Her immaculate foot

[cj]

Is there some sort of online application to be one of OC's "cronies"? Or am I considered one by default because I tend to agree with him?

Actually you weren't even a consideration in my thought.

But feel free to insert yourself wherever you feel you belong.

By the way, cj... OC and Thess are on a ROLL not a ROLE. Your posts look even more ignorant when you make mistakes like that with simple English grammar.

Then don't read them.

I would say it is a really silly man who reads what he believes to be ignorant writing.

But again, feel free to insert yourself into your feel-good position.

As for ROLE or ROLL, thanks for the correction.

There, I acknowledged you,.... feel better now that you've be recognized?


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

CJ, baptized in pickle juice, they've x-rayed and cat scanned and cannot find a funny bone in your body.

The above wasn't meant to be funny oh desperate one.

I'm afraid your words exposed you again.

"OWNED"....... its you all over.

Look at this vicious, hate-filled image:.......... I'm sure building my ego by representing myself as the larger of two babies, now aren't I?

Hey, you can attempt to play it off in whatever way you think will work, but I'm not sure many will buy it, your words are to well known around these parts.

ROFL
Lighten up, Darth Vader.

You're just embarrased OC.

I can't say that I've ever seen a dog bark at a plane, but I've seen them attack legs, as you are inclined to do.

Whatever man,...... you worship and serve an anti-Christ apostate institution. And kiss pictures.

Now set back a moment and consider how ironic it is for you to complian about the comportment of anyone on this board- after all, you constantly correct and harangue others.

Do I really.

Hmmm.

Tell you what, stick to scriptures alone and lets see what I talk about.

Further- anyone who brags of his 6'4" height on this board- as you did- or his ability to prevail in a fight, as you have- seems somewhat less than credible when downing religious traditions whose churches are physically imposing structures.

So you think I see myself as a phallic symbol huh.

OC, 6'4", 4'6",.... it matters not, you still worship and serve an institution that is against the truth. And kiss pictures.

And as for my ability to prevail in a fight, based on the environments that I have lived in and experience I've been through, as Martha would say, "Its a good thing."

But really, I have no need of justifying anything to you.

You are simply desperate to find anything youcan to discredit me, and will stoop even to glaring distortions of what another said. But they say an apple does not fall far from its father, or is that tree.

Yet, let me expose,.... again,.... how your corrupt mind works, oh desperate twister of words.

See, both you and I know what the context of my speaking was, and the fact that you have deliberately misrepresented the context is just further proof of your sick condition and thus darkened motive.

You're a deceiver OC, and your words above have proved it once more.

But this is to be expected as the issue of wickedness, since wickedness begets only more wickedness.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

The bible says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood, skeptics be damned.

No OC, the bible says no such thing.

Again you lie.



In love,
cj

 

[cj]

The bible says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood, skeptics be damned.

No OC, the bible says no such thing.

Again you lie.



In love,
cj

 

[Lyric's Dad]

Okay, the personal attacks are getting out of hand. They need to cease immediately or this topic will be locked and people are going to be receiving warnings. If discussion as Christians is not possible then please refrain from discussing at all.

Thank you.

 

[Heidi]

I ALWAYS know from whence I speak and don't need you or anyone else telling me how to do it or in what manner to do it. No one bears false witness against another organization or religion if they tell the truth about what they're about.

You don't this time and your making a fool of yourself. The issue was not about doctrine. You disagree with our doctrine. Nothing new. But Lewis made a verifiably incorrect statement about the naming of Catholic Churches. He was called on it and graciously admitted to his error. You however are so virently anti-Catholic that you can't even see through the smoke coming out your ears. That's too bad.

[quote:ca2ab]I think most of us know the facade that Catholicism hides under without having to misrepresent it in any way. the Internet is full of websites on the errors of the RCC as there are hundreds of books and pamplets on this false religious system. Oddly enough, there's more about this apostate religion than any other five combined. That should tell you something. Then again....

The internet is so full of errors about Catholicsm. What it proves is the great hatred for Christ's Church. The great hatred for truth. The hatred for authority and the desire of men to be their own supreme authority, claiming individually to know best what scripture means. Rebellion is not an uncommon problem with mankind and Protestantism feeds the pride that generates it. There is no submission to anything with this system. That Protestants can't see that they misrepresent it to the point of biggotry and essentially claim that the Catholics don't know what they are talking about when the point out the contradictions is the height of arrogance and denial.

Bless you though D46[/quote:ca2ab]

Sorry, but we don't need the internet to see pictures of the pope kissing a statue of Mary or to read the catholic catechism. The catholics are very proud of giving people the credit for God's work.

 

[thessalonian]

Sorry, but we don't need the internet to see pictures of the pope kissing a statue of Mary or to read the catholic catechism. The catholics are very proud of giving people the credit for God's work.

God works in and through people, producing thirty, sixty, or 100 fold. That is what you don't get. It gives HIM glory to recognize how he works in others and in ourselves. Once again you judge Catholics. Once again you claim the ability of God to judge the hearts of men.

blessings

 

[Orthodox Christian]

Here is a Marquis

Ah, you did find the error I purposely put in.

Yes, and now I've found this untruth that you've intentionally 'put in,' also.

Great! I figured someone would, and; I'm glad I've been corrected by one most holy and high. That should put another bell on the hem of your garmet.

Ah pshaw- 'most holy and high'- you must have read my bio.

How many of there are you under that veil?

Just because you happen to believe that the Catholic way is not the Apostles way does not make it so.

Oh, yes it does. The Apostles didn't teach what Catholicism teaches.

A powerful rebuttal: "Oh, yes it does."
Too lame to bother with.

Are you accustomed to speaking for Lewis?

I will now and then if I deem it necessary. Hope you don't have too big of a problem with that because it doesn't matter.

Was that dangling participle left in there purposefully also?

You need to know what you are talking about before you speak. Read my last 5 posts and you'll have it. Apparently you trivialize bearing false witness. Apparently to you it is okay to bear false witness against someone or some organization if they are Catholic.

I ALWAYS know from whence I speak and don't need you or anyone else telling me how to do it or in what manner to do it

With that attitude, your dad is never going to let you have the keys to the car.

No one bears false witness against another organization or religion if they tell the truth about what they're about.

Wow, there's a keen sense of the obvious: "No one lies if they're telling the truth."
I'll need to meditate on this.

I think most of us know the facade that Catholicism hides under without having to misrepresent it in any way. the Internet is full of websites on the errors of the RCC as there are hundreds of books and pamplets on this false religious system.

There are plenty of websites devoted to slandering God and Christianity. Their arguments and yours have many parallels. Go ahead, ask me for proof.

Oddly enough, there's more about this apostate religion than any other five combined. That should tell you something. Then again....

It "tells me" several things:
1. It's easier pointing at the faults of others than it is to proclaim truth
2. There are a lot of borderline insane people with a lot of time on their hands who call themself "Christian."
3. It's a strange thing that two tough guys meet in a public place to fight over a purse.

 

[Orthodox Christian]

The bible says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood, skeptics be damned.

No OC, the bible says no such thing.

Again you lie.



In love,
cj

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

How strange: I read the gospel literally, and the one who allegorizes the very same gospel tells me not that I've misinterpreted the gospel, but that I'm a liar.

 

[thessalonian]

D46,

How do you like Paul quoting pagan sages. "In him we live and move and have our being" for instance. The Christmass and Easter holidays are nothing about paganism, regardless of what Pagans celebrated on those days. This is extremism. We have transformed those days in to reflections on the one true God, just as Paul used the altar to the Unknown God in Acts 17 to cause the pagan Athenians in the Areopogus to reflect on the one true God. God's laws are implanted on men's hearts such that men who are not Christian still have a desire to seek for him by his grace. This desire is manifest in their lives and practices. These practices can be transformed through Christianity in to worshipping the one true God, once again as Paul did. I hate to tell you but the Protestants I've known celebrate them as much as Catholics.

 

[thessalonian]

D46,

How do you like Paul quoting pagan sages. "In him we live and move and have our being" for instance. The Christmass and Easter holidays are nothing about paganism, regardless of what Pagans celebrated on those days. This is extremism. We have transformed those days in to reflections on the one true God, just as Paul used the altar to the Unknown God in Acts 17 to cause the pagan Athenians in the Areopogus to reflect on the one true God. God's laws are implanted on men's hearts such that men who are not Christian still have a desire to seek for him by his grace. This desire is manifest in their lives and practices. These practices can be transformed through Christianity in to worshipping the one true God, once again as Paul did. Once you understand this you will understand how Catholicism converted the world to Christianity, by the likes of St. Francis Xavier who converted nearly one million people to Christ by simply learning their culture and helping them relate to Christ through it. I hate to tell you but the Protestants I've known celebrate them as much as Catholics.

 

[Lewis]

The Christmass and Easter holidays are nothing about paganism, regardless of what Pagans celebrated on those days. This is extremism. We have transformed those days in to reflections on the one true God,

Thess my brother, Christmas and Easter has pagan orgins.

JER 10:3 For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
JER 10:4 They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
JER 10:5 They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.

Now the Catholics decided to let some pagan people join the catholic church and they would only do so if they could keep some of their customs, and they would have a thing called Christ-Mass. And trees were used, but the worshiping decorating these trees goes way back to Babylon
as did Easter starting with Astorath and her son Tammuz. I am trying to do this from memory so bear with me here. But I am going refresh my memory on theses subjects today.

 

[cj]

How do you like Paul quoting pagan sages. "In him we live and move and have our being" for instance. The Christmass and Easter holidays are nothing about paganism, regardless of what Pagans celebrated on those days. This is extremism. We have transformed those days in to reflections on the one true God, just as Paul used the altar to the Unknown God in Acts 17 to cause the pagan Athenians in the Areopogus to reflect on the one true God.

Well, actually its not extremism. But what is extremeism is the religiousity that has been introduced throught these wicked traditions.

Plaese note that although Paul used this unknown god as an introduction to his preaching the gospel, Paul did not make anything out of this unknown god. Unfortunately the same cannot be said of the apostate institutions false doctrines concerning these unscriptural traditions.

God's laws are implanted on men's hearts such that men who are not Christian still have a desire to seek for him by his grace.

This is absolutely not true, for scripture unsaved men have no desire to seek God.

Men may have a desire to do good, while also having some awareness that there is a God of creation, for all creation declares God, but the heart of fallen man is absolutely corrupt.

This desire is manifest in their lives and practices. These practices can be transformed through Christianity in to worshipping the one true God, once again as Paul did. Once you understand this you will understand how Catholicism converted the world to Christianity, by the likes of St. Francis Xavier who converted nearly one million people to Christ by simply learning their culture and helping them relate to Christ through it. I hate to tell you but the Protestants I've known celebrate them as much as Catholics.

This is as deep a lie of satan as any every spoken.

What you are saying is that God takes good men and makes them better. This is Satan's counterfeit lie.

What scriptures declare is that there is nothing good in men and thus all men must die.

What God has done is given hope that that which was dead can be renewed.



Tell me, does scripture ever speak about a church in Athens?


In love,
cj

 

[thessalonian]

God's laws are implanted on men's hearts such that men who are not Christian still have a desire to seek for him by his grace.

This is absolutely not true, for scripture unsaved men have no desire to seek God.

Let me post it again.
Acts 17
26: And he made from one every nation of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation,
27: that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him. Yet he is not far from each one of us,

I'll go with the Bible on this one. Do you say Cornelius was saved or unsaved before his conversion? If unsaved you have a problem. If saved you have a different problem that will not reconcile with what I am sure is your theology.

Men may have a desire to do good, while also having some awareness that there is a God of creation, for all creation declares God, but the heart of fallen man is absolutely corrupt.

Well then they wouldn't have any desire at all to do good.

This desire is manifest in their lives and practices. These practices can be transformed through Christianity in to worshipping the one true God, once again as Paul did. Once you understand this you will understand how Catholicism converted the world to Christianity, by the likes of St. Francis Xavier who converted nearly one million people to Christ by simply learning their culture and helping them relate to Christ through it. I hate to tell you but the Protestants I've known celebrate them as much as Catholics.

This is as deep a lie of satan as any every spoken.

What you are saying is that God takes good men and makes them better. This is Satan's counterfeit lie.[quote:173c4]

It's not my fault you can't understand what I am saying. I am not saying that these men are saved. I have never said they are good, for their practices are in fact corrupt. What I have said is that in these practices there is a manifestation of the laws that God has implanted on their hearts. I don't see how you can dispute that from Romans 2:14-16.

[quote:173c4]What scriptures declare is that there is nothing good in men and thus all men must die.

All men sin. This is a different issue from whether there are things in their lives that point to God. All creation points toward God, even corrupt men. Their errors and what they hold that is true points to God. The errors in a negative contrarian sense.

Tell me, does scripture ever speak about a church in Athens?


In love,
cj

[/quote:173c4][/quote:173c4]

I see no point in your question. Do you think that because the Bible doesn't mention a Church in Athens there were never any converts there? Acts 17 is Paul's first attempt to evangelize there and it apparently was not real successful. Once again I didn't say these people were saved by a long shot.

Blessings

 

[cj]

God's laws are implanted on men's hearts such that men who are not Christian still have a desire to seek for him by his grace.

This is absolutely not true, for scripture unsaved men have no desire to seek God.

Let me post it again.
Acts 17
26: And he made from one every nation of men to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their habitation,
27: that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him. Yet he is not far from each one of us,....

See, the scripture above does not support what you said in the post I responded to.

What you said was, "God's laws are implanted on men's hearts..... such that men who are not Christian...... still....... have a desire to seek for him by his grace.[/quote]

The verse above says ".... that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel after him and find him..."

This verse is in context to what was said in the verse before it, ".... determining beforehand their appointed seasons and the boundaries of their dwelling,....... That they might seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, even though He is not far from each one of us;"

Additionally, it is directly connect with what is said in Acts 15: 15-18,

"And with this the words of the prophets agree, even as it is written, "After these things I will return, and I will rebuild the tabernacle of David which has fallen; and I will rebuild its ruins and erect it again,...... so that the remainder of men may seek out the Lord, even all the Gentiles upon whom My name has been called,..... says the Lord, who is making these things known from of old.''"

I'll go with the Bible on this one.

I wish you would.

But what you're saying is that you will go with a false interpretation and not the truthy.

Do you say Cornelius was saved or unsaved before his conversion? If unsaved you have a problem. If saved you have a different problem that will not reconcile with what I am sure is your theology.

The foreknowledge of God is a wonderful thing.

Well then they wouldn't have any desire at all to do good.

The tree is called good and evil for a reason.

Its not what you do, but what you do it out of.

It's not my fault you can't understand what I am saying. I am not saying that these men are saved. I have never said they are good, for their practices are in fact corrupt. What I have said is that in these practices there is a manifestation of the laws that God has implanted on their hearts. I don't see how you can dispute that from Romans 2:14-16.

I'm not.

Romans 2:14-16 tells us that the nature of man, as created by God, was originally good and corresponded with God and with His law. Although it was poisoned by the fall, this good nature remains within man. Hence, if anyone lives according to his nature and does by his nature the things of the law, the evil in him will be restricted.

But there are many other scriptures that tell us that man is no match for the adversary of God.

What you said above about transforming men through Christianity is not proper.

A man believes and is then regenerated unto transformation and conformation, not is transformed and conformed unto believing.

Don't worry, I fully understand what you were saying, and absolutely reject it.

All men sin. This is a different issue from whether there are things in their lives that point to God. All creation points toward God, even corrupt men. Their errors and what they hold that is true points to God. The errors in a negative contrarian sense.

Being pointed towards God is not the goal, being brought into God is.

The Jews have been pointed towards God for thousands of years, yet it will take a desperate situation to get them to believe that God is who He says He is.

When God reveals Himself a man sees what he has never seen before, in himself and in God.

Tell me, does scripture ever speak about a church in Athens?


In love,
cj

I see no point in your question. Do you think that because the Bible doesn't mention a Church in Athens there were never any converts there?[/quote]

Not at all, one just need read scripture to find out that there were converts.

But that's not why I asked my question.

Acts 17 is Paul's first attempt to evangelize there and it apparently was not real successful. Once again I didn't say these people were saved by a long shot.

No, but you were using what Paul did to justify the use of Pagan holidays for Christian purposes.

Don't get off track now.

The truth is, the has grossly influenced the way how Christians conduct themselves on these dasy and not the other way around.


The proof is seen in the fruit.


Satan does not need to stop a man from being saved, he is quite happy to have a saved man remain immature and fallen back on his old ways.

Christmas and Easter and all these other so-called Christian days are only tools for the hindering of God's work regarding the building of the body of Christ.


In love,
cj

 

[thessalonian]

Your having trouble seeing the forest through the trees CJ. Every single society has some version of the golden rule. This is a manifestation of the law God has implanted on all men's hearts. It is of course corrupted by their corrupt natures but the remants of it can be seen. I have not once said they are saved by this but it is why when presented with the law men can be convinced to turn toward the Gospel.

It's not really the scriptures that you want me to follow CJ, it's you. You will never be satisfied until I agree with you. CJ infallibility it's called. It's what I've seen from you on this board. You do not understand what I am saying and you are incapable of understanding until God changes your prescription.

The holidays are not pagan CJ. Celebrating Christ's birth is not pagan. Celebrating his resurrection and reflecting on it through scripture and worship is not pagan. This is total nonsense, but it is the kind of stuff that wacko, off the deep end, infallible fundies like you come up with. Your shooting from the hip CJ. The Bible in the hands of a prideful man is a dangerous weapon, meant to lead men down the path of error for base gain. Very sad.

Blessings though

 

[cj]

Your having trouble seeing the forest through the trees CJ.

No, I don't think so.

Every single society has some version of the golden rule.

If we use the proper word by replacing "society" with "culture" we'll get a more clear view of the reality of your statement above.

"Every single culture produces its own version of the golden rule.

And hereing we find the evidence against what you are trying to present.

This is a manifestation of the law God has implanted on all men's hearts. It is of course corrupted by their corrupt natures but the remants of it can be seen. I have not once said they are saved by this but it is why when presented with the law men can be convinced to turn toward the Gospel.

You defeat your own point with your speaking Thessalonian.

Scripture declares that leavened flour is good for nothing.

God is not accomplishing the redemption of men by using something of the leavened nature of men, God is accomplishing redemption by putting to death a man's corrupted nature and replacing it with His own nature.

The old Adam is put to death by God, and God alone.

You want to tell us that a man chooses out of his fallen nature, a nature that by the very fact of its fallenness is against God, to seek Him.

This scripture tells us is not true.

Thessalonian, scripture tells us that there was not one righteous man;

Psalm 14 : 2 - 3, "Jehovah looked down from heaven Upon the sons of men To see if there was anyone who had insight, Who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They are together perverse..... There is none who does good; There is not even one."

Romans 3 : 9-20, "What then? Are we better? Not at all! For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin, even as it is written, "There is none righteous, not even one;..... There is none who understands, there is none who seeks out God.

All have turned aside; together they have become useless; there is none who does good; there is not so much as one. Their throat is an opened grave; with their tongues they practiced deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips; Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness. Swift are their feet to shed blood, destruction and misery are in their ways, and the way of peace they have not known.

There is no fear of God before their eyes.

Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped and all the world may fall under the judgment of God; Because out of the works of the law no flesh shall be justified before Him; for through the law is the clear knowledge of sin."

What is there about the absoluteness of the meaning of the word "NONE" that you don't understand?

It's not really the scriptures that you want me to follow CJ, it's you.

Yadaa, yadaa, yaddaa,...... Do you realize how silly a statement like this is?

Do you really think that I want you to come to follow me by posting responses on an internet forum board? Are you soblind as to think that I am that naive?

Really Thessalonian, scripture says that each man is to give an account of themself, and I fully believe this.

No Thessalonian, I don't want you to follow any man, only the Spirit that is in your regenerated spirit.

You will never be satisfied until I agree with you.

Actually, I'll never be satisfied until Jesus returns. But this lack of satisfaction has nothing to do with you.

CJ infallibility it's called. It's what I've seen from you on this board. You do not understand what I am saying and you are incapable of understanding until God changes your prescription.

No Thessalonian, its not that I don't understand what you're saying, its that I very much understand what you are saying. But what you are failing to understand is the error in it.

In a nutshell, what you are presenting is the argument that a man, given what this man is in his unsaved yet God-created nature, is capable of coming to God as a issue of the gospel being preached to him over time.

Or in other words, a man, having as his base a God-created nature, can by this God-created nature and the words of the preached gospel, reason within himself to seek God.


Believe me Thessalonian, I fully understand what you are trying to say.

But its still only a wicked lie from the depths of hell.

God wants nothing of our corrupted nature coming forward into His new creation, punto finale.

Nothing,.... nade,...... none.

God replaces our old fallen nature with His nature, this is what it means to be born-again; born of God and not of fallen man, having God's life and God's nature.

A saved, born-again person has become a God-man, just like Jesus; a man born of the Spirit of God.

Are you not born of God Thessalonian? If so, what does this make you, a human? Can a human be born of that which is divine?

Are you not Jesus' brother? Do you not believe Jesus' speaking by which He declared you His brother?

Or do you think He meant it in a supportive way, like a kind of club thing?

Thessalonian, Jesus called us brothers because being born of God we have the same Father. Scripture tells us this.

And if we are born of God, what use is the old human nature to us?

The holidays are not pagan CJ.

No Thessalonian, these holidays are absolutely Pagan. And I'll tell you why.

Where are believers seated today Thessalonian?

Let scripture tells us,...... Ephesians 2:6, "And raised us up together with Him and seated us together with Him in the heavenlies in Christ Jesus,"

So, do you think these holidays are celebrated in the heavenlies?

Do you think that God celebrates the death of His beloved Son every 365 days? Do you think the Father celebrates the beating, and mocking, and whipping of His beloved Son once a year? Do you think that the Father re-enacts His turning away from His beloved Son once a year?

Or do you think in the heavenlies they just celebrate the "good" stuff, like God having to become a lowly man, born of a created fallen being into a corrupt and wicked environment void of His righteousness and holyness, needing to endure the mockery and abuse of the sons of Satan for thirty-odd years, all while living every day of His life under the shadow of the cross and all the terrible pain and suffering that it would bring.

For a man to think this is the highest wickedness you could conceive against a God of life. A God who declares to us that He will remove every memory of suffering there ever was.

And yet, you believe it is right to "celebrate" suffering.

This is a putrid stench in the nostrils of God, perpetrated on Him by self-righteous, uncaring, and wicked men. Both saved and unsaved.



All that the Lord gave us was the table meal, the fellowship of the bread and the wine. Yet even this the apostate institutions have coruppted with their false doctrines and traditions.

Celebrating Christ's birth is not pagan.

Thing is, how can you really celebrate the birth of One who came to suffer and die?

Tell me, if you had the opportunity to have a son knowing before this son was born that he would need to step down from His throne in the heavens and enter into a lower form of living, be dispised and hated, persecuted and mocked, and eventually, at a young age, be murdered in the most painful and terrible way every devised, having all the sin of man laid on His perfectly righteous shoulders, and as a result of this become seperated from His Father, whom He had never been seperated from, and then enter into the execution of the judgement of the sin that was not His, which execution is death,.......... tell me, would you really "celebrate" the birth of a son that you knowing that this would be the result?

No, of course not.


Thessalonian, look closely at what and why there was celebration at the birth of Jesus,.... its not that they celebrated His birth, but that they celebrated what His brith meant,..... the end of the old creation and the bringing in of the new creation. This is what the Father celebrates, that the old is gone and the new is here.

And how best can a saved man join in with this heavenly celebration?

By living in it every moment of every day.

This is what it means to be a Christian. One who's living and being is the climax, the highest point of celebration ever attained, for eternity.

A Christian living in God and by God is God's expressed celebration of His beloved Son.

What more celebration could God want than to see His beloved Son living in and through millions and millions of saved men?


These holidays are nothing in God's sight; a believer, living out Christ is everything in God's sight.

Celebrating his resurrection and reflecting on it through scripture and worship is not pagan.

Absolutely not, I agree. But neither was eating,...... until that is, Adam ate in disobedience.

Thessalonian,.... I have never said that celebrating Christ is wrong, what I have said is that the motive behind these celebrated holidays has as its source pagan corruption.

A Christian's celebration of Christ needs to come out of God, and not out of fallen men.

This is total nonsense, but it is the kind of stuff that wacko, off the deep end, infallible fundies like you come up with.

Whatever, I don't go around wearing a fish-hat, or worshipping a man who does. I don't kill people in the name of a religion that deceiptfully uses the name of Jesus. I don't declare myself to be the ruler of millions of men, or try to manipulate the governments that are over nations. I don't live in multi-million dollar mansions filled with stolen gold. I don't develop false doctrines and add to the word of God.

But most importantly,..... I know I'm saved because Jesus loved me and gave His life for me, that He has risen and ascended, is seated on the throne, and has come back as the Spirit to live in my regenerated spirit.

And because of this, knowing that I am saved as a result of what He desired and has accomplished, what you have to say about me means absolutely nothing.


Isn't it wonderful to be found in the Lord.

Your shooting from the hip CJ. The Bible in the hands of a prideful man is a dangerous weapon, meant to lead men down the path of error for base gain. Very sad.

Funny,........ for you to end saying the above,........ cause nothing that you have said is even slightly related to what is in the bible.


And this is your delusion,.... for you believe that what you have jsut said is actually either in the bible or supported by what is in the bible.


Think about it for a moment......... You telling me above that I misuse the content of the bible must mean, for you not to be calling yourself a hypocrite, that you believe you use the content of the bible properly.

Yet, nothing of what you have presented in this discussion has any biblical foundation.



On the other hand,... what I have said does.


Kinda makes you wonder about just which one of us is really "very sad".


In love,
cj

 

[thessalonian]

CJ,

You twist and distort what I say (to your own destruction I might add) and then tell me I'm wrong. Why do you do this. Does it make you feel good about your Biblical proess? I never claimed that these things made men righteous. I only claimed exactly what the Bible claims. That God's laws are written on men's hearts.

Romans 2
14: When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
15: They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them
16: on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.


All men know right from wrong because it is written on their hearts. They of course corrupt and deny it, but it is still there and that is why they can be presented with the law and it will convict them. Then the salvation of Jesus Christ can be offered to them. Much more I could say on this but you will distort it as well so I won't waste my time.

 

[cj]

[quote="Orthodox Christian":ac9cd]The bible says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood, skeptics be damned.

No OC, the bible says no such thing.

Again you lie.



In love,
cj

And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed [it], and brake [it], and gave [it] to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

How strange: I read the gospel literally, and the one who allegorizes the very same gospel tells me not that I've misinterpreted the gospel, but that I'm a liar.[/quote:ac9cd]

Show me the word Eucharist and all the so-called doctrines that the apostate institutions have joined to this word, in scripture and I will say that your speaking is true.

Until you do, I hold that to declare "The bible says the Eucharist is the Body and Blood, skeptics be damned." is a lie.



See OC, I'm fully aware of what the bible says regarding the body and blood of our Lord, but I am just as fully aware of the gross doctrine that has come out of fallen men and become associated with what the bible says about this matter.

If you leave this matter at what the bible says and not add to it then we will be on the ground of oneness. But when you add to it, such as declaring that the bible says.... "the Eucharist" (which includes all that man has connected to this word)..... is the body and blood of Jesus, then you turn a truth into a lie.

Orthodox, I absolutely receive you in Christ and the Christ in you, but the rest be damned according to God's will and carried out intention as declared in the bible. This is the same principle God uses for all things; what contains Christ is received, what doesn't is damned.

Likewise, just apply this principle to any teaching of the body and blood of Christ.

This is the orthodox way.

See, in reality there is no upper case "O" in the word orthodox, for there is only one Name a believer holds to.


I say it again, I fully believe that I am more orthodox in my christian belief than you.


In love,
cj

 

[cj]

God's laws are implanted on men's hearts such that men who are not Christian still have a desire to seek for him by his grace. This desire is manifest in their lives and practices. These practices can be transformed through Christianity in to worshipping the one true God, once again as Paul did. I hate to tell you but the Protestants I've known celebrate them as much as Catholics.

See Thessalonian, my response was to what you wrote in your above speaking, and your above speaking is not scriptural.

I have not distorted anything, the fact is, "good" according to the natural can be expressed by men who have no desire to seek God.

And this natural "good" in fallen men is good for nothing else but death. This is what the bible says.

If "good" is only good to be put to death, then what good is it?

No, God does not use the old nature in His transforming work; to say this is a lie. God makes all things new in His work. He starts with Christ and ends with Christ.

And as I've shown you in the verse from Acts that you referred to as confirming what you said about what Paul did,.... you are in error, as scripture tells us something different to what you say.


In love,
cj