Her immaculate foot

[Vic C.]

Vic, take another look,...... see if the woman might be the church and the manchild the strong believers who are produced out of the church.

The woman is Israel. The man/child is Messiah, Jesus. This is how I understand it as well as many End Times scholars. Sorry if we don't agree with you. :-? You don't think it was Israel, through the lineage of David, that "brought forth" the man/child, Christ?

 

[cj]

Vic, take another look,...... see if the woman might be the church and the manchild the strong believers who are produced out of the church.

The woman is Israel. The man/child is Messiah, Jesus. This is how I understand it as well as many End Times scholars. Sorry if we don't agree with you. :-? You don't think it was Israel, through the lineage of David, that "brought forth" the man/child, Christ?

Be careful how you lump yourself together with End Time scholars Vic, the age old thought comes to mind, "sleep with dogs get up with fleas."

The title of scholars means nothing really, just look at Catholicism where we can find many so-called scholars.

Anyway, The woman is not Israel, and you cannot prove it to be Israel can you?

Nope.

Likewise, the manchild is not Christ the Messiah.



Fact is, the scripture says that the woman brought forth the manchild, and Israel does not bring forth anything. Jesus the Messiah is out of God and not Israel.

The Messiah is to be found in Melchisedec, and Melchisedec was long before Israel. In fact, Abraham, who begat Isaac, who begat Jacob, who begat Israel, paid tithes to Melchisedec, thus show who is at the top.

No Vic, I know you've done a lot of study on this subject, but in this you've gone down the wrong road.


Answer these three questions.....

Where does it say in scripture that Israel brought forth the Messiah?

Who are the overcomers who will rule the nations with an iron rod?

If the manchild is Jesus, how could the scripture say that He was caught-up to God and the throne, when in fact Jesus lived for thirty odd years, died, was buried, and then resurrected?


Telling me scholars think this or that and that you agree with them doesn't really answer very simple questions.

In love,
cj

 

[thessalonian]

Where does it say in scripture that Israel brought forth the Messiah?

Who are the overcomers who will rule the nations with an iron rod?

If the manchild is Jesus, how could the scripture say that He was caught-up to God and the throne, when in fact Jesus lived for thirty odd years, died, was buried, and then resurrected?

I tell ya, you guys are all over the map with scriptrue. This is the first time that I have heard anyone say the child in rev 12 is not Jesus. But I guess we shouldn't be surprized. So it took 2000 years for somebody to read this verse and get it right? CJ, you otta be able to start your own denomination on this one. I know where you can pick up collection baskets. Lot's of denominations started from the 18th century John Darby heresy called pre-trib rapture so I am sure we can add perhaps another 50 denominations to the protestant fold over this in about a 20 year period. :o

 

[Merry Menagerie]

Wow!!! No wonder she's worshipped if that's the picture that's been MADE UP of her :

Understood in context there is nothing wrong with those statements. We simply beleive that Jesus listens to the prayers of his Mother. That he will pour out HIS graces at her request. This is not blasphemy or worship. We give him the credit for the grace. Do you believe your prayers win the grace of Christ for others and that they are saved through the grace your prayers bring to them. Utter blasphemy. Oh my.

Yes thessalonian that's your explaination everytime 'context'!!! Yes play the 'context' card why don't you. I'm afraid I know what I see, and I don't like what I see. It's absolutely shocking!

 

[cj]

I tell ya, you guys are all over the map with scriptrue. This is the first time that I have heard anyone say the child in rev 12 is not Jesus. But I guess we shouldn't be surprized. So it took 2000 years for somebody to read this verse and get it right? CJ, you otta be able to start your own denomination on this one. I know where you can pick up collection baskets. Lot's of denominations started from the 18th century John Darby heresy called pre-trib rapture so I am sure we can add perhaps another 50 denominations to the protestant fold over this in about a 20 year period. :o

The Jews had the OT scriptures and didn't have a clue that their Messiah was standing in front of them.

And they had these scriptures far longer than the two thousand years you're speaking of.

But of course, they were only Jews, whereas folks like you are "christians".


What I simply smile at is the fact that you really have a lot of nothing to say.

Deal with the scripture and leave your concepts of what I can or can't do behind.

If you can that is.


In love,
cj

 

[thessalonian]

Cj,

You hurt my feelings. Sniff, sniff. :-D

God bless you sir. :

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Where does it say in scripture that Israel brought forth the Messiah?

Who are the overcomers who will rule the nations with an iron rod?

If the manchild is Jesus, how could the scripture say that He was caught-up to God and the throne, when in fact Jesus lived for thirty odd years, died, was buried, and then resurrected?

I tell ya, you guys are all over the map with scriptrue. This is the first time that I have heard anyone say the child in rev 12 is not Jesus. But I guess we shouldn't be surprized. So it took 2000 years for somebody to read this verse and get it right? CJ, you otta be able to start your own denomination on this one. I know where you can pick up collection baskets. Lot's of denominations started from the 18th century John Darby heresy called pre-trib rapture so I am sure we can add perhaps another 50 denominations to the protestant fold over this in about a 20 year period. :o

This one is hilarious- "where does it say that Israel brought forth Messiah?"
There is a Rolodex full of scriptures that come to mind, but the anti-Semite will never see it. Perhaps Matthew chapter 1 is no clue, or the words of Christ "salvation is of the Jews?"

Another knee slapper is the reference to "overcomers who will rule the nations with a rod of iron." This is pretty close to that "Manifested Sons of God/latter rain" heresy that has been floating around since the latter part of the 20th century.
Look what the scripture says

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

"He," not 'they.'
of this manchild, it is written

Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel. Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.

and

And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

This hearkens back to Isaiah's prophecy

Who [is] this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this [that is] glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save. Wherefore [art thou] red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat? I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people [there was] none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment. For the day of vengeance [is] in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come. And I looked, and [there was] none to help; and I wondered that [there was] none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.

The woman is clearly Israel, and the Man child Christ. By allegory, the woman is also Mary and the Church.

CJ struggles with understanding the full counsel of scriptures, and with manners, also. But occasionally he's good for a chuckle.

 

[cj]

This one is hilarious- "where does it say that Israel brought forth Messiah?"
There is a Rolodex full of scriptures that come to mind, but the anti-Semite will never see it. Perhaps Matthew chapter 1 is no clue, or the words of Christ "salvation is of the Jews?"

So oh well-educated one, why not present these scriptures to us.

As for your assinine anti-semite statement, my family background is Jewish.

You keep doing it OC, you must love the taste of your foot.

And concerning the words "salvation is of the Jews" only a scripturally ignorant person would attempt to say that it means the same thing as "brought forth".

But then hey, one is born every day.

Another knee slapper is the reference to "overcomers who will rule the nations with a rod of iron." This is pretty close to that "Manifested Sons of God/latter rain" heresy that has been floating around since the latter part of the 20th century.

Let's see,... in Revelation 2 we read,....

"But I say to you -- the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they say -- I put no other burden upon you; Nevertheless what you have hold fast until I come. And he who overcomes and he who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations;..... And he will shepherd them with an iron rod,........ as vessels of pottery are broken in pieces, as I also have received from My Father;"

OC, slap your knee all you want and make as many silly comparisons you wish, you are scripturally ignorant, as has been proven on many occasions on these boards.

And below, in your own words your ignorance will be further exposed.

Look what the scripture says

And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne.

"He," not 'they.'

Let our Lord's own words speak to expose your scriptural darkness...

"To the messenger of the church in Ephesus write:...."

We know that the church is made up of many members, yet, right after saying this our Lord says,... "I know your works and yourlabor and your cendurance and that you cannot bear evil men; and you have dtried those who call themselves eapostles and are not, and have found them to be false;"

Sounds like our Lord can see many as a singular.

And it goes on.....

"But this you have, that you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

"Do not fear the things that you are about to suffer."

And finally...... is it church, or is it churches?


Are you really so blinded by your offenses OC?

From your silly speaking I would have to say, yes you are.

But lets continue to expose your scriptural darkness....

The woman is clearly Israel, and the Man child Christ. By allegory, the woman is also Mary and the Church.

So Mary is now akin to Israel,.... OC's hole is getting deeper.

OC is unable to provide scripture that supports what he says, in both things. And so what does he do? He dances and hopes that no one will see that he has presented no scriptural support.


The fact is, the church did not come out of Mary, the church came out of Christ.

The church is in resurrection life, Mary was not in resurrection life. In fact, Mary required of herself, like all men, to be saved in resurrection life.

For OC to say that the church is brought forth out of Mary is for him to deny the all-inclusiveness of Christ.


And you know what else is funny to see,..... OC has no problem by allegory calling this woman Mary, but when someone suggests that this woman is the church, which we know is referred to in the feminine, that produces a man-child, which is seen as the overcomers that Christ spoke of at the beginning of the book of Revelation, OC turns up his Romanesque nose.

Ahh well, it comes with the territory of his beloved apostate institution.

CJ struggles with understanding the full counsel of scriptures, and with manners, also. But occasionally he's good for a chuckle.

Again,..... coming from one proven to know little about the truth, your opinion is meaningless.


In love,
cj

 

[thessalonian]

OC said:

This one is hilarious- "where does it say that Israel brought forth Messiah?"

Me: I have to agree OC. Anyone who cannot see that Mary a Jew who was part of Israel, whom God called out of Egypt for the sole purpose of bringing his son in to the world is definitely too far gone for a prescription. The whole Jewish history was about bringing forth the Messiah. Mary says "the Lord has done great things for me". We forget about that passage often but he did these things through Israel. Who could deny that he was preparing the way for the Messiah through HIS PEOPLE, to be born of the WOMAN (genesis 3:15, Rev 12). CJ

But OC, this s what I find to be really funny:

You said:

The woman is clearly Israel, and the Man child Christ. By allegory, the woman is also Mary and the Church.

Cj said:

OC has no problem by allegory calling this woman Mary, but when someone suggests that this woman is the church, which we know is referred to in the feminine, that produces a man-child, which is seen as the overcomers that Christ spoke of at the beginning of the book of Revelation, OC turns up his Romanesque nose.

:wink:

I see alot of flame in Cj's post. Yesterday he accused me of saying nothing. I would say that his bearing false witness is worse than saying nothing. Perhaps he should learn to read more and type less.

Blessings

 

[Orthodox Christian]

This one is hilarious- "where does it say that Israel brought forth Messiah?"
There is a Rolodex full of scriptures that come to mind, but the anti-Semite will never see it. Perhaps Matthew chapter 1 is no clue, or the words of Christ "salvation is of the Jews?"

So oh well-educated one, why not present these scriptures to us.

As for your assinine anti-semite statement, my family background is Jewish.

You keep doing it OC, you must love the taste of your foot.

Hitler was a half-Jew also. Your statements are oft anti-Semite, and you demonstrate a disdain for all things Semitic. Just calling a spade a shovel here, that's all.

And concerning the words "salvation is of the Jews" only a scripturally ignorant person would attempt to say that it means the same thing as "brought forth".

Ready to get /pwned again (I should say 'still')?
NASB

"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

That's John 4:22. NASB uses "from" because that is an accurate translation of the Greek word ek. Go ahead, cupcake, grab a lexicon and see if you can look it up. :

But then hey, one is born every day.

More fractured insults? PT Barnum said a sucker was born every minute.
/pwned again (still)

Another knee slapper is the reference to "overcomers who will rule the nations with a rod of iron." This is pretty close to that "Manifested Sons of God/latter rain" heresy that has been floating around since the latter part of the 20th century.

Let's see,... in Revelation 2 we read,....

"But I say to you -- the rest in Thyatira, as many as do not have this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they say -- I put no other burden upon you; Nevertheless what you have hold fast until I come. And he who overcomes and he who keeps My works until the end, to him I will give authority over the nations;..... And he will shepherd them with an iron rod,........ as vessels of pottery are broken in pieces, as I also have received from My Father;"

OC, slap your knee all you want and make as many silly comparisons you wish, you are scripturally ignorant, as has been proven on many occasions on these boards.

Note the timing of the dispensation of authority:
"he that keeps my works until the end."
The authority comes after Christ comes (parousia), not in our day, as you suggest. No, it is Christ who rules with a rod of iron

And below, in your own words your ignorance will be further exposed.

Look what the scripture says
[quote:5385d]And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and [to] his throne. "He," not 'they.'

Let our Lord's own words speak to expose your scriptural darkness...

"To the messenger of the church in Ephesus write:...."

We know that the church is made up of many members, yet, right after saying this our Lord says,... "I know your works and yourlabor and your cendurance and that you cannot bear evil men; and you have dtried those who call themselves eapostles and are not, and have found them to be false;"

Sounds like our Lord can see many as a singular.

And it goes on.....

"But this you have, that you hate the works of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate."

"Do not fear the things that you are about to suffer."

And finally...... is it church, or is it churches?


Are you really so blinded by your offenses OC?

From your silly speaking I would have to say, yes you are.

[/quote:5385d]
Last things first: 'you' is neither singular nor plural.
Secondly, let's review OC's earlier comments:

By allegory, the woman is also Mary and the Church.

Allegorical interpretation should not and cannot replace the obvious. It has its place, in a mystical or poetic sense. But the plain and obvious interpretation prevails.
The same is true for Isaiah 53, which Jews to this day says refers to them corporately. :wink:
I suppose that it does, allegorically, but it clearly refers to The One.

But lets continue to expose your scriptural darkness....

The woman is clearly Israel, and the Man child Christ. By allegory, the woman is also Mary and the Church.

So Mary is now akin to Israel,.... OC's hole is getting deeper.

No, numbnuts, Mary gave birth to Jesus.

OC is unable to provide scripture that supports what he says, in both things. And so what does he do? He dances and hopes that no one will see that he has presented no scriptural support.

Grandstanding again, Barney Fife?
Gives no scriptural support? pfft
I gave three scriptures to support one premise.
Where is the 'slap' key when it's needed?

The fact is, the church did not come out of Mary, the church came out of Christ.

The church is in resurrection life, Mary was not in resurrection life. In fact, Mary required of herself, like all men, to be saved in resurrection life.

For OC to say that the church is brought forth out of Mary is for him to deny the all-inclusiveness of Christ.

Let's call to mind what I said:

By allegory, the woman is also Mary and the Church.

Your remaining arguments are the ramblings of the dull-witted.

And you know what else is funny to see,..... OC has no problem by allegory calling this woman Mary, but when someone suggests that this woman is the church, which we know is referred to in the feminine, that produces a man-child, which is seen as the overcomers that Christ spoke of at the beginning of the book of Revelation, OC turns up his Romanesque nose.

Romanesque is a style of architecture.

Your problem is that you want to supplant straightforward interpretation with your allegorical musings. As I stated, allegory has its place: second place.

Ahh well, it comes with the territory of his beloved apostate institution.

CJ struggles with understanding the full counsel of scriptures, and with manners, also. But occasionally he's good for a chuckle.

Again,..... coming from one proven to know little about the truth, your opinion is meaningless.

More air claims. You've never done anything on this forum, other than, allegorically speaking, break my knuckles on your forehead. You've been owned six ways from Sunday, and still rise from the mat with swagger.
Good for you, Iron Mike.

In a fog,
cj

 

[cj]

I have to agree OC. Anyone who cannot see that Mary a Jew who was part of Israel, whom God called out of Egypt for the sole purpose of bringing his son in to the world is definitely too far gone for a prescription. The whole Jewish history was about bringing forth the Messiah. Mary says "the Lord has done great things for me". We forget about that passage often but he did these things through Israel. Who could deny that he was preparing the way for the Messiah through HIS PEOPLE, to be born of the WOMAN (genesis 3:15, Rev 12).

You can come up with all the frufy feel-good stories that you want to come up with,... in fact its expected from those who follow the ways of the apostate tradtion of falsehood.

But show me the scripture that supports what you are saying.

Fact is,.... you can't.

Oppps, there it goes..... down the drain.

I see alot of flame in Cj's post. Yesterday he accused me of saying nothing. I would say that his bearing false witness is worse than saying nothing. Perhaps he should learn to read more and type less.

You'd love that wouldn't you.

Tell you what,.... stop with the false doctrine on these boards and I'll type less.

Deal?


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

[quote="Orthodox Christian":53fda]This one is hilarious- "where does it say that Israel brought forth Messiah?"
There is a Rolodex full of scriptures that come to mind, but the anti-Semite will never see it. Perhaps Matthew chapter 1 is no clue, or the words of Christ "salvation is of the Jews?"

So oh well-educated one, why not present these scriptures to us.

As for your assinine anti-semite statement, my family background is Jewish.

You keep doing it OC, you must love the taste of your foot.

Hitler was a half-Jew also. Your statements are oft anti-Semite, and you demonstrate a disdain for all things Semitic. Just calling a spade a shovel here, that's all.[/quote:53fda]

So now you equate me to Hitler,........ oh Lord Jesus, come so as to end the pathetic state of men.

Anti-Semite huh, okay OC, so as not to be show to be a sorry liar once again, show me a few of my anti-Semite statements.

Yet, I know you can't, and thus know you are only a desperate religionist, grasping at whatever he can to cast a negative dye on the one who he believes is his enemy.

Poor OC, the enemy is within him and he knows it not.

Ready to get /pwned again (I should say 'still')?
NASB

"You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews.

That's John 4:22. NASB uses "from" because that is an accurate translation of the Greek word ek. Go ahead, cupcake, grab a lexicon and see if you can look it up.

So you are declaring that "from" is the same as "brought forth"?

And, oh darkened one....... Jesus continued with this "BUT"......

"But an hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truthfulness, for the Father also seeks such to worship Him."


Jesus was speaking to a Samaritan woman concerning the way of the OT relationship of God with men, and salvation was most certainly of the Jews, for the Jews were God's people on the earth, His very representatives. And thus God dealt with all men through His economy with the Jews.

But the Lord ended that economy.

Tell me oh religionite, was Melchisedec a Jew?

Is God a Jew?


You speak only ignorance OC.

Note the timing of the dispensation of authority:
"he that keeps my works until the end."
The authority comes after Christ comes (parousia), not in our day, as you suggest. No, it is Christ who rules with a rod of iron

I did not suggest that the authority would come before, oh sly one.

Anyway, this is getting long.

I'll deal with the rest of your slop later.

In love,
cj

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Speaking of "slop," here's a quote attributed to me by the flame messenger:

I see alot of flame in Cj's post. Yesterday he accused me of saying nothing. I would say that his bearing false witness is worse than saying nothing. Perhaps he should learn to read more and type less.

CJ attributes this post to me (it was actually Thessalonian, but maybe CJ has OC on the brain??),
then goes on to speak of my so-called "slop."

Curses, /pwned again.

So now you equate me to Hitler

Oh no, CJ, I was just expressing disdain for the 'Hitler institution of apostasy you serve.' Not calling you any names, no sir.

So you are declaring that "from" is the same as "brought forth"?

I declare that "from" equals "from." Perhaps this is, to you, lost in translation.

Tell me oh religionite, was Melchisedec a Jew?

Is God a Jew?

Well, Egoist, according to Christian Identity, Jesus was not really a Jew.

According to scripture, Christ was born of the tribe of Judah, Circumcized on the 8th day, and sits on the throne of David.

Anyway, this is getting long.

You're catching on. Hopefully one day you'll realize that very truth much earlier in the course of acting the Ishmael.

 

[thessalonian]

You can come up with all the frufy feel-good stories that you want to come up with,... in fact its expected from those who follow the ways of the apostate tradtion of falsehood.

You call God's saving plan of the Old Testament, bringing the birth of the Messiah to a woman, Mary, or perhaps you deny that also, a frufy feel-good story? What, do you just cary around a new testament. CJ, your flame doesn't bother me. In fact I consider it an advantage. People will read your posts and see the bitterness and disdain your harbor for us. I can see tongue in cheek humor in OC's posts, though I think he goes a bit over the edge at times. We all do. But to attribute your posts to Christian love is down right sad. I will pray for you. God bless you sir. I know the Lord loves you in spite of your hardness.

Blessings

 

[cj]

You call God's saving plan of the Old Testament, bringing the birth of the Messiah to a woman, Mary, or perhaps you deny that also, a frufy feel-good story?

No,.... I call the lies that the apostate institutions contrive in order to feed the flesh of me frufy feel-good stories.

So God brought the birth of the Messiah to a woman huh? Brought this birth to a woman..... Do you even hear the foolishness you speak?


Limited one, God created women, .... and their ability to have children.

And this is the same God who placed Himself as the Son into the wonb of one of the women He created.

At least, this is what the scriptures say.

What, do you just cary around a new testament.

Silly fellow.

CJ, your flame doesn't bother me.

Makes no difference to me. What bothers you in no way influences my speaking.

[In fact I consider it an advantage.

Which means you think you're in need of an advantage.

Which of course also means that you consider yourself at a disadvantage.

Which of course means that you don't trust Jesus to supply all that you need.

People who have Jesus have eternal life, and don't need "an advantage".

People will read your posts and see the bitterness and disdain your harbor for us.

People can read whatever they like into what I write, I have no control over this, nor do I want to.

They belong to Jesus,... dead or alive. Not me.

And I trust Jesus to bring all to the full knowledge of the truth, not me.

I can see tongue in cheek humor in OC's posts, though I think he goes a bit over the edge at times.

OC cannot control himself, he's already proved that in his own words, saying one thing and then doing another.

What OC attempts to pass for humor is simply a smoke-screen for his frustration. He is unable to present himself properly in scriptural understanding and this has left him empty.

OC's main problem is that I love him as a brother in Christ.

We all do. But to attribute your posts to Christian love is down right sad.

"Christian love",.... is this term in the scriptures?

Please, fill me in on the chapter and verse.

Or is it just another frufy feel-good story?


I tell you, all these terms and phrases, that have absolutely zero reality.


What is love Thessalonian? Do you even know?

I will pray for you.

Will you? Or are you simply saying this to present yourself in a certain way?

And what will you pray for, that your will or God's will be done?

God bless you sir.

And you.

[I know the Lord loves you in spite of your hardness.

And you, does He love you because you're good?

In love,
cj

 

[cj]

Speaking of "slop," here's a quote attributed to me by the flame messenger:

I see alot of flame in Cj's post. Yesterday he accused me of saying nothing. I would say that his bearing false witness is worse than saying nothing. Perhaps he should learn to read more and type less.

CJ attributes this post to me (it was actually Thessalonian, but maybe CJ has OC on the brain??),
then goes on to speak of my so-called "slop."

Curses, /pwned again.

Hey, whatever twinkles your star OC. When you're responding to numerous posts in a way that requires editing these things will happen.

Whatever man, still doesn't change the scriptural ignorance you speak.

Oh no, CJ, I was just expressing disdain for the 'Hitler institution of apostasy you serve.' Not calling you any names, no sir.

Hey, I was just clarifying what you said, don't go getting all defensive on me.

You can draw whatever comparisons you want, the source of your thoughts is still just the adversary of God and thus your speak remains just darkness expressed.

Speak all you want you're not harming me OC.

I declare that "from" equals "from." Perhaps this is, to you, lost in translation.

Not at all oh foolish one,..... we weren't comparing the word "from" with the word "from" now were we.

Nooooo,...... but old skippy OC skipped right around the issue.

Anyway, from your inability to say otherwise, we'll just agree that "from" does not mean "brought forth", and leave it at that.

Well, Egoist, according to Christian Identity, Jesus was not really a Jew.

If you can't beat them join them,.... okay.

"According to Christian identity....."

Tell me, what is this "Christian identity" thing you speak of?

According to scripture, Christ was born of the tribe of Judah, Circumcized on the 8th day, and sits on the throne of David.

Scripture says that Christ actually sits on David's throne? Really? I wonder then, what is the throne that He is coming back for? Or do you believe that David's throne is the same one God sits on in the heavens?

Your scriptural ignorance seems to worsen daily OC.


Christ is God, a title that I believe far exceeds that of King of the Jews.

Yet, Jesus is the King of the Jews. Just as He is your brother and He is my brother.

Now tell me, is Jesus your King in His capacity as King of the Jews, or is He your King according to an entirely different Kingdom?

You're catching on. Hopefully one day you'll realize that very truth much earlier in the course of acting the Ishmael.

"Acting the Ishmael..."

Well OC, God said "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated." Nothing on Ishmael.

But hey, at least, perhaps unlike you, I'm not "Playing the Devil."


In love,
cj

 

[thessalonian]

No,.... I call the lies that the apostate institutions contrive in order to feed the flesh of me frufy feel-good stories.

More empty rhetoric.

So God brought the birth of the Messiah to a woman huh? Brought this birth to a woman..... Do you even hear the foolishness you speak?


Limited one, God created women, .... and their ability to have children.

And this is the same God who placed Himself as the Son into the wonb of one of the women He created.

At least, this is what the scriptures say.

:crazyeyes: Did your parents just tell you about the birds and bees or what.

Silly fellow.

:-D

Makes no difference to me. What bothers you in no way influences my speaking.

Yes, i've noticed you shoot from the hip, disregarding prudence.

Which means you think you're in need of an advantage.

Which of course also means that you consider yourself at a disadvantage.

Which of course means that you don't trust Jesus to supply all that you need.

People who have Jesus have eternal life, and don't need "an advantage".

You remind me of the Cicilian on the "Princess Bride". Remember him? Your intellect is truly dizzying good man.

OC cannot control himself, he's already proved that in his own words, saying one thing and then doing another.

Hope you have a mirror handy as you type that.

What OC attempts to pass for humor is simply a smoke-screen for his frustration. He is unable to present himself properly in scriptural understanding and this has left him empty.

OC's main problem is that I love him as a brother in Christ.

I hope that is the case. I see little evidence of it in reading the exchanges between you.

"Christian love",.... is this term in the scriptures?

Please, fill me in on the chapter and verse.

Or is it just another frufy feel-good story?

Yes, I know, love is not a part of scripture. Faith is the greatest of virtues. Wait Paul says differently. He must be wrong.

I tell you, all these terms and phrases, that have absolutely zero reality.


What is love Thessalonian? Do you even know?

I am sure I cannot convince you I do.

I will pray for you.

Will you? Or are you simply saying this to present yourself in a certain way?

And what will you pray for, that your will or God's will be done?

I already have. God wills that all men be saved and COME TO A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH. I am okay with his will on this one.

And you, does He love you because you're good?

He loves me. That I am certain of. In response I love him by trying to do good and avoid evil, knowing that he gives me the grace to do so.

 

[Heidi]

Her immaculate foot...

... talking of fraud, I wonder if the RCC is going to admit that they mistranslated Genesis 3:15 in the Douay Rheims..... which spawned another set of pictures and man-made doctrines about Mary.

I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heal Genesis 3:15 Douay Rheims

Based on that mistranslation, many statues and paintings of Mary show her crushing a serpent under her foot - a graphic representation of her so-called role of co-redeemer. The imagery even found its way into the "infallible" pope's "Ineffabilis Deus" (Pope Pius IX)

[quote:75564]Hence, just as Christ, the Mediator between God and man, assumed human nature, blotted the handwriting of the decree that stood against us, and fastened it truimphantly to the cross, so the most holy Virgin, united with him by a most intimate and indissoluble bond, was, with him and through him, eternally at enmity with the evil serpent, and most completely truimphed over him, and thus crushed his head with her immaculate foot.

Based on the faulty translation of Genesis 3:15 from the Latin texts of the Vulgate Bible, the English Douay Rheims Bible carried this error. Newer Roman Catholic translations (such as the NAB) have corrected this error in the translations but the theological errors remain in the co-redeemer dogma, paintings and prayers.

:-?

Source: The Gospel According to Rome - James McCarthy[/quote:75564]

Man, have the catholics gone out in left field with deceptions and idol-worship! I just read in their catechism that they believe that Mary was born sinless! They admit she was born of two sinful humans but somehow was born sinless. Now how this happened is anybody's guess because Mary was not conceived byt the Holy Spirit. Even Jesus had to go into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights to overcome temptation!!!!!

But nevertheless, many people who worship human beings like the pope will believe anything he says no matter how much it contradicts God's word. The followers of David Koresch and Jim Jones did the same thing and look where that got them. :

 

[thessalonian]

Man, have the catholics gone out in left field with deceptions and idol-worship! I just read in their catechism that they believe that Mary was born sinless! They admit she was born of two sinful humans but somehow was born sinless. Now how this happened is anybody's guess because Mary was not conceived byt the Holy Spirit. Even Jesus had to go into the wilderness for 40 days and 40 nights to overcome temptation!!!!!

Can I recommend a book on logic.
How does sinless equal diety? Granted God is sinless, but Adam and Eve were sinless in the garden and were not God. The angels are sinless and they are not God. We will be sinless in heaven and we won't be God either. How can it happen that Mary could have been born sinless? Well the first interesting question is do you believe in Original Sin? If not then, all babies are born sinless and so you would believe that all are immaculately concieved. But in answer to your question, how can this happen, can God make and axe float or a man walk on water? Can he feed 500 with a few loaves and fish? Can he heal the lame and give sight to the Blind? God cannot cleanse sin? God cannot prevent the nature of a human from being sinful? He did it with Adam and Eve before they sinned.
Why do you feel the need to limit the power of God and his grace?

But nevertheless, many people who worship human beings like the pope will believe anything he says no matter how much it contradicts God's word. The followers of David Koresch and Jim Jones did the same thing and look where that got them. :

Worship the Pope? He's just a man and I don't know anyone who worships him. Are those who follow orders of military generals worshipping them? Were those following Moses accross the desert worshipping him? How did those fare who followed Moses, vs. those who followed Korah and Dathan and the other self appointed leaders of the Old Testament. Martin Luther was a self appointed leader in the New Testament and your roots are in him.

Blessings

 

[Lewis]

Worship the Pope? He's just a man and I don't know anyone who worships him.

Man there are many, many, many, many people that worship the pope, Thess are you kidding me ? You should know better man, a lot of Catholics think that the pope is a supreme being. Look at how they worshiped pope John Paul.