy anxiety is an anxiety disorder. There are specific criteria's that are supposed to be met before they are considered to be disordered. Probably most of the time anxiety and depression are reactions to adverse situations, rather than an inherent chemical imbalance that will never go away. Or they are acquired after going through something traumatic, and stick around in the form of trauma responses. (Important to note that not everyone who goes through traumatic events has lasting trauma in big ways. They might be said to have "little t" trauma in that the event affects them and the way they live in small ways, but not "big T" trauma where they are greatly affected for life.)
 
evenifigoalone said:
I just don't see "not having faith" as being the entire cause of a mental illness. Many things can contribute to mental illness or make it worse, but when anxiety is at a clinical degree it's not "not having faith", "not exercising", "not eating right" that's the perpetrator. Exercising, eating right, getting sun, talking to God, reading the Bible.... these are all things that can greatly help, certainly. But unless the root cause of the disorder is the lack of these things, then doing them will not cure you, short of a literal miracle.

There is also, though, that not all depression is a depressive disorder, and not all heavy anxiety is an anxiety disorder. There are specific criteria's that are supposed to be met before they are considered to be disordered. Probably most of the time anxiety and depression are reactions to adverse situations, rather than an inherent chemical imbalance that will never go away. Or they are acquired after going through something traumatic, and stick around in the form of trauma responses. (Important to note that not everyone who goes through traumatic events has lasting trauma in big ways. They might be said to have "little t" trauma in that the event affects them and the way they live in small ways, but not "big T" trauma where they are greatly affected for life.)
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This is true. I forgot about it.
It's called Event Depression or something like that.
IOW it's tied to a specific event and is not real depression.

I think THAT type of depression could be very much helped by our faith.
Would you agree?
 
wondering said:
This is true. I forgot about it.
It's called Event Depression or something like that.
IOW it's tied to a specific event and is not real depression.

I think THAT type of depression could be very much helped by our faith.
Would you agree?
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I would agree. I think pretty much all mental illness could be helped to at least some degree by our faith, but perhaps moreso in this instance.
 
For a while there there was endogenous vs situational depression, if I recall correctly endogenous was thought to be rare and more severe. Because antidepressants were toxic until Luvox and Prozac the drugs were used more in severe endogenous depression not in milder cases. Apparently various stimulants were more commonly used in less severe depressive states why bavk when.
 
Christ_empowered said:
For a while there there was endogenous vs situational depression, if I recall correctly endogenous was thought to be rare and more severe. Because antidepressants were toxic until Luvox and Prozac the drugs were used more in severe endogenous depression not in milder cases. Apparently various stimulants were more commonly used in less severe depressive states why bavk when.
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Right. It's called situational depression.
I'm very happy there's a cure for this terrible ailment that affects so many.
 
I dunno 🤷‍♂️

Life isn’t fair lol 😂 I’m currently navigating the world with fewer medications which is only possible because of Jesus and my family. So….

What to make of it? I’m doing better overall on less now but it’s a good time for me…

For any number of reasons a lot of people with similar diagnoses end up on higher doses etc but that’s often necessary. But I’ve also seen and experienced malpractice in psychiatry. So I dunno 🤷
 
wondering said:
I've never heard this spoken of and I've never considered it.
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It happens frequently
wondering said:
I'm talking about possession.
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Did not want to get into the semantics of that, but since you brought it up......

"Possession" indicates ownership. There is only one case where the Greek text actually supports the use of "possession" in the NT; and that is in Acts 18 with the slave girl who was possessed by a Python spirit of divination. Every other case is better translated "demonized," or demon attached. NOT possessed / owned.
wondering said:
How would a baby invite an evil spirit?
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Not the baby, the parents, and in particular the mother and her ancestry.

Since demonization is the satanic counterpart for Holy Spirit indwelling, the same question could be asked of John the Baptist. As the angel told Elizabeth:

Luke 1:15
For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb.

So how did a baby invite in the Holy Spirit?
 
D-D-W said:
It happens frequently

Did not want to get into the semantics of that, but since you brought it up......

"Possession" indicates ownership. There is only one case where the Greek text actually supports the use of "possession" in the NT; and that is in Acts 18 with the slave girl who was possessed by a Python spirit of divination. Every other case is better translated "demonized," or demon attached. NOT possessed / owned.

Not the baby, the parents, and in particular the mother and her ancestry.

Since demonization is the satanic counterpart for Holy Spirit indwelling, the same question could be asked of John the Baptist. As the angel told Elizabeth:

Luke 1:15
For he will be great in the sight of the Lord; and he will drink no wine or liquor, and he will be filled with the Holy Spirit while yet in his mother’s womb.

So how did a baby invite in the Holy Spirit?
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No DDW
We're speaking about two different things.

I was speaking of possission NOW, not in the NT.
And I take this opportunity to STOP TALKING about it since it's rather distressful to me.
 
I’m thankful that I can have treatment that helps without dealing with much in the way of problems from the drugs themselves. I think being able to take high dose vitamins and antioxidants helps with adverse effects and also overall recovery. Thing is…

My supplements are relatively inexpensive but few people on these sorts of medications have the information to help them do it or advocate for themselves in general. And that’s one big problem I’ve had with psychiatry…

I haggle to get meds I can tolerate and dosages that help without drug induced problems. My meds are generic so it’s not as if I’m going for the shiniest most expensive newest pills out there…

If I couldn’t self advocate I’d probably be dealing with all sorts of drug induced misery. What does that say about psychiatry?
 
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